Careem, Uber Declared Illegal by Punjab Government
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You just wont quit it, will you? So according to your theory of business and commerce, the government should first ban daraz.pk, call it illegal, order the officials to make a crack down and later (hopefully) impose a tax on it? Thats how Keynesians tell you to impose taxes to encourage new business ventures? Thats the biggest load of bullshit ive ever read in my entire academic career! Your whole argument is so out of it and so are you, yourself. The ban is wrong, its gunda gardi and badmashi, whether you accept it or not.
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You just don't understand how things works you just don't.
P.S Stop chasing me in this thread and quit getting personnel. Take it as a polite warning.
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@ above, i am only trying to understand YOUR flawed concept of commerce, economics, new business models, entrepreneurship and all that jazz you seem to have a mastery of. Seems like you cant defend one single thing you type yet are constantly repeating yourself like a parrot. Lets break it down :
1) The ban has nothing to do with imposing a TAX, read the letter again with open eyes, 2) the companies have been provided with legal permits to operate, 3) even then, the Bans are not a prerequisite for imposing new taxes, 4) rest of the humanity does not have secret info that Mr Dar personally gave you about the taxes and 5) Not everyone is a PTI supporter but that point is just for the lol factor and im sure you understand that one atleast!
You just seem blatantly incapable of understanding these 4 basic points about this issue. No one is for or against the Tax but this issue is just not about it! If you don't want people to reply to you, delete your account from this website or quit posting instead of resorting to cheap 'threats'.
1) The ban has nothing to do with imposing a TAX, read the letter again with open eyes, 2) the companies have been provided with legal permits to operate, 3) even then, the Bans are not a prerequisite for imposing new taxes, 4) rest of the humanity does not have secret info that Mr Dar personally gave you about the taxes and 5) Not everyone is a PTI supporter but that point is just for the lol factor and im sure you understand that one atleast!
You just seem blatantly incapable of understanding these 4 basic points about this issue. No one is for or against the Tax but this issue is just not about it! If you don't want people to reply to you, delete your account from this website or quit posting instead of resorting to cheap 'threats'.
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Just saw a tweet from CareemPak that Junaid Iqbal will go live on Facebook and Twitter at 4:30 PM... I'm guessing he will answer tonnes of questions regarding this issue
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careem and uber should fill up the mouths of the people in govt and get their business legalized. learn some survival techniques from malik riaz.
survivor man on discovery = bear grylls
survivor man in pakistan= malik riaz.
survivor man in WW 2= osker schindler.
survivor man on discovery = bear grylls
survivor man in pakistan= malik riaz.
survivor man in WW 2= osker schindler.
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Live on periscope. Sorry cant put up a link...
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Its the business responsibility to follow rules and registration NOT govts .. the way it works is if u ever desire to run a transportation company you must have commercially registered vehicles for tons of reasons ! Google if u wish to know more ! as for the tons of accusations you have i have no business or association with any of them , you are just a foolish chuddie who lost his cool
And starting jumping left right and centre instead of understanding like an adult
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Come on guys don't just start jumping without any reason.
With increasing services like Uber and Careem it is necessary to regulate them to make sure it benefits the people in the long run.
We are currently in starting phase of such services where everything is all hunky dory, at least as of now.
Once these product mature then we will start facing its negative impacts if not regulated properly. So, its good that we are focusing on regulating them in initial phases.
I'm not saying that government is saint they for sure have hidden agenda to over tax these services but regulating such services is the need of time for safeguarding people.
Just for starters please give this a read.
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WHAT IS REGULATION AND WHY IS IT NEEDED?
Regulations are rules put in place to achieve social, political, environmental and economic outcomes that would otherwise not be achieved within an open marketplace. Subsequently, regulations are especially necessary when competition within a market has the potential to exploit consumers and harm society. In such instances, regulations are intended to benefit consumers and drive a healthier business environment.
However, the modern market place deems regulations as anti-innovation and anti-competition. It’s often argued that rules and regulations are unnecessary because market forces can effectively regulate companies.
THE HISTORY OF TAXICAB REGULATION AND FAILED DEREGULATION
While regulation may not be beneficial or necessary for other industries, history has proven time and again that the taxi industry is different. An unregulated taxi industry is harmful to everyone – consumers, driver and operating companies.
