Can PTI be Finished?

[Meengla]

The state machinery is in full swing to make it look like PTI has already lost. Best is to keep patience. A battle lost doesn’t mean the war is lost.

Wise words. And if you think about how strong PTI was after April 2022, then the 'patience' word you used was needed. But, alas, resigning from the NA when PTI was only a few seats short of this discredited govt. who would be facing huge challenges, dissolving the two Prov. Assemblies where PTI was in power, picking a fight with the Establishment of Pakistan, jeopardizing Pakistan's vital commercial interests by blaming America for the 'regime change'...

What was the rush for?? Imran is only in his early 70s and is a fit, athletic guy. He could have easily waited some months or a few years. Had he paid attention to the history of Pakistan then he would have seen how fickle not only the politicians are but also the Establishment: They have all switched sides frequently.

As to the OP, yes, indeed, PTI under Imran Khan can and probably will be finished. It was a cult built around a personality with no clear 'heir' in sight. There is a reason 'dynastic politics' in Pakistan is alive: That's the only way to preserve political parties. It is a sad truth! One day it must be broken but it will be only broken organically.

 

[Olympus81]

Wise words. And if you think about how strong PTI was after April 2022, then the 'patience' word you used was needed. But, alas, resigning from the NA when PTI was only a few seats short of this discredited govt. who would be facing huge challenges, dissolving the two Prov. Assemblies where PTI was in power, picking a fight with the Establishment of Pakistan, jeopardizing Pakistan's vital commercial interests by blaming America for the 'regime change'...

What was the rush for?? Imran is only in his early 70s and is a fit, athletic guy. He could have easily waited some months or a few years. Had he paid attention to the history of Pakistan then he would have seen how fickle not only the politicians are but also the Establishment: They have all switched sides frequently.

As to the OP, yes, indeed, PTI under Imran Khan can and probably will be finished. It was a cult built around a personality with no clear 'heir' in sight. There is a reason 'dynastic politics' in Pakistan is alive: That's the only way to preserve political parties. It is a sad truth! One day it must be broken but it will be only broken organically.

Your argument regarding dissolving assemblies cut both ways.

Post dissolution of assemblies, elections are supposed to held within 90 days. That’s written unequivocally in the constitution. That is what the SC said.

But elections did not take place. Is that not high treason by the PDM, the punishment of which is jail terms for the leaders. An argument can be made that PTI underestimated the degree to which Pakistan is a banana republic.

PTI is an alternative to dynastic politics. So what if there is no heir. I think its better as no group will usurp the whole party when the leader fades away. The democratic process within the party will gradually weed away the bad ones.

PTI has been blamed for being a 1 seat party, mummy daddy party, burger party, made fun of their tsunami or sehat card programs, or focusing too much on pana gaah and now in direct confrontation with PDM and Establishment. They will stumble but they will come out of this. There is a first for every thing. If they don’t then someone else will. The people have woken up to the ilk that holds Pakistan back.

 

[Conqueror]

PTI is not a political ideology, its vision of Pakistan as it was originally meant to be. How can nations vision die?

 

[Meengla]

Your argument regarding dissolving assemblies cut both ways.

Post dissolution of assemblies, elections are supposed to held within 90 days. That’s written unequivocally in the constitution. That is what the SC said.

But elections did not take place. Is that not high treason by the PDM, the punishment of which is jail terms for the leaders. An argument can be made that PTI underestimated the degree to which Pakistan is a banana republic.

PTI is an alternative to dynastic politics. So what if there is no heir. I think its better as no group will usurp the whole party when the leader fades away. The democratic process within the party will gradually weed away the bad ones.

PTI has been blamed for being a 1 seat party, mummy daddy party, burger party, made fun of their tsunami or sehat card programs, or focusing too much on pana gaah and now in direct confrontation with PDM and Establishment. They will stumble but they will come out of this. There is a first for every thing. If they don’t then someone else will. The people have woken up to the ilk that holds Pakistan back.

You are correct in your post on all except this part:
"They will stumble but they will come out of this."

No. You can't make so many mistakes and 'come out of this'. This is Pakistan we are talking about. Imran is still indulging in fantasies like I can name a Khamba (a light post) and people would vote for that. Utterly stupid! When the Establishment of Pakistan decisively moves against someone, then days are numbered.

Imran's only 'contribution' history will remember is raising awareness about the Establishment of Pakistan. That he would be thanked for. I already thank him for that. But, without a viable alternative, removing the Esablishment will be very dangerous for Pakistan and that's the point Asad Umer tried to make in his exit speech from PTI. But history will also remember that Imran only took on the Establishment to get back to power.

I don't know how many times I have repeated these things here.

 

[M. Sarmad]

As to the OP, yes, indeed, PTI under Imran Khan can and probably will be finished. It was a cult built around a personality with no clear 'heir' in sight. There is a reason 'dynastic politics' in Pakistan is alive: That's the only way to preserve political parties. It is a sad truth! One day it must be broken but it will be only broken organically.

