Buner falls without a fight

[IceCold]

So IC,

You are happy with the immunity given to murderers of TTP ?

Regards



DAWN.COM | + Pakistan | Swat deal gives Taliban immunity: Sufi

Will just stop spreading disinformation and quoting dawn news again and again. Already a Pakistani member did expose yet another article you just posted earlier.
As for me being happy or not, is of no concern to you, i have openly opposed the implementation of sharia law as stated in numerous posts of mine however along with that what all of you people are forgetting here is that people of SWAT actually supported sharia law and in such circumstances GOP or army cannot move against the will of the people. Just yesterday you Mr AN was happily posting about how east Pakistan got separated,bashing Pakistan for violating the rights of its own citizens how can you justify here or even say so that PA should move against the will of the people and show it as a sign of weakness on part of the PA and make it look like as if Pakistan as a state has surrendered to Taliban.
You don't understand the dynamics of these areas and so it is useless for me to carry on this debate with you, you or Indians for that matter can form whatever opinion you may like or you may want too, does not matter, what matters is stop spreading disinformation because it suits the flavor.

 

[IceCold]

Ice

What's your behind so sore about? You an Islamist or a Muslim? If you are the former, be forewarned, no mercy! None of this I was a kid, I did not know - accountablity will find you. Pakistan forever, Talib dead, islamist terror, dead.

Am I getting through to you?

What is this? Coming from a TT member. Seriously you want a reply try putting up your post in a better fashion, something worth reading and replying.
A piece of advice, try opening up a bit, hear the other side as well, wont hurt you. Try welcoming a difference in opinion, creates an atmosphere for a healthy discussion rather then saying you are exposed and that too without something to back your claim up.

Hope i am getting to you, through you has yet to come.

 

[Always Neutral]

Will just stop spreading disinformation and quoting dawn news again and again. Already a Pakistani member did expose yet another article you just posted earlier.
As for me being happy or not, is of no concern to you, i have openly opposed the implementation of sharia law as stated in numerous posts of mine however along with that what all of you people are forgetting here is that people of SWAT actually supported sharia law and in such circumstances GOP or army cannot move against the will of the people. Just yesterday you Mr AN was happily posting about how east Pakistan got separated,bashing Pakistan for violating the rights of its own citizens how can you justify here or even say so that PA should move against the will of the people and show it as a sign of weakness on part of the PA and make it look like as if Pakistan as a state has surrendered to Taliban.
You don't understand the dynamics of these areas and so it is useless for me to carry on this debate with you, you or Indians for that matter can form whatever opinion you may like or you may want too, does not matter, what matters is stop spreading disinformation because it suits the flavor.

How did he expose the article other than telling me some crap about how he would drive on the highway ? Infact atleast my article had reputable pakistani links compared to his being at the most an in-accurate monolgue with no proof.

He also avoided answering any of the valid question I asked similiar to your present loss of words.

I have asked a simple no-brainer question and it has nothing to do with Sharia being implemented in Swat !

I repeat once again do you agree about the IMMUNITY granted to the TTP murderers by the SWAT deal ?
Regards

 

[SurvivoR]

Its a pakistani journalist from a reputed Pakistani news paper giving us this news and not the CIA, however once again as Muse says you have missed the forest to hit the trees. You have not answered any of the questions (I )actually the journalist has asked other than pointing out difference of traffic density found on M4 and M25. After all the TTP did drive to Buner with weapons openly or is that a figment of everyones imagination to.

Regards

No we did not missed the forest to hit the tree. Because TTP drived to Buner from Swat and not through the way which was mentioned by this Pakistani journalist. And i know how much reputed it is.


And what other questions asked by him are all based on his lies in the first place, because

1. The Bakery and the shopping center run by army Jawans on the road is not dumped with weapons. If any of you have ever visited Nowshera this bakery and the shopping center is just next to Daweoo Bus stand and if you want to know the reality just enter these two and see for yourself that those runing it are few people and armless they are not supposed to be there to counter highly trained militants with heavy weapons.


