Burn your boats

[Mentee]

Shah Qehmood Qureshi Khusro Bakhtiar aur bhi bahut hain

Acha g ?

Saara tareen Khan or Aleem Khan group to side p ho gia , yeh 3 ministers Rh gy

 

[Mentee]

Central Punjab is incorrect term. The areas of Pakistani Punjab which are called central were centre of east and west Punjab. Pakistani Punjab ki wo eastern side ha

The ethno fascists like their leader turned out be Rondo

navaz or zardari whenever they got ousted from power accepted the decision and left without making an epic drama .


Imagine if every party in Pakistan acted like bratty kid , it would've turned into another Afghanistan.

Central Punjab is incorrect term. The areas of Pakistani Punjab which are called central were centre of east and west Punjab. Pakistani Punjab ki wo eastern side ha

They particularly use this central adjective to went out their frustration over not being in proper control .


we are welcoming to all ethnicities and sects which is the reason they get assimilated pretty quick .

 

[ziaulislam]

Shabash daaktar Saab

Tareen or Aleem ko b central punjab l khaatay my dal do . Name a single feudal from South punjab which stood by I.k ? Instead they lead the charge against him.


Apnay ilaaky m welcoming policy bnao ta k log vaha abad ho , population increase p qouta increase ho education p focus kro or competitive exams k ley special syllabus maangna band kro . Tm logo ki to zameen paleet ho jaati hai koi bahir sy a jay .



In the Pakistani politcal context he rightly said so

Anti Pakistan Pakhtoon Ethno fascist orgs like Anp , Mohsin Dawr and jui'f are living examples of dealing with the imperial u.s , the same country responsible for bombing Afghanistan.

Sure remove aleem khan and put somw other industrialist from lahore..i thought aleem khan was from central punjab

Mohsin dawr is nobody..he
Only won because IK didnt contest at his seat presumbly to give them some air. He wont win again ..

We discussing elections here not one seaters like ANP, PTM( Dont know hiw you think 1 seaters out of 250+ assembly is even relevant

The ethno fascists like their leader turned out be Rondo

navaz or zardari whenever they got ousted from power accepted the decision and left without making an epic drama .


Imagine if every party in Pakistan acted like bratty kid , it would've turned into another Afghanistan.



They particularly use this central adjective to went out their frustration over not being in proper control .


we are welcoming to all ethnicities and sects which is the reason they get assimilated pretty quick .

What ever you want call the most educated part/highest per capita area of pakistan from where most of industrialists, beurocrats, judges and judicary comes from

Call it lala land if the term central punjab offends you

 

[ziaulislam]

Bro, also, I’m a 90s kid. I remember what happened in Karachi in the 90s, how goons of PPP went around gunning people down. Say what you will, she has blood on her hands.

Ofcourse
And i remember 2010-2018 era of drones and model town

 

[Mentee]

What ever you want call the most educated part/highest per capita area of pakistan from where most of industrialists, beurocrats, judges and judicary comes from

Call it lala land if the term central punjab offends you

Its because they don't consider them some nonsense chosen race , pay their and others bijli gas bijli on time . People would always want to get settle in punjab than some ethnic hel hole coz they get equal rights and protection .

We discussing elections here not one seaters like ANP, PTM( Dont know hiw you think 1 seaters out of 250+ assembly is even relevant

Same like pti has become irrelevant in punjab. Peeri mureedi kon afford kry bhai?

 

[ziaulislam]

Its because they don't consider them some nonsense chosen race , pay their and others bijli gas on time . People would always want to get settle in punjab than some ethnic hel hole coz they get equal rights and protection .

Sure what does paying bills has to do with calling central punjab the most educated, developed and influential part of pakistan that supports PMLN?

i am trying to figure out what do you mean?

And why calling it central punjab is bad
And what name should we call it?

I cant group the south punjab with central..the percapita, maternal mortality, child mortality as well THE AMOUNT GOVT SPENDS OVER THERE PER CAPITA is far less then central punjab

 

[SecularNationalist]

The power is with the populace right now. Make it or break it.

PTI and IK already won again in the eyes of public.
That's what scares those traitors.
Their victory is a phyric victory.

 

[ziaulislam]

E.g 450 billion orange train is more then 10 years of development speding of south punjab

PTI and IK already won again in the eyes of public.
That's what scares those traitors.
Their victory is a phyric victory.

Wrong

Public opinion is divided by 40% in favour 60 against IK.

The One against him think the offcial states polciy is right(beggers cant be chooser/PMof pakistan)

Rural kpk, central punjab and rural sindh doesnt agree with him

Among these three central punjab matters the most as like any country the developed part has most influence

For example california matters more then west virginia

 

[Mentee]

Sure what does paying bills has to do with calling central punjab the most educated, developed and influential part of pakistan that supports PMLN?

Ok , well iam sorry people in the other parts of Pakistan can't get their act together amd build industrial cities like sailkot etc. Keep on asking the givt to fix things for you.


Voting for pmln of yhe bygone era is still way better than voting for ehtno faisxts like ABNP AND JUI F .


People mean business so they vote who ever brings stability etc even if it means keeping a muhajir in power . When are you guys electing an hazara c.m let alone voting an outsider?

 

[ziaulislam]

Its because they don't consider them some nonsense chosen race , pay their and others bijli gas bijli on time . People would always want to get settle in punjab than some ethnic hel hole coz they get equal rights and protection .



Same like pti has become irrelevant in punjab. Peeri mureedi kon afford kry bhai?