During the Great Depression, people jumped at the opportunity to drive unlicensed taxicabs at the absence of stable jobs. This caused an increase in accident rates, poor insurance coverage, and a painful level of road congestion. As a result, American cities quickly enacted laws to address safety, liability and driver rights issues.
Fast-forward forty years to the 1970s and early 1980s, a political era of laissez faire, and suddenly – after decades of prosperity – a wave of deregulation alters the taxicab industry. Local governments in more than twenty cities enabled open-entry and removed regulations on fares, licensing and accessibility requirements. These cities included: Atlanta, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Phoenix, San Diego, Oakland, Portland and Seattle among others.
However, deregulation in these cities proved to be a failure for many reasons. In just a matter of years, almost every city re-regulated its taxi market because:
We cannot afford to face these issues again.
A FAMILIAR STORY
“THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEMBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT.”
History’s failures have shown us that for-hire transportation fills a necessary public service. Smart regulations ensure all have access to safe, affordable and timely door-to-door transportation. Meanwhile, a deregulated environment puts passengers in danger financially and physically, and leads to an unhealthy business environment – preventing companies from providing top quality service.
Unfortunately, with the deregulation of for-hire transportation services like uberX and Lyft, we may be experiencing the same consequences that resulted from the anti-regulation movement of the mid 1970’s and early 1980’s. In modern-day markets where Uber and Lyft are lightly regulated and maturing, (like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Washington DC and Chicago), the results of past year’s deregulation experiments are resurfacing.
If the past provides any indication, we are in trouble.
Let’s take a look at many of the familiar issues that we’re experiencing today:
THE QUALITY OF SERVICE IS DECREASING
As we saw in the 1970’s, quality is slowly decreasing because of an increased supply of drivers and a decrease in driver earnings. As Uber matures in large markets, we will likely see vehicle quality decrease and inexperienced drivers continue to struggle with the responsibilities of being a professional driver.
By looking at the tweets below, one may think that the aforementioned decline in overall service is already happening.
Uber is playing the race to the bottom game with its uberX services. It’s trying to undercut its competitors – including taxis – with predatory pricing in hopes of killing off competition and dominating the transportation market.
This is great for consumers… at the moment.
But Uber also employs “surge pricing” to incentivize its drivers to work increased hours and drive during peak-demand times. This has led to consistent passenger fares that are deemed well above what’s fair and reasonable, as well as many unhappy customers. We call is price gouging.
And it’s only getting worse. A lot of people are now complaining about a seemingly permanent state of surge pricing.
Taxi service today is currently accessible for all – including low-income riders and people with disabilities. Yet, without regulation it will soon be accessible for the wealthy and the privileged – and no one else.
LOWER STANDARDS FOR SAFETY INCREASE PUBLIC RISK
The most alarming trend of a deregulated taxi environment is the rate at which safety for the general public declines. Aside from technology, there’s little difference between the Great Depression’s unlicensed cabs and today’s “rideshare” services. Both used/use untrained, amateur drivers due to limited barrier of entry… and the vast majority did not/do not have the commercial insurance in place to meet the needs of for-hire transportation realities and inherent dangers.
Unlike drivers in the 1930’s, “Rideshare” drivers today go through a degree of background checks. However, a third-party company performs these rideshare driver checks because it is cheaper (and less effective than taxi driver background checks). Specifically, these third-party checks do not report information from all US Courts and in most cases they only provide convictions for a fixed number of years, seven to ten. Because of the limited background check capabilities, people who shouldn’t be driving commercially are slipping through the cracks.
On the contrary, taxicab companies are required to use “Live Scan,” a fingerprint-based background check of drivers filtered through the Department of Justice and FBI systems that have no time-based or jurisdictional limitations. This system is much more encompassing and is regularly updated.
The influx of untrained drivers with insufficient background checks has led to a variety of alarming incidents, including deadly accidents, sexual assaults, kidnappings, and physical altercations.
We’ve documented them all here.
