Capitalism is in decline

[MarkusS]

Thats why I said it played a crucial role, not the lone role in this.


East Germany on the other hand was subjected to socialist policies and propaganda and results of these influences is obvious.
Maybe it was great among other socialist nations, but compared to free market economies, it lacked behind. AFAIK those parts are still less developed than the rest of Germany, which again proves that the free market theory is superior.

@Desert Fox

Depends on the area. Cities like Dresden, Erfurt and Jena are at the same level as the west. Also the "less developed" does not stand. Many east german areas have much better infrastructure than west now, because almost all investments were pushed into the east after reunion.

 

[Desert Fox]

destroying? how comes i feel so great? we are better than ever before.

Capitalism has its flaws. When a major Western company/corporation feels it can make more profit by relocating its manufacturing base to a third world country where it can hire and pay people for less compared to in America or Europe, it will do so, even if it means it has to lay off millions of its American or European employees from their jobs.

This is what has happened to America within the past 30 years. Capitalism is all about the money, NOT for the people.

 

[cyphercide]

Capitalism has its flaws. When a major Western company/corporation feels it can make more profit by relocating its manufacturing base to a third world country where it can hire and pay people for less compared to in America or Europe, it will do so, even if it means it has to lay off millions of its American or European employees from their jobs.

This is what has happened to America within the past 30 years. Capitalism is all about the money, NOT for the people.

Actually, they end up feeding and financially enabling a lot of people in the third world. And once median wages are raised somewhere, they move on to the next poor country to exploit.


That is unless...you don't consider us as people.

 

[Desert Fox]

Funny how people think that Hitler did Germany any good with that.

Did bring the German economy back to growth? Yes.

Did he fight unemployment? Yes.

Did he build massive new infrastructure ? Yes.

You are contradicting yourself here by implying that Hitler didn't do any good but then proving that he lifted millions out of poverty, which is a very good thing.

But ever cared to think why Germany grew so fast?
Because there was not much of an industrialized economy left after the Treaty of Versailles came into place, so any growth had substantial numbers.

Hitler invested insane sums into infrastructure and all kinds of industries, thus creating millions of jobs. However, everything was mere preparation for his insane total war plans. Everything was funded by taking insane amounts of debts which were expected to be paid by plundering other countries.

From industrial steel giants like Krupp to small businesses which manufactured parts for optics, every one was preparing for war... a war that would bomb Germany back into the dark ages.

False. Germany was the least prepared for war economy wise. That is why German Arms productions did not increase a significant amount until 1944, which was very late in the war.

German armored fighting vehicle production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Military production during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Compared to other industrialized Nations with similar or more capabilities and yet who still remained in the depression, Germany was prospering immensely with no unemployment.

Grow up. Capitalism made the West what it is today: First World countries. It has lifted millions out of poverty, has created immense wealth and high living standards.

Any major growing economy like those of the BRICS have come so far thanks to free market principles.

Capitalism puts money over National interests. Today the very major corporations and companies that employed millions of Americans are now abandoning America for cheaper manufacturing bases where a greater profit can be generated through cheap labor. Yes, im afraid Capitalism is destroying the West.

And keep your morality BS to yourself,

Make me, lets see how that goes (eventhough i didn't mention anything about morality on this thread).

otherwise millions of Asians, Africans and South Americans would not try to into these "immoral" countries full of "sin" and bad people

Lol, i don't even know what you are talking about. Nowhere did i mention "morality" or "sins" in any of my posts on this thread. Hallucinating much??

Actually, they end up feeding and financially enabling a lot of people in the third world. And once median wages are raised there, they move on to the next poor country to exploit.

And they end up leaving millions without jobs and a steady income which results in poverty. Is it a good thing that someone can't feed their family because someone else wanted to put some extra $$ in their pocket??

That is unless...you don't consider us as people.

Under capitalism, human beings are just tools, in other words, you have no worth.

 

[cyphercide]

Under capitalism, human beings are just tools, in other words, you have no worth.

I'm sorry. I did not realize you got a shitload of responses. I'll get back to you whenever you're free.

 

[Desert Fox]

I'm sorry. I did not realize you got a shitload of responses. I'll get back to you whenever you're free.

Not a problem.

Actually, they end up feeding and financially enabling a lot of people in the third world. And once median wages are raised there, they move on to the next poor country to exploit.

And they end up leaving millions without jobs and a steady income which results in poverty. Is it a good thing that someone can't feed their family because someone else wants to put some extra $$ in their pocket??

That is unless...you don't consider us as people.

Under capitalism, human beings are just tools, in other words, human being has no worth.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Under capitalism, human beings are just tools, in other words, human being has no worth.

So you hate both capitalism and communism? That's fair, I don't necessarily disagree.

But what economic system do you think should replace them, is the real question?

 

[Desert Fox]

So you hate both capitalism and communism? That's fair, I don't necessarily disagree.

But what economic system do you think should replace them, is the real question?

The middle ground. A balance between the two extremes. A individual should have the right to earn more money than others based on his own capabilities and talent, however it should not be at the expense of his fellow countrymen and their well being as well as the national interests of his nation.

There are a few examples of this in history.

 

[cyphercide]

And they end up leaving millions without jobs and a steady income which results in poverty. Is it a good thing that someone can't feed their family because someone else wanted to put some extra $$ in their pocket??

It was always going to be cheap, cheaper, cheapest and automated substitute for the grand finale. Anyone with insignificant skills is eventually going to be replaced. Heck, as AI grows, I don't think job security is going to be part of the formal vernacular anymore.

Bill Gates interview: Robots will take people’s jobs | BGR

Under capitalism, human beings are just tools, in other words, human being has no worth.

Socialism draws upon all kinds of worker utopia but ultimately ends up being a hellhole for everyone except "the party".

