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[ziaulislam]

Thank you for posting this. It is indeed thought provoking podcast. The time has come for us to take a decision as to whether we talk about change or become part of the change. One thing appears certain we can no longer be sitting at the fence. We are possibly facing a momentous occasion in our history (I will name it the pheonix moment) where we need to emerge as a nation out of the ashes of the old into a new Pakistan.
One can say that IK is full of faults and I would agree. He is a human being and therefore not without his own weaknesses. I look at the other side and ask myself " Do I give up IK for these goons? Comparing the 2 who will I side up with?" The answer is as clear to me as it is to all of you.
I tend to agree that it is the harder route that IK has taken. Street politics has not achieved much in Pakistan for a very long time. It used to achieve its ends in the 60s and 70s with iconic leaders like ZA Bhutto ( irrespective of his faults) Asghar Khan, Nawab Nasarullah Khan etc. Karachi has not seen a surge in political movements for a very long time mainly because there has not been an emotive movement other than Altaf Hussain which has riled up Karachiites for a very long time. However unlike Altaf Hussain the PTI is a national movement (something AH either never had the vision for nor did his intellect /policies/motto allowed it). For once we have a voice which provides a common platform for everyone to gather together and tear the old system down and formulate a new system which reflects what Pakistan should be like not how the powers that be want to see it as. Will there be problems? Sure. Will this nation be able to overcome these I think/hope so.
What should IK do now?
I think there are 2 aspects that he should now concentrate on.
Firstly rsorganizing the party. This is something which is already in the offing.
Formulate focus groups to tackle the problems a new government of his will face and get the relevant people in place now with short intermediate and long term plans (the most difficult part as it involves people management which PTI has not been good at) and keep them hidden away so they cannot be poached/corrupted.
He will need finances and I do not know where that will come from but perhaps a Shaukat Khanum type party initiative might be the way ahead so the people who finance the movement take ownership of it.
Lastly party discipline must be imposed in a balanced manner
Those are come of the thoughts that come to mind.
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The core issue is PTI wont come in.power because its not popular enough

The old time tested formula of "khata hey tu lagata be hey" works

Spend money and skim 20% on top of it, is acceptable to pakistan. This is the price we have decided to pay. The same way chinese decided to pay freedom of expression price and so on..

Unless i see a 80+% support from current 30-40% no change will happen

As 60% opposition is bigger then 40%

IK thinks i am wrong people dont support corruption but thats not true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506637378093563909

 

[araz]

The core issue is PTI wont come in.power because its not popular enough

The old time tested formula of "khata hey tu lagata be hey" works

Spend money and skim 20% on top of it, is acceptable to pakistan. This is the price we have decided to pay. The same way chinese decided to pay freedom of expression price and so on..

Unless i see a 80+% support from current 30-40% no change will happen

As 60% opposition is bigger then 40%

IK thinks i am wrong people dont support corruption but thats not true

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506637378093563909

Unless SS somehow pulls miracles after miracles out of his rear end the popularity of IK is very likely to rise. It may not reach the 80% but 60 % will give his movement the legitimacy it needs. The problem has always been converting street popularity into votes. However enough mass mobilization will really create problems for these goons in the power.
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[ziaulislam]

Unless SS somehow pulls miracles after miracles out of his rear end the popularity of IK is very likely to rise. It may not reach the 80% but 60 % will give his movement the legitimacy it needs. The problem has always been converting street popularity into votes. However enough mass mobilization will really create problems for these goons in the power.
A

Well i hope i am wrong but my maths says central punjab will vote for PMLN
Thats 90+ seats they will bag and thats game over

 

[Mentee]

Not as low as south punjab

I am from hazara/haripur and i have family in south punjab so dont tell me i dont know

Hazara division pushtoon areas are more backwards (less spending) then hazara non pushtoon areas of haripur/abbotabad

Dude who are you kidding by spreading false assumptions? Since pakhtoon racism caught off guard you now seem to have found a relative in every mazloom qom wow!


The disparity between the South and North is measured in terms of economics because of former's non agricultural, non industrial , feudal peeri mureedi factors .


Seraikis work in the North at will and no one dares ask them for i.d cards but the hazaras , your esteemed relatives, are facing existential crisis via genocide because of how the look and what sect they practice in kp and balochistan .


So when is the pakhtoon elite sitting in Peshawar gonna do something about marginilasing hazraa qom?


The budget per capita of South punjab is larger than North but what percentage of budget do the Hazara region exactly gets allocated in comparison with the pakhtoon ?