2. And above all the militants did not drove to enter Buner through this Nowshera-Mardan but they entred from Swat bordering Bunner.


3. The road leading to Punjab Regiment center is blocked even for the movement of locals and people from Nowshera had been protesting this blockage and by the way where this centre is located it only leads to inside cantonment in circles and it does not lead to Buner atleast.


4. why should army come in action without any order from the democraticly elected goverment. It is the responsibility of the civilian administeration and local police to come in action if any such movement had taken place, NOT THe ARMY.

Therefore arguments or in other words lies of this journalists for some dollars can only please anti-Pakistan elements but the locals in NWFP are very much familliar with roads and demography. Such journalists can befool the west, US and others but not locals.

 

[SurvivoR]

How did he expose the article other than telling me some crap about how he would drive on the highway ? Infact atleast my article had reputable pakistani links compared to his being at the most an in-accurate monolgue with no proof.

He also avoided answering any of the valid question I asked similiar to your present loss of words.

I have asked a simple no-brainer question and it has nothing to do with Sharia being implemented in Swat !

I repeat once again do you agree about the IMMUNITY granted to the TTP murderers by the SWAT deal ?
Regards

you can have your opinion which pleases you i have mine based on ground realities and based on first hand information not what the dollar earning journalists.

Have a good day.

Oh by the way the latest is that murderers have started laying down arms.

 

[Always Neutral]

No we did not missed the forest to hit the tree. Because TTP drived to Buner from Swat and not through the way which was mentioned by this Pakistani journalist. And i know how much reputed it is.


And what other questions asked by him are all based on his lies in the first place, because

1. The Bakery and the shopping center run by army Jawans on the road is not dumped with weapons. If any of you have ever visited Nowshera this bakery and the shopping center is just next to Daweoo Bus stand and if you want to know the reality just enter these two and see for yourself that those runing it are few people and armless they are not supposed to be there to counter highly trained militants with heavy weapons.

So 100 men in along convoy drive past and no one sees them. What about intercepting them on the way back. Suppose 1000 heavily armed men drive to islambad the PA will wave them through ?

2. And above all the militants did not drove to enter Buner through this Nowshera-Mardan but they entred from Swat bordering Bunner.

Please provide an alternate link to back your claim otherwise it lacks substance unless you were driving with them.

3. The road leading to Punjab Regiment center is blocked even for the movement of locals and people from Nowshera had been protesting this blockage and by the way where this centre is located it only leads to inside cantonment in circles and it does not lead to Buner atleast.

All the more reason for the Punjab Regiment to be alert. We don't want another Police academy walk around.

4. why should army come in action without any order from the democraticly elected goverment. It is the responsibility of the civilian administeration and local police to come in action if any such movement had taken place, NOT THe ARMY.

Because the FC and Police are too scared and have turned tail. The last institution left hopefully is the Army.

Therefore arguments or in other words lies of this journalists for some dollars can only please anti-Pakistan elements but the locals in NWFP are very much familliar with roads and demography. Such journalists can befool the west, US and others but not locals.

The West does not have the Taliban "carressing the bottoms of girls" here in the name of flogging so its better you be more aware about their intentions.

Regards

 

[wtf]

No, it's the high idiot quotient

Muse, I agree with all your logical arguments. But I also agree to the Moderators opinion that Sarcasm and personal attacks will not sustain a discussion board.

The poster said he speaks Urdu as a way of saying that he cares about Pakistan and for some reason he is worried about RAW. Adding a claim that he is an idiot will not make him accept that Taliban is the real problem. Hopefully links to sources he considers neutral will. In as much as it is to the benefit of Pakistan, you should try and convince him. (Maybe not much benefit, but he may join a pro-Pak-govt rally in Canada or something - that is still a benefit).