STRUGGLING DRIVERS ARE MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM TO EARN MORE
“Rideshare” drivers are being stretched thin with price cuts and difficult operating costs. Many are frustrated at their lack of income. And as a result, driver protests have swept the country for the past year.
Similar to the 70’s, many drivers are looking for new ways to earn money – at the expense of their riders.
We’ve seen an increase in Uber riders complaining that drivers are canceling their rides, only to find that Uber is surge pricing when they look to hail another ride. We’ve documented this before… and it’s only getting worse.
There’s even possible evidence that this activity by Uber drivers is actually intentional. And whether it’s intentional or not, it’s hard to disagree that there’s something suspicious going on.
Without rules to govern drivers and companies setting fares, companies have free reign to implement the policies and use the tricks needed to charge riders more money. With drivers struggling to make the income they were promised by Uber and Lyft, why wouldn’t they look to manipulate surge pricing to earn some extra income for their services?
MANY ARE QUESTIONING THE EFFECTS ON TRAFFIC AND POLLUTION
Is the influx of vehicles negative negatively affecting air quality and traffic congestion?
Well, the Mayor of Santa Monica had some harsh words recently:
With increasing services like Uber and Careem it is necessary to regulate them to make sure it benefits the people in the long run.
We are currently in starting phase of such services where everything is all hunky dory, at least as of now.
Once these product mature then we will start facing its negative impacts if not regulated properly. So, its good that we are focusing on regulating them in initial phases.
I'm not saying that government is saint they for sure have hidden agenda to over tax these services but regulating such services is the need of time for safeguarding people.
Just for starters please give this a read.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WHAT IS REGULATION AND WHY IS IT NEEDED?
Regulations are rules put in place to achieve social, political, environmental and economic outcomes that would otherwise not be achieved within an open marketplace. Subsequently, regulations are especially necessary when competition within a market has the potential to exploit consumers and harm society. In such instances, regulations are intended to benefit consumers and drive a healthier business environment.
However, the modern market place deems regulations as anti-innovation and anti-competition. It’s often argued that rules and regulations are unnecessary because market forces can effectively regulate companies.
THE HISTORY OF TAXICAB REGULATION AND FAILED DEREGULATION
While regulation may not be beneficial or necessary for other industries, history has proven time and again that the taxi industry is different. An unregulated taxi industry is harmful to everyone – consumers, driver and operating companies.
During the Great Depression, people jumped at the opportunity to drive unlicensed taxicabs at the absence of stable jobs. This caused an increase in accident rates, poor insurance coverage, and a painful level of road congestion. As a result, American cities quickly enacted laws to address safety, liability and driver rights issues.
Fast-forward forty years to the 1970s and early 1980s, a political era of laissez faire, and suddenly – after decades of prosperity – a wave of deregulation alters the taxicab industry. Local governments in more than twenty cities enabled open-entry and removed regulations on fares, licensing and accessibility requirements. These cities included: Atlanta, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Kansas City, Phoenix, San Diego, Oakland, Portland and Seattle among others.
However, deregulation in these cities proved to be a failure for many reasons. In just a matter of years, almost every city re-regulated its taxi market because:
- Prices for taxi riders increased.
- Vehicle quality decreased.
- Average age of vehicles increased.
- Fares became confusing and unpredictable to passengers.
- Taxi riders in low-density areas were neglected and access to 24/7 transportation became difficult.
- Taxi riders became prone to price inflation and exploitation.
- Drivers struggled to make a living wage due to an increase of new drivers and an abundance of supply vs. rider demand.
- Driver quality decreased.
- Accidents increased due to an increase of inexperienced (and sometimes untrained) drivers on the road.
- Operators struggled to fund business operations and maintain top quality standards because of increased competition and decreased revenue.
- Traffic in high-density areas increased due to an influx of cars on the road and more “cruising” activity.
- Air quality decreased.
We cannot afford to face these issues again.
A FAMILIAR STORY
“THOSE WHO CANNOT REMEMBER THE PAST ARE CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT.”
History’s failures have shown us that for-hire transportation fills a necessary public service. Smart regulations ensure all have access to safe, affordable and timely door-to-door transportation. Meanwhile, a deregulated environment puts passengers in danger financially and physically, and leads to an unhealthy business environment – preventing companies from providing top quality service.