From a political science perspective, it is more accurate to categorize PTI, Pakistan's largest political party that unites people across regional, ethnic, sectarian, gender, and age groups, as a mass movement rather than a cult. You have to distinguish between the strong personality cult surrounding IK, as observed with many other politicians and celebrities as well, and the broader support base of the PTI. Characterizing all PTI members and supporters (i.e. the majority of Pakistanis) as cultists is an oversimplification and a disingenuous attempt to undermine IK's popularity.

 

[Conqueror]

Wise words. And if you think about how strong PTI was after April 2022, then the 'patience' word you used was needed. But, alas, resigning from the NA when PTI was only a few seats short of this discredited govt. who would be facing huge challenges, dissolving the two Prov. Assemblies where PTI was in power, picking a fight with the Establishment of Pakistan, jeopardizing Pakistan's vital commercial interests by blaming America for the 'regime change'...

What was the rush for?? Imran is only in his early 70s and is a fit, athletic guy. He could have easily waited some months or a few years. Had he paid attention to the history of Pakistan then he would have seen how fickle not only the politicians are but also the Establishment: They have all switched sides frequently.

As to the OP, yes, indeed, PTI under Imran Khan can and probably will be finished. It was a cult built around a personality with no clear 'heir' in sight. There is a reason 'dynastic politics' in Pakistan is alive: That's the only way to preserve political parties. It is a sad truth! One day it must be broken but it will be only broken organically.

why protect Americans when they were conspiring against Pak gov openly. They've chosen this path with Army and both are paying price. Its not Imran Khan or Pakistan's fault nor Pakistan initiated it.

They'll pay who have instigated unrest.

 

[ghazi52]

,..,,.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Egypt/comments/12uk1jz

 

[xyxmt]

LMAO, you want to know PTI will be finished?
I don't even see Pakistan in near future as an entity, maybe few different factions or tribal warlord like system in different part of the country...which suits our F.A. pass Generals, more land for them take after retirement.

You know Punjabi dehati mentality....zameen ke lye jaan bhi de dain gye
but this will be a good thing for Baluchistan and KPK.

by the way I heard tomorrow five powerful F.A. pass generals are having a famous "Core commander" meeting where five geniuses will put their heads together to find out why country is getting fcuked when they only tried to fcuk Imran.

 

[ziaulislam]

In all probability it cannot be finished..


IK will be in Public memory for too long a time...

Just like Bhutto.where ppl say after maghrib namaz bhutto is seen in larkana...

Imran Khan , whether successful to be a PM or not.. will always go down as a legend... At par..or maybe even more..than Bhutto


Its possible that current form of PTI will die..but the thought process and IK's bhakts will linger on for long time

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Already finished

Wise words. And if you think about how strong PTI was after April 2022, then the 'patience' word you used was needed. But, alas, resigning from the NA when PTI was only a few seats short of this discredited govt. who would be facing huge challenges, dissolving the two Prov. Assemblies where PTI was in power, picking a fight with the Establishment of Pakistan, jeopardizing Pakistan's vital commercial interests by blaming America for the 'regime change'...

What was the rush for?? Imran is only in his early 70s and is a fit, athletic guy. He could have easily waited some months or a few years. Had he paid attention to the history of Pakistan then he would have seen how fickle not only the politicians are but also the Establishment: They have all switched sides frequently.

As to the OP, yes, indeed, PTI under Imran Khan can and probably will be finished. It was a cult built around a personality with no clear 'heir' in sight. There is a reason 'dynastic politics' in Pakistan is alive: That's the only way to preserve political parties. It is a sad truth! One day it must be broken but it will be only broken organically.

PTI was cult which will die once Imran Khan is hanged soon

We need a strongman to lead this country, Imran khan was weak

 

[Clutch]

LMAO, you want to know PTI will be finished?
I don't even see Pakistan in near future as an entity, maybe few different factions or tribal warlord like system in different part of the country...which suits our F.A. pass Generals, more land for them take after retirement.

You know Punjabi dehati mentality....zameen ke lye jaan bhi de dain gye
but this will be a good thing for Baluchistan and KPK.

by the way I heard tomorrow five powerful F.A. pass generals are having a famous "Core commander" meeting where five geniuses will put their heads together to find out why country is getting fcuked when they only tried to fcuk Imran.

Pakistan doesn't exist anymore it's now a failed banana republic of Faujistan

 

[Cash GK]

Imagine even after so much time, ANP is still existing.... Just on the aura of Bacha Khan..

