Can PAK make Kashmir valley more costly for India so much so that India gives it up?

[Laozi]

Kashmiris are recognized by world. They have been suffering since 1947. Kashmir can't me mixed with Punjab...Wrong analogy. And if you don't want to free them at least don't blind/rape or kill them....U guys have gone mad totally...

First of all let me tell you that these things doesn't happen on their own. There is always people with vested interest who create such situations which are beneficial to them.

Can't you figure it out that Indian forces are left with no choice but to use force. Kashmiris are getting alienated by these actions of our forces. And it will take many years to bring normalcy back and winning the hearts of Kashmiri again. Doesn't every Indian know these facts ?

What I can tell you that before this present crisis, Kashmiris were enjoying their every fundamental right which are better or at least equal to rights that every Pakistanis has.

But whosoever orchestrated this debacle has done unimaginable harm to India.

 

[cerberus]

Any reaction has always an equal but opposite reaction

Any attack Minorities Will trigger a fire to burn Kashmir cause once it for all you Not understand this fact Modi wants that Jihadi go berserk and Kill Hindus and Buddhists
its not 90s Any more my friend Media is global Now If you Kill Pundits again Kashmir cause will extinct And This time it will be no mercy

 

[khujliwal]

What Pakistan can or can't do depends on how far China would go to help her. With screws tightening in Nepal and Bangladesh, not much revenue is available from fake currency and narcotics smuggling to keep the holy jihad intense. Given that US and petro dollars have become scarce to feed the cause.

 

[Leviza]

WOW, what hatred towards India

You should be representing Pakistan in U.N. ( in case you are replacing COAS Raheel, then its okay )

BTW, how many years would you take to convert Kashmir into a Karachi ?

Same time as you guys took to convert gujraat Muslims murder into PM

 

[scionoftheindus]

Do tell me what words of mine didn't match with my DP......I said what I feel and think. Life is beautiful but also contains some hard bitter truth which may be very difficult for us to digest but it is what it is...

There is no way any stupid can claim that nukes will remain inactive in war scenario...Everyone knows how emotions shoot up when it comes to Pakistan-India rivalry, one mistake and Boom...

Thanks 4 appreciating my DP...He belongs to northern areas of Pakistan. May be we Pakistanis are extremely mad over Kashmir and its beauty and beautiful people thats why always in readiness to fight India



MOTHER SHIP OF EGO/HUBRIS/HATRED/IGNORANCE....bolo sab sath mil k....Indiaaaa...India...Indiaaa...India

Man,dont scream 'nukes, nukes' like a small kid..neither india nor pakistan will use nukes..period...if at all such a scenario presents itself,india will wipe pakistan before it even thinks of it..don't make such silly threats here..indians are hyper nationalistic..we may have hundreds of flaws within our country but everyone of us will rise in unison at the mere mention of war with pakistan..

It is only in pakistan's well being to have good relations with india...nuclear war is not a child's play..your army knows it very well..that is the reason they ran away with the tails between their legs when india did surgical strikes..all this shout of eet ka jawaab pathar se dengay were just thin air.

 

[A_Poster]

Pakistan should give dead line to UNO about kashmir as it's failing to do anything against Indians

Tell them we pakistan won't be responsible if UN cannot commit to its promise
And won't be liable for any thing is kashmir

Atm we are supporting kashmir people morally and if UN didn't send peace keeping force in IOK
We will start supporting kashmir on all fronts

Last warning to UN or we will help the way we did to afghans in 80s
USA exactly know what we can do so enter peace keeping force or Pakistan will take things in his own hand and world will loose it's saying on the matter

Pakistan need to take solid stand on kashmir
If UN can't enter peace keeping force than let it be the end of civilisation as Kashmiri people cannot take it any more all alone

Enough is enough

So you want to start a warning ministry like Chinese. Didn't got anything done for Chinese.

