Bursting The Bharti Bubble

[MilSpec]

^^^ we cannot win from you in deception and distorting facts.
That is the biggest fact.
You as a country has powerful media and friends all over the world.
Who ever speaks the loudest is right and the rest are wrong and you are able to speak very loud .
Eventually Kashmir issue won't be solved by diplomats as India knows that the people of Kashmir want to be with Pakistan for the last 60 years and with all their might, military or otherwise India hasn't been able to change that and that's why insurgency only in Indian Kashmir by Kashmiri people and no such thing in Pakistani Kashmir
Pakistan has supported the born right of Kashmiri people since 1947, their right to choose which country they want to be with,and kargil was part of the same ongoing story.
The peaks was initially taken over by Kashmiri mujahideen and PA saw the opportunity and went on to support them and had all the success.
PA was then told by civilian government that USA has brokered a deal with India and they should leave their positions and come down and that's what they did and were shot in the back by cowards.
Even today the most important mountain top is held by PA which India couldn't take back.
If India had such a massive victory then why PA is still sitting in kargil ?

I will repost as it seems relevant

. please do find a single shred of evidence of any declaration, treaty, ceasefire mandated by both countries.

The official response of pakistani government was that belligernts in the combat were Indian army and independent mujhideens...

If pakistan signs any ceasefire, that means it represents militant organisations like lashkar e taibba, jaish e muhamod harakat ul ansar, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen al bandr etc which were reported to occupy kargil....

What your interpretation points is (from the informed opinion of the your friends in rawalpindi), that pakistan apparently did the bidding for terrorists.....

So there can be two scenarios:

1> there was no ceasefire agreement, as i am aware of. India did not sign any ceasefire document and neither did pakistan, making territorial cleansing of insurgents legitimate (also endorsed by pakistan, as there was no interference to bombing operations )

2> your alleged, ceasefire agreement of pakistan on behalf of terror outfits (mujhideens), which implies pakistan as a conspirator for infiltration across the LOC and in violation of the signed shimla agreement which reads "In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations."

Logic seems to be under-rated... isn't it?

 

[karan.1970]

Funny that the words of a Bhagoda criminal who is designated as a proclaimed offender and a fugitive by Pakistani courts (so no rabid calls for proof in this case) have more importance for some fanboys than the words of a army general who served his full term and is still living in Pakistan and those of their ex prime minister..

If its a prostitute.. then its obviously a pakistani..

La'hore

 

[Ayush]

These stories help a nation sleep well.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

^^^ we cannot win from you in deception and distorting facts.
That is the biggest fact.

I"ll take that as a complement if true.

Eventually Kashmir issue won't be solved by diplomats as India knows that the people of Kashmir want to be with Pakistan for the last 60 years

And someone was talking about distorting facts.

and with all their might, military or otherwise India hasn't been able to change that and that's why insurgency only in Indian Kashmir by Kashmiri people and no such thing in Pakistani Kashmir

Why was there no insurgency prior to post-Soviet war in Afghanistan, why didn't Kashmirs welcome those participating in Operation Gibraltar?

As insurgency on Pakistanis side, India did not choose to cause trouble there. The place India chose to do so is an independent sovereign state today.

Pakistan has supported the born right of Kashmiri people since 1947, their right to choose which country they want to be with,and kargil was part of the same ongoing story.

Like the time in 1947 with savage tribals bent upon pillage and rape.

The peaks was initially taken over by Kashmiri mujahideen and PA saw the opportunity and went on to support them and had all the success.

PA was then told by civilian government that USA has brokered a deal with India and they should leave their positions and come down and that's what they did and were shot in the back by cowards.

The bolded parts seem contradictory.

If above is true, then its bigger humiliation for Pakistan and triumph for India.

Even today the most important mountain top is held by PA which India couldn't take back.

Tiger Hill was recaptured by India

If India had such a massive victory then why PA is still sitting in kargil ?

Complacent civilian leadership on Indian side.

 

[perplexed]

Actually after going through the pakistani tin-thank replies again, as a true pakistani hater, I wish that pakistanis continue to believe that they were victorious.

I just wish they keep lying to themselves so much so that the running they have to do just to keep them at the same place and avoid being blown away by all the lies they conjured up over the decades makes them exhausted.
they won't have any time to focus on the REAL problems in their country.. ie their failing economy.

For any country like INdia no blessing can be bigger than the fact that their main military adversary has people at every level with misplaced priorities !!

Keep it up pakistanis. You won Kargil.. Cheers to that !!!

 

[OrionHunter]

General Pervez Musharraf, who was Pakistan's No 1 soldier during the Kargil conflict, lifts the curtain on the ground realities.

Mush??? Really?

He burst not the 'Bharti bubble' but burst his own a$$ by lying through his teeth in an interview recently that it were the Kashmiri 'Freedom fighters' that fought at Kargil!!

So much for Mush's credibility!!! I think he needs to get back to Pakistan and start smoking smuggled Hi-Q Afghan weed instead of the adulterated stuff he gets in the UK! Jeeez! This man sucks, and how!