Unfortunately, with the deregulation of for-hire transportation services like uberX and Lyft, we may be experiencing the same consequences that resulted from the anti-regulation movement of the mid 1970’s and early 1980’s. In modern-day markets where Uber and Lyft are lightly regulated and maturing, (like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Washington DC and Chicago), the results of past year’s deregulation experiments are resurfacing.
If the past provides any indication, we are in trouble.
Let’s take a look at many of the familiar issues that we’re experiencing today:
THE QUALITY OF SERVICE IS DECREASING
As we saw in the 1970’s, quality is slowly decreasing because of an increased supply of drivers and a decrease in driver earnings. As Uber matures in large markets, we will likely see vehicle quality decrease and inexperienced drivers continue to struggle with the responsibilities of being a professional driver.
By looking at the tweets below, one may think that the aforementioned decline in overall service is already happening.
Uber is playing the race to the bottom game with its uberX services. It’s trying to undercut its competitors – including taxis – with predatory pricing in hopes of killing off competition and dominating the transportation market.
This is great for consumers… at the moment.
But Uber also employs “surge pricing” to incentivize its drivers to work increased hours and drive during peak-demand times. This has led to consistent passenger fares that are deemed well above what’s fair and reasonable, as well as many unhappy customers. We call is price gouging.
And it’s only getting worse. A lot of people are now complaining about a seemingly permanent state of surge pricing.
Taxi service today is currently accessible for all – including low-income riders and people with disabilities. Yet, without regulation it will soon be accessible for the wealthy and the privileged – and no one else.
LOWER STANDARDS FOR SAFETY INCREASE PUBLIC RISK
The most alarming trend of a deregulated taxi environment is the rate at which safety for the general public declines. Aside from technology, there’s little difference between the Great Depression’s unlicensed cabs and today’s “rideshare” services. Both used/use untrained, amateur drivers due to limited barrier of entry… and the vast majority did not/do not have the commercial insurance in place to meet the needs of for-hire transportation realities and inherent dangers.
Unlike drivers in the 1930’s, “Rideshare” drivers today go through a degree of background checks. However, a third-party company performs these rideshare driver checks because it is cheaper (and less effective than taxi driver background checks). Specifically, these third-party checks do not report information from all US Courts and in most cases they only provide convictions for a fixed number of years, seven to ten. Because of the limited background check capabilities, people who shouldn’t be driving commercially are slipping through the cracks.
On the contrary, taxicab companies are required to use “Live Scan,” a fingerprint-based background check of drivers filtered through the Department of Justice and FBI systems that have no time-based or jurisdictional limitations. This system is much more encompassing and is regularly updated.
The influx of untrained drivers with insufficient background checks has led to a variety of alarming incidents, including deadly accidents, sexual assaults, kidnappings, and physical altercations.
We’ve documented them all here.
STRUGGLING DRIVERS ARE MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM TO EARN MORE
“Rideshare” drivers are being stretched thin with price cuts and difficult operating costs. Many are frustrated at their lack of income. And as a result, driver protests have swept the country for the past year.
Similar to the 70’s, many drivers are looking for new ways to earn money – at the expense of their riders.
We’ve seen an increase in Uber riders complaining that drivers are canceling their rides, only to find that Uber is surge pricing when they look to hail another ride. We’ve documented this before… and it’s only getting worse.
There’s even possible evidence that this activity by Uber drivers is actually intentional. And whether it’s intentional or not, it’s hard to disagree that there’s something suspicious going on.
Without rules to govern drivers and companies setting fares, companies have free reign to implement the policies and use the tricks needed to charge riders more money. With drivers struggling to make the income they were promised by Uber and Lyft, why wouldn’t they look to manipulate surge pricing to earn some extra income for their services?
MANY ARE QUESTIONING THE EFFECTS ON TRAFFIC AND POLLUTION
Is the influx of vehicles negative negatively affecting air quality and traffic congestion?
Well, the Mayor of Santa Monica had some harsh words recently:
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So these unworthy road buses and illegal rickshaw are they fit for purpose ?
Do they pay tax? Do they provide quality transport ?
Do they pay tax? Do they provide quality transport ?
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