Calm dissection of Delhi riots from a non-Hindutva perspective

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Here you go sherlock... I'm not good at playing games...

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...zenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12

again obfuscation...I referred to british Census data from 1941...that clearly shows Hindus being 15% of WEST PAKISTAN in 1941....that reduced to less than 2 percent in 1951 and the went upto 2.5 percent present day....I am saying host that 15 % in West Pakistan and then we can hear all your chastisement...the article you quoted is not clear on West Pakistan pre-1947

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Here you go sherlock... I'm not good at playing games...

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india...zenship-amendment-bill-bjp-1627678-2019-12-12

Secondly, Pogrom here is being used in context ... organized massacre.
Lastly, Pakistan(west Pakistan) took in 5.3 million muslims... a good chunk more than those who left.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

again obfuscation...I referred to british Census data from 1941...that clearly shows Hindus being 15% of WEST PAKISTAN in 1941....that reduced to less than 2 percent in 1951 and the went upto 2.5 percent present day....I am saying host that 15 % in West Pakistan and then we can hear all your chastisement...the article you quoted is not clear on West Pakistan pre-1947

Okay, to get it straight, again! You are looking to have the immigration due to partition overturned? Pakistan gets its hindus back and RSS rashtra takes Muslims that immigrated to Pakistan....

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Secondly, Pogrom here is being used in context ... organized massacre.
Lastly, Pakistan(west Pakistan) took in 5.3 million muslims... a good chunk more than those who left.

5.3 million didnot constitute whole of Indian Muslim populace Muslims constituted 9.3% of India even after Partition...so that makes the point moot...as I said Muslims held significant advantages in all three areas of British India while Hindus/Sikhs/Dharmics got depopulated from two....It is this unequal share of demographic power that Hindutvabadis are vehemently against.they want Bangladesh to again have 33 percent Hindus, Pakistan to have 15 percent Hindus....

Okay, to get it straight, again! You are looking to have the immigration due to partition overturned? Pakistan gets its hindus back and RSS rashtra takes Muslims that immigrated to Pakistan....

Exactly...!!!!

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

5.3 million didnot constitute whole of Indian Muslim populace Muslims constituted 9.3% of India even after Partition...so that makes the point moot...as I said Muslims held significant advantages in all three areas of British India while Hindus/Sikhs/Dharmics got depopulated from two....It is this unequal share of demographic power that Hindutvabadis are vehemently against.they want Bangladesh to again have 33 percent Hindus, Pakistan to have 15 percent Hindus....



Exactly...!!!!

You know that ain't happening. But, the earlier might! Your hinduvadi will instead reduce current state of India into rubble...
And now buzz off for heaven sakes ... your hinduvadis new law doesn't allow new Muslim migration from it's neighbors... needless to say killing existing residents.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

You know that ain't happening. But, the earlier might! Your hinduvadi will instead reduce current state of India into rubble...

They will just hold sway unless Muslims of India start to see themselves sons of the soil rather than descendants of Invaders...the present Muslim mentality in the subcontinent makes them as much part of the problem as the most rabid of Hindutvabadis...but more importantly I put the blame squarely on the feet of Eminent Marxist (Hindu) Historians of Nehruvian Era who tried to whitewash history and potray the white man as the only reprehensible evil that ever visited upon the subcontinent

 

[CrazyZ]

State sponsored pogrom against a minority.......Not much to dissect.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

They will just hold sway unless Muslims of India start to see themselves sons of the soil rather than descendants of Invaders...the present Muslim mentality in the subcontinent makes them as much part of the problem as the most rabid of Hindutvabadis...but more importantly I put the blame squarely on the feet of Eminent Marxist (Hindu) Historians of Nehruvian Era who tried to whitewash history and potray the white man as the only reprehensible evil that ever visited upon the subcontinent


Hindus are just as Unelightened as the rest of the Non-Western crowd so they will be just as beholden to parochialism as much of the non-Hindu brown world has been through different periods in recent history

Hmm... you sure like trash talking from the side of your mouth...
Keep the blame where it belongs, your own kind! Thank Brits for granting these borders to "India" a supposedly pluralistic state, whatever. Muslims came here, they stayed there... unlike your lords of yore! Today you take a swipe at your own kind while sitting smug ... making all wise remarks in the midst of ones you fetish. Don't use skin tones to describe people's actions, taking either higher road or professing your biases. Though, hinduvadis somehow are buried head deep in this skin color business ... somehow disconnected in a parallel universe where no one really gives a flying fig, I mean, who would? They don't generally exhibit features currently in vogue, though...

Anyways, I have wasted enough time.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Hmm... you sure like trash talking from the side of your mouth...
Keep the blame where it belongs, your own kind! Thank Brits for granting these borders to "India" a supposedly pluralistic state, whatever. Muslims came here, they stayed there... unlike your lords of yore! Today you take a swipe at your own kind while sitting smug ... making all wise remarks in the midst of ones you fetish. Don't use skin tones to describe people's actions, taking either higher road or professing your biases. Though, hinduvadis somehow are buried head deep in this skin color business ... somehow disconnected in a parallel universe where no one really gives a flying fig, I mean, who would? They don't generally features currently in vogue, though...

Anyways, I have wasted enough time.

replace white man for British if that makes it more comprehensible for you...I do think the problems in the subcontinent are intractable and won't be resolved by a polite conversations between two souls whose ancestors have sought domicile in foreign countries..,the only point I am trying to make is that the Indian Leftist have a marked animus towards British/Europeans while the India Hindutva have the same animus towards Muslims/Islamic triumphalism

 

[El Sidd]

State sponsored pogrom against a minority.......Not much to dissect.

you would think but alas Enndians

British

Why only british colonialism? German colonialism is verboten by AfD?

What about the Dutch and Portuguese?

Or its haram due to Brexit?

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

you would think but alas Enndians



Why only british colonialism? German colonialism is verboten by AfD?

What about the Dutch and Portuguese?

Or its haram due to Brexit?

We are talking of the subcontinental context..and the British were dominant there...The Germans did invent the Concentration Camp several decades before the Holocaust, and they routinely did kill the Jews for several Hundred years before the rise of Hitler...That Germans try to dodge societal level culpability by pinning it all on Nazism and Hitler is exasperating

 

[El Sidd]

We are talking of the subcontinental context..and the British were dominant there...The Germans did invent the Concentration Camp several decades before the Holocaust, and they routinely did kill the Jews for several Hundred years before the rise of Hitler...That Germans try to dodge societal level culpability by pinning it all on Nazism and Hitler is exasperating

No Dutch, German, French or Portuguese ever colonised the territories in what is today modern state of Pakistan.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

No Dutch, German, French or Portuguese ever colonised the territories in what is today modern state of Pakistan.

So at least on somethings we are in agreement

 

[El Sidd]

So at least on somethings we are in agreement

Yes but genocide of Muslims in India is still off the table Nazi pothead.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Yes but genocide of Muslims in India is still off the table Nazi pothead.

No genocide can happen in modern times..Even the most rabid Hindutvabadi understands that..the moment a genocide happens, is also the moment the state loses its legitimacy..at maxx only the same tactics can be carried as the ones employed by the Chinese state on the Uyghurs--->But I have been informed by Eminent Pak intellectuals on pdf that everything is hunky dory there