 

[Hakan]

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I personally like a free market system that has little to no government influence. The only regulations i would have would be those that are outlined in the quran and sunnah.

The main problem with today's financial system is fractional reserve banking and fiat currency both of which resulted from interest.

Oh and communism/socialism suck along with fake capitalism.

 

[MarkusS]

The middle ground. A balance between the two extremes. A individual should have the right to earn more money than others based on his own capabilities and talent, however it should not be at the expense of his fellow countrymen and their well being as well as the national interests of his nation.

There are a few examples of this in history.

you do realize thats exactly the EU? Capitalism connected with welfare and so far it works.

 

[Desert Fox]

It was always going to be cheap, cheaper, cheapest and automated substitute for the grand finale. Anyone with insignificant skills is eventually going to be replaced. Heck, as AI grows, I don't think job security is going to be part of the formal vernacular anymore.

Bill Gates interview: Robots will take people’s jobs | BGR

But there is a big problem here. If the robots experience malfunction or their software gets attacked/hacked for any reason, thus impairing production, the robots won't fix themselves, and will still require human intellect and labor to repair and maintain them. Artificial Intelligence cannot replace Human labor due its countless vulnerabilities.

Socialism draws upon all kinds of worker utopia but ultimately ends up being a hellhole for everyone except "the party".

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There's different kinds of Socialism. The most common and widely known form of Socialism is Marxian Socialism, better known as Communism.

Communism does not acknowledge the innate human trait of selfishness. Equalizing everything will only make people more greedy and selfish. Every individual does something to gain something. To deny this would be to go against nature, and that will eventually lead to a disaster, as the world witnessed during the collapse of the Soviet Union where everything was up for grabs and this gave rise to the oligarchs.

The other form of Socialism, one that is not commonly known is Hitlerite Socialism, AKA National Socialism. This form of Socialism does acknowledge the innate human trait of selfishness, and does not deny the individual his desire to pursue an increased salary or better standard of living through his hard work, however on one condition that the product of his work be in consonance with the interest of his community with which he/she shares a common bond.

A Capitalist society, on the other hand, puts materialism on a pedestal. Materialism is the heart of Capitalism. Material is worth more than the human being, and a human being is given a similar status as that of a inanimate object. Those who own the industries and manufacturing base have only the goal of making as much profit as possible through as many loopholes in the system as possible, whether it be through illegal or legal means, and at the expense of others well being. Only plutocrats who's desire it is to only serve their own personal interests favor such a system as Capitalism.

@cyphercide @Chinese-Dragon @Kaan

 

[Hakan]

But there is a big problem here. If the robots experience malfunction or their software gets attacked/hacked for any reason, thus impairing production, the robots won't fix themselves, and will still require human intellect and labor to repair and maintain them. Artificial Intelligence cannot replace Human labor due its countless vulnerabilities.

There's different kinds of Socialism. The most common and widely known form of Socialism is Marxian Socialism, better known as Communism.

Communism does not acknowledge the innate human trait of selfishness. Equalizing everything will only make people more greedy and selfish. Every individual does something to gain something. To deny this would be to go against nature, and that will eventually lead to a disaster, as the world witnessed during the collapse of the Soviet Union where everything was up for grabs and this gave rise to the oligarchs.

The other form of Socialism, one that is not commonly known is Hitlerite Socialism, AKA National Socialism. This form of Socialism does acknowledge the innate human trait of selfishness, and does not deny the individual his desire to pursue an increased salary or better standard of living through his hard work, however on one condition that the product of his work be in consonance with the interest of his community with which he/she shares a common bond.

A Capitalist society, on the other hand, puts materialism on a pedestal. Materialism is the heart of Capitalism. Material is worth more than the human being, and a human being is given a similar status as that of a inanimate object. Those who own the industries and manufacturing base have only the goal of making as much profit as possible through as many loopholes in the system as possible, whether it be through illegal or legal means, and at the expense of others well being. Only plutocrats who's desire it is to only serve their own personal interests favor such a system as Capitalism.

@cyphercide @Chinese-Dragon @Kaan[/quote]
I recommend that the young kids study I.T, computer science, or in university because eventually everything will be connected and the only jobs left will be maintaining robots and computers both of which involve alot of i.t knowledge.
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Just so everyone knows Hitler is a murderer.

 

[Desert Fox]

you do realize thats exactly the EU? Capitalism connected with welfare and so far it works.

Yes, i hear that the E.U. has a very good healthcare system and overall social welfare system. But the main issue i also hear is that its being leached on by millions of third world immigrants with whom the native Europeans who make up the majority of their nations working class do not feel any affinity towards (thus the rise of Nationalist Parties within every E.U. country).

Most of these immigrants pouring into E.U. countries (due to the leftist gov.t's liberal immigrant policies) don't want to integrate into their host countries and thus cannot work or get a proper job. So what good is the system if the growing portion of the population it is serving is not willing to contribute back??

 

[Hakan]

Yes, i hear that the E.U. has a very good healthcare system and overall social welfare system. But the main issue i also hear is that its being leached on by millions of third world immigrants with whom the native Europeans who make up the majority of their nations working class do not feel any affinity towards (thus the rise of Nationalist Parties within every E.U. country).

Most of these immigrants pouring into E.U. countries (due to the leftist gov.t's) don't want to integrate into their host countries and thus cannot work or get a proper job. So what good is the system if the growing portion of the population it is serving is not willing to contribute back??

Most immigrants wont admit it but they don't necessarily care about the host country. Thats the reality so I can understand where the right wing guys are coming from. People have to put them selves in the shoes of white Christian Europeans for a few seconds to understand this.

Luckily for us europe will eventually have an extremely large muslim population.