 

[ito]

Yes....Pakistan is already using 1000 cuts strategy to force India to give up Kashmir. What Pakistanis are not realizing is the emotional value Kashmir hold for 1.3 billion Indians. Even if Pakistan employees 100000 cuts, India is never going to give up an inch of Kashmir. There is no parallel between Vietnam/US, Afghanistan/USSR scenarios to Kashmir/India situation.

 

[Photon]

Pakistan will never win in Kashmir, because Pakistani and the OP do not understand their enemy fully.

OP believes since Kashmir is Muslim majority state, India might not willing to defend it as much as other parts of India.

It was same mistake , Pakistan made in 1965, believing that a war on LOC will not spread to IB.

For Indians IB and LOC are the same and J&K is like any other Indian state and Indians are willing pay any cost to defend it.


So the question is -

Is Pakistan willing to pay any cost to acquire Kashmir ? Are Pakistani prepared to give up Pakistan for Kashmir?

 

[A_Poster]

UNO became just a tool for g6

Pakistan need to take solid stand and even should not shy away of war with India

Clearly say nukes will be used on every area
Be is India , Israel or for that matter anywhere in the world
If world cannot stand with Kashmir than why only kashmir suffer
Let the whole world suffer than

Hard line will wake up these countries as they are only sleeping or looking after their own ways
So tell them stand with kashmir or get ready for nukes

Afghanistan, Iran , Saud family, uae , India etc are in our range
They should send all Indians to India work in these countries and cut all ties if they don't want to get nukes
As simple as that

Get some basic about Nukes correct. Here is damage potential for a 45Kt nuke in air-burst (most efficient mode), the biggest one with Pakistani tested in Chagai-I.

Fireball Radius/Area: 280 meter/0.25 sq kilometer
Radiation radius/Area (500 Rem): 1.16 Km/4.25 sq Kilometer
Air Blast radius/area (5 psi): 2.5Km/19.6 sq Kilometer
Thermal radiation/area: 3.05Km/29.3 sq Kilometer


Here is damage potential for a 60Kt nuke in air-burst (most efficient mode), the biggest one with India tested in Pokhran-II.

Fireball Radius/Area: 310 meter/0.31 sq kilometer
Radiation radius/Area (500 Rem): 1.16 Km/4.22 sq Kilometer
Air Blast radius/area (5 psi): 2.75Km/23.8 sq Kilometer
Thermal radiation/area: 3.48Km/38 sq Kilometer

Regarding fallout: For the size of Nukes that India and Pakistan have, there is zero fallout.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

So get this into your brain: Getting nuke is similar to being hit by a hurricane head on. It is akin to a natural tragedy, but unless you are USA or Russia with thousand of multi-megaton bombs like Czar Bomba, you could only mildly damage your opponent. Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki are flourishing cities today. If you want to destroy Delhi alone, you would need 50 Nukes, which is half of your arsenal, provided BMD shield of India does not work. On a good day, Indian BMD shield could stop 100% of your attack.

In Indo-Pak nuclear war, all Pakistanis would die, but they would not die of nukes, but would be killed by Indians by hand in revenge, when your army is destroyed and defeated.


So this would happen when you threaten to Nuke everyone, if they do not make India give up Kashmir:

1. You would be laughed out of the room. You nukes are not enough to damage India, let alone world. And they are not big enough to cause fallout. Your threat of "taking everyone down with yourself" does not have a basis.

2. You would prove that you are insane, thus strengthening India's position even more. There would be sanctions on you like there are over North Korea.

3. Countries other than India would also try to take out your nukes, as you would clearly prove that you are deranged. How long before you start distributing nukes to Jihadis in name of Islamic brotherhood?


So go ahead and threaten to nuke everyone and see how well play out for you.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Man,dont scream 'nukes, nukes' like a small kid..neither india nor pakistan will use nukes..period...if at all such a scenario presents itself,india will wipe pakistan before it even thinks of it..don't make such silly threats here..indians are hyper nationalistic..we may have hundreds of flaws within our country but everyone of us will rise in unison at the mere mention of war with pakistan..