Anp was not national level party
. Pti is only national party which happens in whol country. If they finsh pti which units pakistan. Then there is no bigger treason agiant county of Pakistan then 1971l those who think pti will finsh they are stupid. They can be fisnh if they fight elections and people don't vote them but at the money 90 percent people support pti from khaber to karachi. Those are try to finsh pti nation will finsh them soon

 

[Baghial]

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Can PTI be finished?
Tahir Maqsood Cheena
The institutions are like rivers; they do not wash away. There may be less or more water, but they will continue their journey. Popular political parties are the same. Therefore, historically, political parties have always remained firm in Pakistan despite facing state force. They only get weak due to governance issues when voted into power. Almost all political parties in Pakistan have faced an existential crisis. Accordingly, PTI is also facing a grave concern as so many electives are leaving PTI. The fundamental question is, will PTI succeed in these parting ways?
To begin with, Pakistan is a federation compiling four provinces, and all provinces are politically different. KPK and Pushtoon belt of Balochistan or Pushtoon residing in Karachi or other parts of Pakistan tend to vote for political parties rather than electives. Pushtoon almost covers 60 NA seats out of 266 NA seats in Pakistan. Then, PTI is the most popular political party among Pushton and does not require electives. PTI & JUIF can win among Pushtoons, and candidates do not matter to them. PTI is robustly popular in Ex- FATA, Malakand Division, Peshawar Valley, and central and southern KPK. It is also popular in the Hazara division in KPK. PTI is also popular among Pushtoons in Karachi and other parts of Pakistan. It is also gaining popularity in the Pushtoon belt in Balochistan. Most importantly, PTI does not require electives in Pushtoon areas to win constituencies.
Islam Abad Capital territory has three NA seats, and PTI does not require electives to win these seats. PTI can win Islam Abad constituencies irrespective of the candidates, as it is the most popular political party in Islam Abad. Accordingly, PTI is set to win most seats from NA-1 to NA-48, irrespective of the candidature.
The province of Punjab is the most critical factor in deciding the outcome of Pakistani elections as it comprises NA-49 to NA-189 Rajan Pur. These 138 seats have the potential to make national governments. Punjab has primarily urban and rural political divides. Political parties are strong in urban areas and do not require electives, whereas it is a combination of political parties and candidates in the rural constitutes. Out of 138 NA seats in Punjab, more than 100 NA seats have less role of candidates. Therefore, it is no longer a problem for political parties to depend upon candidates. Then, 38 NA seats require influential candidates. It is also mentioned that almost each NA constituency in Punjab has more than five influential candidates, and they will be joining political parties according to opportunities. These 38 seats are primarily in South Punjab and Sahiwal Division, as reported in the constituency survey of republicpolicy.com
Hence, PTI is very competitive in 138 NA seats of Punjab, although it is in front of KPK and Islam Abad. Accordingly, PTI may be facing a loss with the parting of candidates, yet it shall remain the potent force from NA-1 Chitral to NA-189 Rajan Pur. PTI is set to win most of the NA constituencies of KPK and Punjab, irrespective of who contests from PTI.
The province of Sindh is divided ethnically among 61 NA seats. The Sindhi and Urdu-speaking people have different political trends. Then, Pushtoons in Karachi also have a different trend. It seems PTI may not win rural Sindh constituencies. However, PTI may lose in Karachi, where it won 14 NA seats in 2018. PPPP has regained the rural areas of Karachi, whereas Urdu Speaking areas are yet to decide as so many factors are involved. PTI may not lose the KPK and Punjab ( excluding electable constituencies) with departing candidates, but it certainly can lose in Karachi due to weak organization and other factors. Balochistan has 17 NA seats, and PTI is gaining a little popularity in the Pushtoon belt. However, these seats are manageable, and PTI might only perform with a free hand.
Therefore, it can be analyzed that PTI may suffer a little loss due to the departing of candidates, but it might be a small one. However, the election campaign and other factors are also significant towards the road to elections. PTI needs organization and substitutes candidates if candidates leave the party. So far, popular political support is with PTI, which might be why it will survive the present onslaught. Imran Khan is the most popular leader of Pakistan. He is 73 per cent popular in KPK and 70 per cent in Punjab. He is 23 per cent popular in Sindh and 19 per cent in Baluchistan. He is more than 64 per cent popular in Pakistan accumulatively. ( Source-republic policy)
Therefore, it is not easy to sideline a political leader who is popular across and enjoys the support of 2/3rd of population. Lastly, PTI depends entirely upon Imran Khan and no other leader or groups of leaders can even be endorsed by PTI supporters unless Imran Khan recommends them.

Can PTI be Finished?

PTI is the most popular political party with the most popular political leader. The popularity of IK is around 2/3rd of the populations, therefore, PTI can not be finished.

republicpolicy.com

Defections wont do the damage THEY think they will do but still the real aim of defections and press conferences is something else entirely

Can shaitan be finished??

Shud be the name of this thread

 

[Asian.Century]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1682634234203197440

 

[HAIDER]

Funny judicial system of Pakistan ...

 

[Sliver]

doesnt matter if PTI is finished. many political parties have come and gone. the elites stay on forever.

PTI has done its job though - and will be remembered forever- as a party that unraveled the army. finally the fauj has no where to hide -using its veneers as "the savior", "the protector", "the only force that can hold pakistan together"

Pakistan's political scene is still the same - all parties are still chor - but now we really dont have any respect for the amy any more. and its continue to fall even further with all its shenanigans