Agree PTI WAS and IS irrelevant in central punjab

"Peeri mureedii" isnt for educated people its the thing of south punjab. Educated people care about inflation. In pakistan they are okay if tht means money laundering and being a beggers cant chooser person

Ok , well iam sorry people in the other parts of Pakistan can't get their act together amd build industrial cities like sailkot etc. Keep on asking the givt to fix things for you.


Voting for pmln of yhe bygone era is still way better than voting for ehtno faisxts like ABNP AND JUI F .


People mean business so they vote who ever brings stability etc even if it means keeping a muhajir in power . When are you guys electing an hazara c.m let alone voting an outsider?

You guys use to say that about bengal too

Dont spend a penny in south punjab and then say they cant get their act together

Look where bengal is now

Indians use to say that about punjab too

Regardless, i was wondering since i cant call central punjab central punjab what should i call it??

 

[Mentee]

E.g 450 billion orange train is more then 10 years of development speding of south punjab

Feudals from South punjab been getting way more than hazara region can ever imagine .

You guys use to say that about bengal too

Yeah you guys like AYUB , Yahya and and a plethora of racist khans and bhuttos.

 

[ziaulislam]

Feudals from South punjab been getting way more than hazara region can ever imagine .

Wait where did hazara division comes in? Isnt that KPK?
And do you have any budget documentz to support south punjab PER CAPITA spending is EVEN close to central punjab spending??

Before 18th amendment things were even more centralized

 

[Mentee]

Wait where did hazara division comes in? Isnt that KPK?

Not it is a division on paper while in reality hazara is a deprived part of kp coz of race issues even by their owm standards . I hope the persecuted hazaras who dont even get a mention in mainstream media get their fare share from pakhtoons

And do you have any budget documentz to support south punjab PER CAPITA spending is EVEN close to central punjab spending??

Imo it gets almost 40% of dev budget even though it's population is lesser than some northern punjab cities.


Do hazara even get a third tier university or the peshawari elite gobbled up those funds as well

Like South and northern both regions of punjab got their metro transport system do hazaras even get a sarkari bus station ?

 

[ziaulislam]

Not it is a division on paper while in reality hazara is a deprived part of kp coz of race issues even by their owm standards . I hope the persecuted hazaras who dont even get a mention in mainstream media get their fare share from pakhtoons



Imo it gets almost 40% of dev budget even though it's population is lesser than some northern punjab cities.


Do hazara even get a third tier university or the peshawari elite gobbled up those funds as well

Like South and northern both regions of punjab got their metro transport system do hazaras even get a sarkari bus station ?

There is no such thing as "IMO"
there are hard facts

Central punjab per capita spending was almost 10x more

Has 10x more HDI and 10x less maternal and child mortality

Not it is a division on paper while in reality hazara is a deprived part of kp coz of race issues even by their owm standards . I hope the persecuted hazaras who dont even get a mention in mainstream media get their fare share from pakhtoons



Imo it gets almost 40% of dev budget even though it's population is lesser than some northern punjab cities.


Do hazara even get a third tier university or the peshawari elite gobbled up those funds as well

Like South and northern both regions of punjab got their metro transport system do hazaras even get a sarkari bus station ?

Sure hazra is deprived as per capita spending there is lower

Not as low as south punjab

I am from hazara/haripur and i have family in south punjab so dont tell me i dont know

Hazara division pushtoon areas are more backwards (less spending) then hazara non pushtoon areas of haripur/abbotabad

Back to the point of what should we call central punjab ? Any suggestions?

 

[araz]

Thank you for posting this. It is indeed thought provoking podcast. The time has come for us to take a decision as to whether we talk about change or become part of the change. One thing appears certain we can no longer be sitting at the fence. We are possibly facing a momentous occasion in our history (I will name it the pheonix moment) where we need to emerge as a nation out of the ashes of the old into a new Pakistan.
One can say that IK is full of faults and I would agree. He is a human being and therefore not without his own weaknesses. I look at the other side and ask myself " Do I give up IK for these goons? Comparing the 2 who will I side up with?" The answer is as clear to me as it is to all of you.
I tend to agree that it is the harder route that IK has taken. Street politics has not achieved much in Pakistan for a very long time. It used to achieve its ends in the 60s and 70s with iconic leaders like ZA Bhutto ( irrespective of his faults) Asghar Khan, Nawab Nasarullah Khan etc. Karachi has not seen a surge in political movements for a very long time mainly because there has not been an emotive movement other than Altaf Hussain which has riled up Karachiites for a very long time. However unlike Altaf Hussain the PTI is a national movement (something AH either never had the vision for nor did his intellect /policies/motto allowed it). For once we have a voice which provides a common platform for everyone to gather together and tear the old system down and formulate a new system which reflects what Pakistan should be like not how the powers that be want to see it as. Will there be problems? Sure. Will this nation be able to overcome these I think/hope so.
What should IK do now?
I think there are 2 aspects that he should now concentrate on.
Firstly rsorganizing the party. This is something which is already in the offing.
Formulate focus groups to tackle the problems a new government of his will face and get the relevant people in place now with short intermediate and long term plans (the most difficult part as it involves people management which PTI has not been good at) and keep them hidden away so they cannot be poached/corrupted.
He will need finances and I do not know where that will come from but perhaps a Shaukat Khanum type party initiative might be the way ahead so the people who finance the movement take ownership of it.
Lastly party discipline must be imposed in a balanced manner
Those are come of the thoughts that come to mind.
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