Burqa 'not welcome' in France: Sarkozy

[Durran3]

I can't possibly think of any rational reason why any woman would chose to wear a Burqa? Remember Hijab and Burqa are two very different things, don't confuse the two. As far as France goes they have been fairly non-religious since the 1770's. Their Republican Revolution was all about escaping aristocracy, monarchy and authoritarianism. The Burqa is indeed a very offensive thing and Sarkozy is spot on that it alienates women.

There are certain things that have nothing to do with infringing on your civil liberties but are about common sense. You want the women of your nation to be smart and energetic not a bunch of wimpy individuals who become outcasts which the Burqa forces you to be.

I am very much against Gun Laws and i don't believe anyone should be owning guns and there are many governments in the world who have banned carrying weapons even though it supposedly steps on your civil liberties to carry firearms. Might as well also legalize drugs no? You may say that hey there is no comparison between guns, drugs and a Burqa but there is. One being a direct harmful threat to you physically where as the other is harmful to you more on a social and mental level and quiet frankly the Burqa is offensive to women
1) Especially if they are living in a well developed country where education is readily available.
2) I see the Burqa as an instrument of sexualizing women since they are born and completely hammering and demolishing their self esteem and willpower.

I see absolutely NO 'Rational' reason behind using it and infact should be banned everywhere...

Now as far as Hijab goes that's a completely different story, i am all for Hijab if the woman wishes. I personally wouldn't want my wife to wear one but that's just me and if any women wishes to wear a hijab she has every right to do so.

I find the Burqa to be quiet dangerous to a woman and shouldn't exist in any civilized country for that matter.

 

[gambit]

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Dude!! what you are saying is like...
'Don't ban slavery because some people like to watch bondage ****'.
If people want the rights to be slave, would you give them?

How is a woman freely choosing to wear a Burqa or Hijab or a Sikh choosing to wear a turban in any way equivalent to choosing slavery?

No, the argument you are making is that a majority can restrain the liberties of a minority at its whim just because it disagrees with them.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I can't possibly think of any rational reason why any woman would chose to wear a Burqa?

As I pointed out earlier, if a woman is being coerced into wearing a Burqa, then the underlying problem is the domestic abuse and attitudes of the men/relatives/figures of influence in the household doing the coercing.

Banning the Burqa does not solve that underlying problem of abuse, intimidation and coercion - effective laws and social assistance programs targeted at educating women about their rights and their options in case of such abuse and intimidation is what is required.

You can't just ban the Burqa and feel happy about 'emancipating women', while some women continue to suffer physical and mental abuse at the hands of men. If abuse and intimidation is addressed, forcing women to wear the Burqa is a problem that is automatically resolved.

This line of justification for the Burqa ban is flawed.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

It is amusing the Europeans are so FRIGHTENED by a simple piece of cloth.....

 

[zombie]

lot of insecure men out there.

 

[Desertfalcon]

In Europe, I don't think it is a "simple piece of cloth" or male insecurity, I think it has to do with changing demographics and European fears of the loss of national identities that they have known.

 

[Durran3]

As I pointed out earlier, if a woman is being coerced into wearing a Burqa, then the underlying problem is the domestic abuse and attitudes of the men/relatives/figures of influence in the household doing the coercing.

Banning the Burqa does not solve that underlying problem of abuse, intimidation and coercion - effective laws and social assistance programs targeted at educating women about their rights and their options in case of such abuse and intimidation is what is required.

I agree with your assessment that the fundamental problem lies in the physical and mental suffering of women at the hands of men but that in itself is a personal/private matter where its hard for the government to get involved unless and until the woman herself goes to the correct authorities and reports of domestic violence. Both Effective laws and social assistance programs are readily available in European, North American or any other developed countries for that matter.

You can't just ban the Burqa and feel happy about 'emancipating women', while some women continue to suffer physical and mental abuse at the hands of men. If abuse and intimidation is addressed, forcing women to wear the Burqa is a problem that is automatically resolved.

This line of justification for the Burqa ban is flawed.

Yes you can ban the Burqa as it has no place in any civilized society. This has nothing to do with Freedom of expression or women continuing to suffer physically and mentally. If women are being forced to wear a Burqa in a place like France she has ample tools at her disposal to take action against the person who is abusing her.

Reasons for Banning

1) It Poses a Security risk. Anyone might lurk under those shrouds be it male or female, muslim or non-muslim.

If i remember Yasin Omer the person responsible for the Train bombings in london tried to escape in a Burqa, even the Maulana in the Red Mosque in Islamabad tried running in it.

2) Complete lack of sunlight is horrible for your body in general as you severly lack Vitamen D

3) The Burqa itself 'Symbollically' represents clear cut oppression. Just like the Nazi Swatsticka is banned in some places so is the Burqa. Its true that its more of a political/ideological thing rather than being a religous one.