 

[third eye]

Every once in a while a man is entitled to feel good. More so, when there is little else to feel good about do Pak posters pull out something from their mental archives of a story that could have been a ' victory; for Pakistan.

Kargil is one such story.

Pak generals have shown aggression & initiative all along - Op Gulmarg ( 47-48), Op Gibraltar, Laungewala and kargil to name a few. However, this has been accompanied by complete absence of knowledge of conduct of warfare. All these actions have been like those conducted at unit / sub unit level by young subalterns - the Gung Ho - lets do it , ' dekhi jayegei" type.

How else can one describe the glossing over of the reaction of the enemy to your hair brained ideas ? With no regard to logistics, air cover, contingency planning & so many things that lead to success in battle.

Did Mush really think that cutting the road axis to Leh would starve Siachin ? There must be professionals in the PA too. They would have advised him on aspects like winter stocking, stock levels , an alternate road approach to Leh via Manali which shows even on a tourist road map !

Next, the Indian reaction. This is something Pak Generals have forever underestimated . Not sure if this has left them any wiser ( evidently not) but definitely sadder.

The success of wars are NOT determined by will a local battle or capturing a height. What matters is did a nation / army achieve its stated objectives for going to war ? India's objective in 71 was to dismember Pakistan & remove the thorn on its Eastern side once & for all - achieved.

Its for the Pak posters to evaluate which if any objective was achieved by Pak & what cost ??

Till then let the ' feel good ' atmosphere prevail - after all every one must feel good once in a while.

 

[Iggy]

Created a thread about bursting Bharati Bubble and now Pakistani bubble is bursting loud and clear!!

 

[third eye]

Created a thread about bursting Bharati Bubble and now Pakistani bubble is bursting loud and clear!!

The aim is not be cynical but from what I read here posted by Pak poster, Pakistan has forever been a nation of ' missed chances'.

The villain has always been someone else - never those whose fault the chance was missed due to ! The Pak Army.

 

[Iggy]

Think about the Hypocracy of some members here!!


India initiated the peace process here.. Our PM visited your country..

Your PM went to greet him knowing the infilration plan..

While we were discussing about the peace, your general was sending your Army to take over Kargil Hills..

There was a mood of peace in sub continent. A Pakistani Girl Noor become the sympol of peace between India and Pakistan..

And then you guys spoiled it big time.. Now you guys are accusing of Treachery?

Indians are butt hurt coz Musharraf acutely puts them in their place, Indians ran out of coffins for their dead soldiers, no wonder the world witnessed Kargil coffin corruption. [/I

Atleast we provided them coffins and send the bodies to the families.. They were buried with full honour.. Can you say that about your soldiers??

Their bones are still decaying in Kaffir's territory..

I had army frieds from Rawalpindi who fought during Kargil war and its their words.
I rarher beleive them than some internet commentors.

Offcource, you have friends..

This is now the new trend here in PDF.. Dont have any evidence to proove your claim, tell that you have friends or relative who knows it!!

 

[KRAIT]

Kashmir is Pakistan's land taken over by India..Its not that hard to understand why both armies are standing in front of each other since 1947..or did you sleep during your history lessons??...PA was there to take back their right..Its as simple as that...
But our sold out Politicians couldn't take stand..

If Kashmir is Pakistani land and Kashmiris are Pakistani people then why did you send terrorists which killed over 50,000 innocent civilians in bomb blasts etc. Basically Pakistan is responsible of Genocide of Kashmiris.

Pakistan can send its Army to do the fighting. But you and I both know, Pakistan can't attack via conventional means. Isn't sending terrorists a lost cause.

And why does Pakistan send terrorists in Mumbai which is thousands of miles away from Kashmir.


Because of Paksitan, Kashmir has become a conflict zone with decades long presence of Military. War crimes happen in this situation. So Pakistan is as responsible for war crimes as India.

 

[Koovie]

You failed to get Kashmit. You retreated.


PERIOD. Keep your BS with you.

 

[indushek]

Do the senior Pakistani Members replying here realize that by stating that Pakistani regulars were involved in the conflict they are accepting that they initiated a war?? till now the official line of Pakistan is that it was the work of mujahideen. Pakistan refused to accept the bodies saying they were not their soldiers!!!!

How is this bursting Indian bubble?? any nation which disowns its soldiers should be ashamed of it. In contrast we see people expressing glee over such assertions by a person who started an unnecessary war and sent the jawans to their death for personal glory. Wow is there anything ironic than this??

 

[Sergi]

Wow general mushi with the new gem

BTW when he is going to grow some balls to return to him own country and face his own judiciary ???

PS: I really loved to read how our Pak members feel about the war. If you hunk you won it..... May your god help you. Kargil was one of the times when your soilders died infront of you and you couldn't do anything. Your great land army didn't even accept the bodies of deceased. Thank god it was IA who respectfully buried the corps.

You were unable to give final respect and recognisation to your own soilders and you talk about bravery and victory. That's lame

 

[rockstarIN]

I'm waiting another 1971 bubble to burst. (with net centric tales)