AUSTERLITZ
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China doesn't want to lead ASEAN, looking at past and present indicators, the ASEAN countries are not an after thought, but it is but one small part of the puzzle, and all China wants is for it to be peaceful and cooperative. So that we can spare more attention to the rest of the world.
China wants no colonies but tributary states, states that would bow to our supremacy, but still independent enough that we don't have to do anything for you.
This has more or less maintained peace for thousands of years, while in the west any attempts at peace failed and wars raged forever until a similar system where the US reign supreme happened.
So say what you will, unless there's one dominate power that can dictate things somewhat fairly, you will have problems.
IF Indonesia wants to lead? Fine, it's big enough to do so, probably, but instead of standing up to China, Indo should look to improve ties with China and be the dominate player in the region.
US is outside intruder, eventually China will be strong enough to push them out, that's not a predication, that's just fact. The only argument that one can make that wouldn't support this, is Chinese are inferior to Americans as a people, period, no reason, just is. And if that's your reason, then....
Arguments are fine, but if you fight a bigger guy, there's a certain zone you don't go into, there's a certain things that you don't say, unless you really want to get killed.
And this tributary mentality and obsolete superiority complex will lead to china being encircled and strangled.Its inevitabel and the chinese have only to blame tehir own sinocentric mentality.Too bad,china actually had the potential to be something great....now just another soon wannabe empire in the long list of failures.