The Burqa in general goes against the Ideals of Western Philosophy in general so why wear it in their countries? If you've been born in Wesetern countries chances are your never going to wear a Burqa anyways as you've been brought up in a fairly secular environment no matter how conservative you are .Its as simple as that.. The only people who will cry and demand a Burqa's are hard line religous people or new comers into the country who are going through a culture shock.

Why is Alcohol banned in Muslim countries, isn't that infringing upon our civil rights as well albeit due to religous reasons ?? Simply because It goes against Muslim ideals just like the Burqa goes against theirs.... When in Rome do what the Romans do.. its as simple as that... No one is telling you to sacrifice your culture or your religion but you need to respect theirs as well and the Burqa is not reprsentative of any civilized society

 

[Ratus Ratus]

Lots of really harmful activities are not banned, some are even taxed.

Some activities are even stupid and taxed as well. Not to mention the occasional tax on tax..

So why not tax wearing a burqa.. Seems as logical..
Has a big plus revenue raising ..

 

[gambit]

3) The Burqa itself 'Symbollically' represents clear cut oppression.

Historically speaking, women have usually been under the rule of men. So we can look at this issue from the perspective that the less clothes women are socially enforced to wear, the more social rights and freedoms they have.

 

[niaz]

I see some of guys making harsh comment against Burqa. I suggest you guys think before making nonsense comment especially if you are Muslim. It may not be direct word of Qur’an however it is one of they way women can cover her body which is form of Ibadah. The whole idea of the Hijab is to cover the women sexual body part. How about done is women choice. Shalwar kameez does a fine job in subcontinent though now a days it's losing it original essence as it is being Indianize to core whereas form of gown works in the Arabian Peninsula which is also known as Burqa. There is no disagreement about some form of Hijab however there is option when comes to cover the face. Covering the face is not mandatory as accordance with Islamic scholars.

There are may be some places where women are force to wear Burqa with cover face which is wrong at sometime it also a reality that there are place where women does wear Burqa with pride. For example in USA almost all black Muslim women wear Burqa whereas I have seen Arab, Pakistani and Bangladeshi girls wear skin tight jean and t-shirt with scrap on the head which itself is disgrace and mockery to the word Hijab. What good does it do when her whole body shape appear as almost naked with freaking scrap on the head. Total BS. Wearing a freaking scrap on the head is not Hijab. It is her body that counts not the head. Either comply with Hijab fully or don’t

Bottom line is women must cover their body because Allah orders them to do. It’s she that will face the almighty on judgment day and liable for her action. Islamic society must implement such laws and regulations that comply with the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

I am disappointed by this response. One should not be afraid of disputing practices among Muslims which one sincerely believes is not a command by Allah and may have its origin in tribal customs. I am a Muslim for countless generations and proud of it. If I disagree with a practice considered Islamic when I find no clear cut command against it and supported by conflicting Hadith written 100 years later, I have a right to dispute it. For example only reference I came across ‘Purdah’ which is in Sura Azhab (trench) which is:

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59. O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks all over their bodies . That will be better, that they should be known so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft ¬Forgiving, Most Merciful.

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Shuttlecock burqa, norm in the rural and tribal Pakistan is like a prison, and in my opinion oppressive. If a women desires to wear it of her own free will, it is her choice. I am not for women going around wearing miniskirts, but the woman who insists on wearing burqa, she can always chose to live where it is allowed, why France?

There are many practices prevailing in Islamic societies/countries which have nothing to do with Islam (such as ban on women driving in Saudi Arabia) but to do with the interpretation of a single person.

Another such case is the punishment for adultery in Sura Al Noor which clearly states it is100 lashes, whereas many Ulemas insist that it is stoning by death, supported by a single incident where our holy Prophet (PBUH) reportedly thus decided. There is no ambiguity in the orders of Allah but one cannot completely rule out possibility of misreporting in case of Hadith, thus why should I be afraid of criticising Hudood laws?

 

[Patriot]

Well its their country..they can do whatever they want.If you don't like it get the hell out of there.

 

[afriend]

Well its their country..they can do whatever they want.If you don't like it get the hell out of there.

I think they are talking about Muslims and not immigrants as such..!!!!

 

[Patriot]

I think they are talking about Muslims and not immigrants as such..!!!!

Still that's fine.If Pork and Alcohol is not allowed in Muslim Countries then i am sure France has every right to ban Burqa or Muslim countries should allow their Christian and other religion population to eat Pork and Drink Alcohol freely.

 

[delta]

they should ban the nuns to wear there gowns too
but most of all it shows how weak v muslims r that d french n other non-muslims are dictating our religion to us.
shame on us