Well i hope i am wrong but my maths says central punjab will vote for PMLN
Thats 90+ seats they will bag and thats game over

pakhtoons should follow punjab's and Karachis example and welcome other ethnicities to work and live there without any fear so people bring investments etc .

 

[ziaulislam]

Dude who are you kidding by spreading false assumptions? Since pakhtoon racism caught off guard you now seem to have found a relative in every mazloom qom wow!


The disparity between the South and North is measured in terms of economics because of former's non agricultural, non industrial , feudal peeri mureedi factors .


Seraikis work in the North at will and no one dares ask them for i.d cards but the hazaras , your esteemed relatives, are facing existential crisis via genocide because of how the look and what sect they practice in kp and balochistan .


So when is the pakhtoon elite sitting in Peshawar gonna do something about marginilasing hazraa qom?


The budget per capita of South punjab is larger than North but what percentage of budget do the Hazara region exactly gets allocated in comparison with the pakhtoon ?




pakhtoons should follow punjab's and Karachis example and welcome other ethnicities to work and live there without any fear so people bring investments etc .

When you dont have facts you start jumoing from one to another topic

Fact:
Center is more developed then south because govt spent more on north then south(e.g 500b orange line and budget documents as whole)

Your conculsion:
Center is developed more because of private investment and center being less racist unlike pushtoons who are racists

 

[Mentee]

He will need finances and I do not know where that will come from but perhaps a Shaukat Khanum type party initiative might be the way ahead so the people who finance the movement take ownership of it.

Every single guy I met , who directly dealt with the shoukat kahanam had horrible stories to narrate. It's free ilaaj is a hoax . Either you pay upfront or leave the premises.

 

[ziaulislam]

Go visit hazara division
Pukhtoon areas of hazara division are less developed(so is hazara as a whole)

Chitral is less developed than hazara
South KPK (pushtoon area) is less developed than hazara


You are out of your mind
You are bringing racism into discussion
PMLN isnt racist they spend in center punjab because thats there formula to win
Hence takhta lahore

Every single guy I met , who directly dealt with the shoukat kahanam had horrible stories to narrate. It's free ilaaj is a hoax . Either you pay upfront or leave the premises.

Can you name a few so i can investigate
HOW MANY HAVE YOU REFERRED I HAVE REFERRED 1000s and non had a complain
Apart from those who were incurable and declined treatment

Good you brought this up..i can swear in God that you are liar now
So need to discuss with a paid guy
Good bye

Sho away dont hijack the thread
Go to maryum nawaz so she can give you a pet

 

[Mentee]

Fact:
Center is more developed then south because govt spent more on north then south(e.g 500b orange line and budget documents as whole)

Your conculsion:
Center is developed more because of private investment and center being less racist unlike pushtoons who are racists

Centre gonna be more developed than South because centre has a large agri and industrial base besides a population much educated and larger than south , moreover i can count multiple seraiki cities which have airports, state of the art universities health centres and metro transport authority. If lahore gets it then multan gets it too .


What about hazaras who are abducted taken hostage declared kafir and murdered very often in kp and balochistan?

 

[Wood]

Pakistan has 3 core voters
IK can bring 10 million out that still would mean 1/3 voters only
He bought out surely 1-2 lac people the other day and 3 million on twitter but that isnt enough

You can 4x these number and arrive at 12 million supporters for Imran. This may be good for a majority, but may not be good enough against a united opposition.

 

[Mentee]

Had punjabis been rasict no pakhtoons would have flooded the Punjabi trade centres without any fear or a Kashmir muhajir family would have been voted for that many decades . Why did the kahnsiris end up in punjab and Karachi and not in kp which is nearer in proximity to kp than punjab?


Btw Do the hazaras got their metro yet?

 

[ziaulislam]

Centre gonna be more developed than South because centre has a large agri and industrial base besides a population much educated and larger than south , moreover i count multiple seraiki cities who have airports, state of the art universities and health centres and metro transport authority. If lahore gets it then multan gets it too .


What about hazaras who are abducted taken hostage declared kafir and murdered very often in kp and balochistan?

1- fact
Center gets a larger pie
Your conculsion
I see south has airports

2- fact
peoole get treatment in shauakat khanum i have sent patients myself got few angry patients back that were refused treatment(due to FUTILITY OF CARE)
your conculsion(probably paid)
Shaukat khanum is a scam

Had punjabis been rasict no pakhtoons would have flooded the Punjabi trade centres without any fear or a Kashmir muhajir family would have been voted for that many decades . Why did the kahnsiris end up in punjab and Karachi and not in kp which is nearer in proximity to kp than punjab?