It is only in pakistan's well being to have good relations with india...nuclear war is not a child's play..your army knows it very well..that is the reason they ran away with the tails between their legs when india did surgical strikes..all this shout of eet ka jawaab pathar se dengay were just thin air.

Abey Ja yar...Paka mat.....Pakistanis have first strike policy....If you're living near any nuclear plant or near big major city, you should immediately leave because they are the ones who will face enormous heat in first row.

U'll find Pakistanis more mad when it comes to India than vice versa. We are not war mongers...We do the job quietly and calmly. We don't scream like u just like you're doing since URI attack and trying to impress us....

First of all let me tell you that these things doesn't happen on their own. There is always people with vested interest who create such situations which are beneficial to them.

Can't you figure it out that Indian forces are left with no choice but to use force. Kashmiris are getting alienated by these actions of our forces. And it will take many years to bring normalcy back and winning the hearts of Kashmiri again. Doesn't every Indian know these facts ?

What I can tell you that before this present crisis, Kashmiris were enjoying their every fundamental right which are better or at least equal to rights that every Pakistanis has.

But whosoever orchestrated this debacle has done unimaginable harm to India.

What I know is everything was fucking normal until that stupid sitting in New Delhi, decided to kill Burhan Wani and rest of events followed it....

Any attack Minorities Will trigger a fire to burn Kashmir cause once it for all you Not understand this fact Modi wants that Jihadi go berserk and Kill Hindus and Buddhists
its not 90s Any more my friend Media is global Now If you Kill Pundits again Kashmir cause will extinct And This time it will be no mercy

Put this crack pipe down...Kashmiri folks are highly educated...Unlike u they haven't elected terrorist/butcher as their leader...U are trying to equate with them ISIS but it is very pathetic attempt and bound to fail.

 

[A_Poster]

Pakistanis have first strike policy.

And what makes you believe that India does not have first strike policy? Because India said so.


Do you know that BMD,even the original Star Wars one, was never envisioned to defend against a full scale nuclear attacks, but to weather out retaliatory strike after you had done a counterforce strike? India has BMD ,and is buying and improving upon it. Same with SSBNs. in SSBNs, nukes are kept in ready to fire mode and could be fired in minutes. It is a weapon to do superfast counterforce strike on your enemy.


What makes you think that ,in case of war, India would not push its advantage by nuking you before you could nuke India? I mean that there is a school of though which says that it is better to conquer conventionally as India could impose crippling punitive penalties on Pakistan ,in lieu of not using nukes, and ever power in the world would be okay with it, and Indian BMD could easily stop Pakistani nukes as Pakistan could not have more than 210 nukes as it does not have Uranium or Plutonium for more than that; But what stops India from nuking Pakistan in theory?

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

And what makes you believe that India does not have first strike policy? Because India said so.


Do you know that BMD,even the original Star Wars one, was never envisioned to defend against a full scale nuclear attacks, but to weather out retaliatory strike after you had done a counterforce strike? India has BMD ,and is buying and improving upon it. Same with SSBNs. in SSBNs, nukes are kept in ready to fire mode and could be fired in minutes. It is a weapon to do superfast counterforce strike on your enemy.


What makes you think that ,in case of war, India would not push its advantage by nuking you before you could nuke India? I mean that there is a school of though which says that it is better to conquer conventionally as India could impose crippling punitive penalties on Pakistan ,in lieu of not using nukes, and ever power in the world would be okay with it, and Indian BMD could easily stop Pakistani nukes as Pakistan could not have more than 210 nukes as it does not have Uranium or Plutonium for more than that; But what stops India from nuking Pakistan in theory?

Wow....The only difference b/w Pakistanis and Indians is former don't argue who win nuclear war because everyone will lose...These are highly sophisticated nukes unlike those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

If you're that confident regarding your safety from our nukes....Please I beg you to start war...It'll be fun, they say, it'll be fun.

