Bursting The Bharti Bubble

[Iggy]

Kashmir is a part of Pakistan??

Is that mean, all those cry over Azad Kashmir was an Hogwash??

So all these years, Pakistan was making a fool out of Kashmiries by giving them false hope about Free Kashmir??

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

war is lost, many officers and think tanks from pak called it a failure and criticized musharaf but still windy's kargil fetish never ends.

 

[IND151]

That was the usual Indian treachery..
made a deal of retreat..and when Pakistani soldiers started retreating as per the accord..then instead of giving them safe passage..India being India shot them in the back...

kindly give source(reliable not rupee news. An official source, quoted by PA or GOP would suffice)

 

[nair]

All indians here would have understood the quality of the content in the thread by reading the heading and the thread opener....

The OP started a thread with a beautiful caption without realising (or being over confident) that the actual bubble is created by mush and there are some crazy fans trying to blow air into a thin bubble to make it bigger and bigger..... Every time you burst their bubble they will create another bubble..... Most of the time this bubble was burst by their own generals & their then prime minister....... But there are some fanboys who close their eyes and say........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mushhhhhhhhhhhh cant be wrong......... If he can be soo right i dont understand why the hell is he living in another country..........

 

[Iggy]

kindly give source(reliable not rupee news. An official source, quoted by PA or GOP would suffice)

He don't. He already told that his friend told him that

 

[nair]

war is lost, many officers and think tanks from pak called it a failure and criticized musharaf but still windy's kargil fetish never ends.

when you are not able to digest the truth..... this is what happens

 

[punit]

humko maaloom hai jannat ki haqeeqat lekin dil ko khusH rakHne ko 'GHalib'
ye khayaal achcha hai ...

 

[Ammyy]

General Pervez Musharraf, who was Pakistan's No 1 soldier during the Kargil conflict, lifts the curtain on the ground realities.

Pakistan was in a position to eliminate the Indian Brigade in Siachin,

Pakistan was

Good tactics I think this is the only way to show his face to Pakistani people before election

Because of this stupid person hundreds of Jawan from both side died and Pakistan has to face international humiliation..

 

[anilindia]

Aziz Bursting Mushrraf Bubble...

 

[Bang Galore]

........NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mushhhhhhhhhhhh cant be wrong......... If he can be soo right i dont understand why the hell is he living in another country..........

Shhh.....they probably think he is real smart to have left Pakistan.....now if only he could arrange for a few more visas....Musharraf for Pakistani President....of err...England!

 

[Windjammer]

@Windjammer... Irrespective of what musharraf says to save his image.. the result was international disgrace... and eventual retreat from kargil....

When do post this stuff, just imagine what the commanders went through when they knew their boys were being blown into pieces by IAF and rest of Pak military stood in its boots watching silently....

@sandy_3126

What nonsense man, you are making it sound as if Musharraf held a press conference to boast his image or something, he was just an invited guest on a talk show just like he appeared on Indian TV the other week.
Being the victim of your own media, one doesn't expect you to think past these lines, do you have the faintest of ideas as how many Indian soldiers were killed, when a million strong army runs short of coffins, it leaves little to imagination....have you ever questioned the fact how your media keeps repeating on Pakistan still holding some strategic heights in Kargil....NO.
When an army starts awarding posthumous medals to some living soldier, you can be hell sure it's lost the actual count.

 

[MilSpec]

@sandy_3126

What nonsense man, you are making it sound as if Musharraf held a press conference to boast his image or something, he was just an invited guest on a talk show just like he appeared on Indian TV the other week.
Being the victim of your own media, one doesn't expect you to think past these lines, do you have the faintest of ideas as how many Indian soldiers were killed, when a million strong army runs short of coffins, it leaves little to imagination....have you ever questioned the fact how your media keeps repeating on Pakistan still holding some strategic heights in Kargil....NO.
When an army starts awarding posthumous medals to some living soldier, you can be hell sure it's lost the actual count.

First.. lets get this straight, we weren't stock piling coffins... and neither does the army carry a stock pile of coffins... Next about medals, lets not blow some admin error out of proportion....

No one here is playing any victim card... i have often mentioned that kargil's initial infiltration was a tactical sucess... and later the support, occupation and evacuation all were exceptionally disgraceful tactical failure, as noted by quite a few senior members here too... Political support is better not discussed as I wouldn't like to offend you.

Bu then again maybe kargil was never meant to be a tactical maneuver at all, because in all it was a huge success for parvez musharraf on a personal level... It served as the stepping stone to dislodge sharif and seige power for the next decade...

True pakistan might be holding a few peaks ... but if that was the end objective of kargil, then pat your backs...

And if you are able to cutoff siachen from those peaks.. please do go ahead.. i dont see whats holding you back, there is no shimla agreement or any truce that holds back pakistani army from taking siachen, if that is still acknowledged as the prime goal of kargil...



India:
As for India, our policy makers and planners were indeed caught by surprise and to an extent bought the mujhahideen story for a while... BJP a hardline party in the view of the west wanted to consolidate it's position as a responsible party, and decided to stay within the borders, (pre 9/11 the world was quite different), India's biggest failure was not to capitalize on this oppurtunity and take on Pak military head on in punjab and rajhasthan sectors...I am in now way saying it would be a cake walk, i am sure India would take losses, maybe even more than pakistan.. but our economy would have recovered, and pakistani losses would have taken way way longer to absorb the cost of fighting India. Kargil indeed was a missed opportunity for India. For pakistan on a tactical level, it was an embarrassment...

 

[KRAIT]

Kashmir is a part of Pakistan??
Is that mean, all those cry over Azad Kashmir was an Hogwash??
So all these years, Pakistan was making a fool out of Kashmiries by giving them false hope about Free Kashmir??

http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmi...-grenade-blast-jammu-kashmir.html#post3867103

 

[Bang Galore]

[MENTION=37361]do you have the faintest of ideas as how many Indian soldiers were killed, when a million strong army runs short of coffins, it leaves little to imagination...

What rubbish? The army doesn't carry around coffins, I don't know if yours does. You are simply confusing the Coffin scandal which is a different matter of the then Defence Minister having seen coffins used by the U.S. military and deciding that it was better (visually) than the normal practice of army carpenters fabricating coffins(flimsy in his opinion). Those coffins cost about $2000 (I believe) and the opposition went to town arguing that someone was making money. In most cases, Indians if they are Hindus or Sikh tend to cremate & have no use for coffins, so George Fernandes's proposal did have some merit.

When an army starts awarding posthumous medals to some living soldier, you can be hell sure it's lost the actual count.

There are no posthumous medals to be awarded, the confusion was that the person being conferred the Param Vir Chakra shared a name with a deceased soldier. The award was initially awarded to the deceased soldier before the Army HQ realised that it was a different person who was indeed alive(injured but alive) who had committed that act of bravery, reversed their decision & gave him the award. Confusion was understandable even if not ideal. Your point doesn't hold.

 

[Jackdaws]

you did not answered my question who was the head of state, musharraf or nawaz shareef, if you cant answer my question then please dont try to twist and turn in your arguements, i want simple answers here

BTW musharraf got appointed by nawaz himself, some more facts the idiots dont know

btw i dont know what your text books teach you, because this really is epic stupidity at display here

Neither was Head of State - Rafiq Tarar was Head of State.