Btw Do the hazaras got their metro yet?

Lol who valled punjabis racist
I didnt
You hwoever did called pushtoon racists

Also get a history lesson who won & fought for kashmir when quaid i azam said so and pakistan british chief of staff refused

And a geography lesson on where kashmir is which part is closest and why kashmiris came to punjab

Am i talking to kid here

 

[Meengla]

The ethno fascists like their leader turned out be Rondo

navaz or zardari whenever they got ousted from power accepted the decision and left without making an epic drama .


Imagine if every party in Pakistan acted like bratty kid , it would've turned into another Afghanistan.



They particularly use this central adjective to went out their frustration over not being in proper control .


we are welcoming to all ethnicities and sects which is the reason they get assimilated pretty quick .

Correct. And keep telling the truth to these cultist fanbois! You'd be roasted in this cultist fanclub forum but you speak the truth.

I stopped supporting Imran Khan because of 3 April 2022 and subsequent days' events. He is a genuine fascist, foul mouthed, dictator. I'd put him in the same category as Zulfi Bhutto except Zulfi had a brain. I regret having to say this now: I was getting excited to see so many reforms going on in Pakistan but the way he acted after 3 April, was unconstitutional. He was literally forced out last minute. The writing was on the wall--there was no way around the NCM--and Imran should have gracefully gone out. It would have raised his profile even more. But he is too arrogant for any graces.

And you are right: Plenty of other parties and personalities have seen the jackboot and judicial excess in Pakistan but they accepted. Imran Khan--with a mere 32% popular vote--came to power with the help of the Establishment and thinks he is some kind of a God??

Coming back to the topic: Of course it is a dumb decision to quit the National Assembly! It would be a God-send for the Opposition!!! They are barely hanging by a thread with their deep hatred of each other and would have fallen on their own sword given a few weeks/months. But now they would rush to have the byelections and consolidate their numbers--and mind you, in Punjab, the PMLN lost many seats to PTI on close margins.

 

[Mentee]

Lol who valled punjabis racist
I didnt
You hwoever did called pushtoon racists

I can cite plenty of real life examples why pakhtoon generally are racist.

How many Afghan refugee are being hosted by kp than punjab?

How many shias and hazaras were targeted based on how the look and what they practice in punjab?

Oh its the land of milk honey kp

Correct. And keep telling the truth to these cultist fanbois! You'd be roasted in this cultist fanclub forum but you speak the truth.

Sir i literally don't care what a rasict gonna think about me ------

Some people have developed this Habit of asking for more and mote without reciprocating much- -----.

A whole sect and an ethnicity is facing genocide at the hands of ethno facists but they are more concerned about a fellow losing vote of no confidence whose name carries a suffix khan .



You take punjab and urban sindh out of the Pakistani equation and this country may collapse over night ----- back to settling tribal scores .

 

[Mentee]

@WebMaster
Racists detected
Go **** yourself

Stop killing shias and hazara and open up for the rest of Pakistan .

 

[Meengla]

Sir i literally don't care what a rasict gonna think about me ------

Some people have developed this Habit of asking for more and mote without reciprocating much- -----.

A whole sect and an ethnicity is facing genocide at the hands of ethno facists but they are more concerned about a fellow losing vote of no confidence whose name carries a suffix khan .



You take punjab and urban sindh out of the Pakistani equation and this country may collapse over night ----- back to settling tribal scores .

I am not following the ethnic angle you are putting here. But I have said before that except for urban Punjab and urban Sindh, most other Pakistani communities have too rigid socioeconomic practices such as confining women from the economy. I have met Pakistanis with such minds even in north America, living here for decades.

You and I need to keep telling the fanbois here: Imran Khan is not some God! Yes, he is sincere, yes, he is personally not corrupt, and yes his party has been the least corrupt since the 1970s, and yes he was introducing some good reforms, and yes, like others, I too am tired of the same old faces as in the Opposition. But that doesn't given Imran Khan the right to defy the laws of the land. He was totally reckless. The guy didn't care about the NCM until late in March, didn't care about the so-called Cable. It was when MQM dumped him that he realized what was really coming; by the way, it was the same MQM which was made to support him after the 2018 elections by the same Establishment which he and his followers are cursing now.