Businesspeople meet COAS ahead of FY22 budget presentation

[Norwegian]

Stop bringing these two words up, find the root cause of it. Why are other countries not like us?

It is explained in detail in this book here. Pakistan has a unique history. Even before establishment of Pakistan, voters in this region voted based on political kinship

Book Review – Political Kinship in Pakistan | Bloomsbury Pakistan

bloomsburypakistan.org

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Using state machinery for your personal ambitions is normal?

The image you are quoting is not a personal ambition PS but sympathy to Victims of abuse, rape and killings. Every executive head of a state or country needs to do this as he represents the people who voted for him.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Politicians interfering in the workings of police and bureaucracy is normal? Posting transfer for political gains is normal? Using state machinery for your personal ambitions is normal?
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iss ki tu ungly kaat ke ais ki ............... me daal deeni chahee.
He has interfere with everything, from police to establishment and in the judiciary.
These two scums brothers have destroyed Pakistani society with their corrupt practices.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

It is explained in detail in this book here.

Bro there are hundreds of books written on Generals Meddlings since 1947.

 

[Norwegian]

Is this a normal behaviour!! I am not worried about Justice Shaukat, he is a patsy of Sharifs. But with the same token Bajwa has no right to interfere in any issues outside of PA.

No it's a normal behavior because Pakistan is not a normal nation. It is run through complex networks of political kinship where top civil military brass has deep connections with each other. Justices like Shaukat and Faez Isa are not fighting for constitution and rule of law but to help corrupt people like Nawaz Sharif back in power. They are part of the problem not the solution.

Book Review – Political Kinship in Pakistan | Bloomsbury Pakistan

bloomsburypakistan.org

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

In Normal countries, these are the examples.

Major general jailed for Dorset school fees fraud

Maj Gen Nick Welch claimed to live in London rather than in Dorset near his children's schools.

www.bbc.co.uk

Two-star general jailed for fraud which 'put morale and discipline of troops at risk'

Maj General Nick Welch lied about his wife living with him in London so they could claim back nearly £50,000 in school fees

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Norwegian]

In the last 73-years, not a single Pakistan Army General is capable of winning an election after retirement, yet they all think they have the capacity to be the unelected President.

Shame on Pakistan Army.

They don't need to. When their boot polish politicians can run in the elections for them.

In Normal countries, these are the examples.

Major general jailed for Dorset school fees fraud

Maj Gen Nick Welch claimed to live in London rather than in Dorset near his children's schools.

www.bbc.co.uk

Two-star general jailed for fraud which 'put morale and discipline of troops at risk'

Maj General Nick Welch lied about his wife living with him in London so they could claim back nearly £50,000 in school fees

www.telegraph.co.uk

In normal countries

S Korea court upholds ex-leader's 20-year jail term - BBC News

A final Supreme Court ruling upheld a reduced sentence for disgraced former president Park Geun-hye.

www.bbc.com

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sentenced to 6 years in prison

Olmert, who was found guilty of two counts of bribery in the Holyland corruption case, says he will appeal the sentence and the verdict to the Supreme Court.

www.haaretz.com

In Pakistan jailed politicians on corruption:

 

[Ace of Spades]

"Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart—and that is the weakest of faith"

No one is holy cow in Pakistan; justifying one's acts because others are also wrong is moral bankruptcy.

Call spade a spade and by bringing everyone under rule of law is when Pakistan will truly change.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

It is run through complex networks of political kinship where top civil military brass has deep connections with each other.

The British needed this to control undivided India, it's 73 years now. Time to get rid of the Victorian mindset.

 

[Norwegian]

"Whosoever of you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart—and that is the weakest of faith"

No one is holy cow in Pakistan; justifying one's acts because others are also wrong is moral bankruptcy.

Call spade a spade and by bringing everyone under rule of law is when Pakistan will truly change.

Yes. End political kinship system in Pakistan first. Who is going to implement rule of law and constitution when top civil military brass has deep connections with each other?

Book Review – Political Kinship in Pakistan | Bloomsbury Pakistan

bloomsburypakistan.org

 

[Ace of Spades]

They don't need to. When their boot polish politicians can run in the elections for them.
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In normal countries

S Korea court upholds ex-leader's 20-year jail term - BBC News

A final Supreme Court ruling upheld a reduced sentence for disgraced former president Park Geun-hye.

www.bbc.com

Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert sentenced to 6 years in prison

Olmert, who was found guilty of two counts of bribery in the Holyland corruption case, says he will appeal the sentence and the verdict to the Supreme Court.

www.haaretz.com

In Pakistan jailed politicians on corruption:
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Isn't it a shame that you have to justify acts of a head of a respectable institute by giving examples of goons and absconders?

 

[Norwegian]

The British needed this to control undivided India, it's 73 years now. Time to get rid of the Victorian mindset.

Yeah who will do that? Who will end Biradari politics? Who will stop politicians interfering in police and bureaucracy? Problem is not just top army brass but also civil brass

Isn't it a shame that you have to justify acts of a head of a respectable institute by giving examples of goons and absconders?

Respectable institution that violated constitution of Pakistan multiple times, implemented martial laws, gave NROs to corrupt politicians?

 

[Awan68]

This old buffoon is an insult to the uniform.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Under normal circumstances, the COAS or the Fauj shouldn't be indulging in matters of politics or business. But circumstances are not normal in Pakistan. Pak fauj will continue to have a role in civilian life as well for some time at least. Not least being the lack of adequate managerial firepower at the top level in Pakistan. Faujis and retired faujis can provide that.

Right thing is to create an institutional framework for this. Specifying what is that the Fauj/COAS can do and cannot do in civilian life.

Regards

 

[Ace of Spades]

Respectable institution that violated constitution of Pakistan multiple times, implemented martial laws, gave NROs to corrupt politicians?

Again; not the institute but the individuals sitting on top and there has been no accountability or even a public discourse to make culprits answerable. I said it in another thread of mine; which you've mentioned as well, this paitipara mentality where act of an individual or individuals is seen as an attack on the institute and everything wrong is defended and anyone questioning such acts is labelled anti-institution. This can't continue like this if Pakistan has to truly progress.