Enjoy our tactical nukes (for your army) and conventional nukes (for your civilians) at same time.....Happy ending..... It is great fun and proud feeling when you go out of your way to hurt the enemy 5 times bigger in area and resources. Pakistanis will show you how it will be done. Pakistan is not that wide, if one looks at map, so if India launch nukes on us, your own states will get affect and radiated but if we launch nukes, your country is so wide and deep that radiations of our nukes won't affect us. U are at total lost when it comes to nuke war. U will lose everything 5 times more than Pakistan. Being smaller has its own advantages.

Your BMD may let feel you secure and increase cost for Pakistan but if shit hits the fan, you hope it won't, we will steam roll you with everything we got in our inventory...Lets see how you save your ***.

 

[Kaniska]

Wow....The only difference b/w Pakistanis and Indians is former don't argue who win nuclear war because everyone will lose...These are highly sophisticated nukes unlike those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

If you're that confident regarding your safety from our nukes....Please I beg you to start war...It'll be fun, they say, it'll be fun.

Enjoy our tactical nukes (for your army) and conventional nukes (for your civilians) at same time.....Happy ending..... It is great fun and proud feeling when you go out of your way to hurt the enemy 5 times bigger in area and resources. Pakistanis will show you how it will be done. Pakistan is not that wide, if one looks at map, so if India launch nukes on us, your own states will get affect and radiated but if we launch nukes, your country is so wide and deep that radiations of our nukes won't affect us. U are at total lost when it comes to nuke war. U will lose everything 5 times more than Pakistan. Being smaller has its own advantages.

Your BMD may let feel you secure and increase cost for Pakistan but if shit hits the fan, you hope it won't, we will steam roll you with everything we got in our inventory...Lets see how you save your ***.

Just wasting time in arguing over Kashmir. Pakistan can get Kashmir only throgh defeating India...Till that point, you can argue and fight with Indians in PDF only...This is a hard fact...

Kashmir valley contribute 0 to Indian growth story. And it is in a corner of my country...So India can well afford the situation where another generation of Kashmir valley kids waste their generation in fighting any war..Nothing will happen in rest of India...It was always business as usual for us and it will remain like that too.

So let us know when you are starting a war, till that point enjoy some humorous time in PDF..

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Just wasting time in arguing over Kashmir. Pakistan can get Kashmir only throgh defeating India...Till that point, you can argue and fight with Indians in PDF only...This is a hard fact...

Kashmir valley contribute 0 to Indian growth story. And it is in a corner of my country...So India can well afford the situation where another generation of Kashmir valley kids waste their generation in fighting any war..Nothing will happen in rest of India...It was always business as usual for us and it will remain like that too.

So let us know when you are starting a war, till that point enjoy some humorous time in PDF..

We are not that stupid o start a war under the shadow of nukes....Its you and your thug prime minister RSS and company , who have been itching for war....War mongering has been happening from India's side not from Pakistan...

Pakistan will use tactical nukes only when we see a large number of Indian troops, outnumbering us, gaining advantage against us...

As far as Kashmir is concerned...They will be free, one way or other...either through dialogue or through war OR humans can kiss goodbye to their asses in South Asia as mushroom clouds will be all over place...

Occupying Kashmir will definitely hurt India ; damaging its international image and making it pariah in front of whole world...

 

[Kaniska]

We are not that stupid o start a war under the shadow of nukes....Its you and your thug prime minister RSS and company , who have been itching for war....War mongering has been happening from India's side not from Pakistan...

Pakistan will use tactical nukes only when we see a large number of Indian troops, outnumbering us, gaining advantage against us...

As far as Kashmir is concerned...They will be free, one way or other...either through dialogue or through war OR humans can kiss goodbye to their asses in South Asia as mushroom clouds will be all over place...

Occupying Kashmir will definitely hurt India ; damaging its international image and making it pariah in front of whole world...

So you are not starting a war...period...rest of your statements is just do not add any value as i see it as a frustration from your side...Do not worry about us or international image of India...We know how to maintain our integrity as well as national image around the world unlike Pakistan...