Can’t keep waiting for stealth fighter, India tells Russia

[Rafi]

Really?
Can u tell me how many protos are flying atm?

At least 2 flying prototypes and 1 static model.

 

[he-man]

At least 2 flying prototypes and 1 static model.

For pakfa there are 5 with 6 th in the making.
Its aesa and ecm suite is ready and so are maws,jammers and l-band aesa for iff.

What info do u have about j-31 besides the numbers built that u are claiming it will be inducted before?
Have u seen its aesa yet?

 

[Rafi]

For pakfa there are 5 with 6 th in the making.
Its aesa and ecm suite is ready and so are maws,jammers and l-band aesa for iff.

What info do u have about j-31 besides the numbers built that u are claiming it will be inducted before?
Have u seen its aesa yet?

The company has all the hard data acquired already and will not start from scratch, also the sheer amount of funding for both J20 and J31, Russia cannot match.

 

[Omega007]

For pakfa there are 5 with 6 th in the making.
Its aesa and ecm suite is ready and so are maws,jammers and l-band aesa for iff.

What info do u have about j-31 besides the numbers built that u are claiming it will be inducted before?
Have u seen its aesa yet?

Never mind his claims buddy,that guy is a salesman of fictions.He even managed to get an entire platoon of 32 men from Indian Army by merely a small squad of Pakistani regulars in his fiction.

 

[he-man]

The company has all the hard data acquired already and will not start from scratch, also the sheer amount of funding for both J20 and J31, Russia cannot match.

I asked u clearly.

Where is the aesa and other equipment of both j-20 and j-31.
If u don't know which u clearly don't then please refrain from making immature statements.
Until u have data to show,,,its not believable,its as simple as that.

Pakfa has been flying with this for 2 years now

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[Last Samuri]

Ignore the Pakistani trols.

I herd all this bullshit with j10..for five whole years.

Ten x they signed for 150-vanguards. J10b.

The j31 is only a tech demonstrator and will take decade from here to get to induction.
As for paf buying are the chinease selling for free

 

[The_Sidewinder]

Their are differences of engines,radar and some other things,pakfa in its current form is not refined enough to be inducted.

hmmmm.
I hope problems will be resolved & induction will happen at an earlier time frame.

Ignore the Pakistani trols.

I herd all this bullshit with j10..for five whole years.

Ten x they signed for 150-vanguards. J10b.

The j31 is only a tech demonstrator and will take decade from here to get to induction.
As for paf buying are the chinease selling for free

Agreed.
Theres an old saying, "A bird in hand worths more than two birds in the branch"

 

[karan21]

How about we show Russians a middle finger??? Finish off the Tejas Mk1 and Mk2 and start designing our own fifth gen fighter.

These people are selling India out. One after another we have been dependent on Russia from Mig 21 to Sukhoi-30. How long can this continue??

Can the Rafale and Russian deal and build Indian planes. I know what I am saying is a fanboy approach. But this is the only way we can show confidence in Indian aviation and engineering. Whats the point of producing 1.2 million of those when they are beaten by government policies.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Russia will not appreciate this tone !!!!

If Putin pulls his strings Modi's Dhoti utar jaigi

Phir na east ka rehega na west ka

 

[kurup]

We should go the same way , we inducted Flankers into IAF .

First induct few PAK FA , let the pilots familiarize with the system ....... after we have sufficient FGFA in service we can sell them back to Russia .

 

[sathya]

If we get pak fa in the same lines as su 30 mki, then it's Avery good deal.

I am afraid it's not ,, even though we are partner right from the beginning ..

 

[Lostsoldier]

Well,I'm not really concerned about the AMCA right now.Because it's a dream that DRDO (ADA to be more specific) wants to persue,not the IAF.Besides,it simply doesn't add any new capabilities which the FGFA won't have.I'm more concerned about the development of next generation turbofan engines and of course,the AURA.If we really buy both Rafale and FGFA,it will create tremendous strain on our resources and then there won't be any money left for the afore mentioned projects.It's time to bite the bullet and scrap the MMRCA deal altogether and go for more Su 30MKIs straight from thr Irkutsk instead of placing the order on HAL.

Face palm!!

 

[Lostsoldier]

For pakfa there are 5 with 6 th in the making.
Its aesa and ecm suite is ready and so are maws,jammers and l-band aesa for iff.

What info do u have about j-31 besides the numbers built that u are claiming it will be inducted before?
Have u seen its aesa yet?

Don't scare the troll m8.

 

[faisal6309]

India!!!

 

[Thorough Pro]

meanwhile Putin says, then go fucking make your own!

Can’t keep waiting for stealth fighter, India tells Russia

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NEW DELHI: Ahead of President Vladimir Putin's visit here early next month, India has told Russia to come back with a plan to substantially reduce the delivery timeframe for the stealth fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) if it wants to seal the futuristic project by next year.

The plan till now was that India would begin inducting the stealth fighters only 94 months — at the earliest — after the two countries inked the final design and R&D contract, which itself has already been delayed by over two years by now.

"Russia has now been told that India cannot wait for a decade to get the FGFA. The delivery schedules should be compressed instead of IAF waiting for the FGFA till 2024-2025. The Russians will probably respond during Putin's visit," a defence ministry source said on Monday.

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As was first reported by TOI, India is already upset with Russia for not giving its experts "full technological access" to the FGFA project despite being an equal funding partner. The final design contract, which is yet to be inked after missing the mid-2012 deadline, envisages the two countries chipping in with $5.5 billion each towards designing, infrastructure build-up, prototype development and flight testing.

With the 127 single-seat FGFA that IAF wants costing extra, India will spend around $25 billion on the entire project. India had already spent $295 million on it after inking the preliminary design contract with Russia in December 2010.

The Indian "perspective multirole fighter" is to be based on the under development Russian FGFA called PAK-FA or Sukhoi T-50, which undertook its first flight-test in January 2010, but will be tweaked to IAF's requirements.

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The delivery of aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya by Russia to India was delayed by several years.

As per the initial plan, with Indian scientists and experts also being based in Russia, the Ozar facility of Hindustan Aeronautics in Nashik was to get three FGFA prototypes in 2014, 2017 and 2019 for test-flying by IAF pilots. The final production was to begin only around 2022. All these timelines, of course, have gone awry with the final design contract yet to be sealed.

With IAF down to just 34 fighter squadrons, when at least 44 are required, alarm bells have finally begun to clang loudly in the Indian defence establishment over the long delays in all its three fighter induction projects.

The indigenous Tejas light combat aircraft, first approved in 1983, for instance, will get final operational clearance only by mid-2015. But IAF will get what it actually wants, the four Tejas Mark-II squadrons, from 2022 onwards.

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Vladimir Putin, who was the Russian prime minister then, walks near a new Russian fighter jet Sukhoi T-50, after its flight in Zhukovksy, outside Moscow on June 17, 2010. (Getty Images photo)

Negotiations for the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multirole combat aircraft) project for 126 Rafale fighters, too, are stuck with France yet to accept full responsibility for the 108 of the jets to be produced in India. "MoD wants at least two of the three projects (FGFA, LCA and MMRCA) to be speeded up," said a source.

Can’t keep waiting for stealth fighter, India tells Russia - The Times of India