Another reason that he/she might be angry is that everyone is piling in - The Indian flag next to the post immediately biases the opinion. Everyone sees it as Indians boasting or claiming superiority. There are people with UK flag and US flag posting and again that can be seen as a "I told you so' response from UK/US. So when everyone is piling in, the response is to fight back.

Either way, his opinion may be wrong, but not stupid. He seems to care about Pakistan, which is actually a good thing. Convince him how his opinion may be wrong and let the discussion move on.

Again, absolutely agree your views that it is a time for people to face up to the problems.

 

[wtf]

Oh by the way the latest is that murderers have started laying down arms.

Thank goodness! By any chance do you have links ? What I have is that Taliban has banned display of guns after Nizam-e-Adl

DAWN.COM | - NWFP | Taliban ban display of weapons in Swat

This may be a good thing. They are transforming into a conventional fighting force and Pakistani Army will find it much easier to fight them than one which hides amongst the people.

 

[SurvivoR]

Thank goodness! By any chance do you have links ? What I have is that Taliban has banned display of guns after Nizam-e-Adl

DAWN.COM | - NWFP | Taliban ban display of weapons in Swat

This may be a good thing. They are transforming into a conventional fighting force and Pakistani Army will find it much easier to fight them than one which hides amongst the people.

Yes and the banning of the display is also for Taliban not only locals who by the way were already not carrying any in the public.


By the way why you did not post the entire news. Hypocracy. dont hide let the world know that militants have agreed to lay down arms after sharia regulation is signed.

 

[muse]

Another reason that he/she might be angry is that everyone is piling in - The Indian flag next to the post immediately biases the opinion. Everyone sees it as Indians boasting or claiming superiority

That by itself is justification of the high idiot quotient -- seeing a flag makes him lose his better judgement? And that's not idiocy?

Sarcasm cannot sustain argument? Possibly, but what I want from Am in particular is to be open about his bias, he is simply pro-Islamist and seeks to hide behind "Agnostic" -

Now we all have bias, it's part of our "training" but AM uses that as cover, playing a double role if you will and I think it gives Islmaists on this forum an unfair advantage and worse still it gives them the opportunity to express support for noxious notions dressed up as "islamic" -- imagine referring to inhumane caricatures of laws as "islamic" and yet that is exactly what is going on.

 

[SurvivoR]

MINGORA: The Swat Taliban have imposed a ban on display of weapons in market places, urban areas and even the Imamadheri centre, saying there is no need of taking arms if the Islamic Shariah has been enforced in letter and spirit.The decision was taken on the appeal of Tehrik Nifaz-i-Shariat Muhammadi chief Maulana Sufi Mohammad, Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan said.

Muslim Khan told the media by phone that they took the weapons around for the sake of imposition of Shariah and have succeeded in achieving this goal.

‘The Taliban are ready for any cooperation in the quick implementation of the Nizam-i-Adl regulation,’ he added.

The spokesman welcomed the passage of NAR from the National Assembly and paid homage to President Asif Ali Zardari and legislators for their quick decision in this respect.

He hoped now the Islamic law would soon be implemented in letter and spirit.

He said the meeting of Tehrik Taliban shura would soon be called to devise a future line of action.

‘Weapons are an ornament of Pakhtuns, but now that Shariah has been enforced in Malakand, there will be no need of arms anymore,’ the Taliban spokesman said.

To another question he said, Jihad (holy war) would continue till the Day of Judgment, vowing to play their due role for supremacy of Islam and Ummah

http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...fp/taliban-ban-display-of-weapons-in-swat--zj

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Now we all have bias, it's part of our "training" but AM uses that as cover, playing a double role if you will and I think it gives Islmaists on this forum an unfair advantage and worse still it gives them the opportunity to express support for noxious notions dressed up as "islamic" -- imagine referring to inhumane caricatures of laws as "islamic" and yet that is exactly what is going on.

Muse,

Whether I believe in the tooth fairy, aliens from the Planet Zorn, or worship the Sun has no bearing on on my arguments.

What I choose to call myself is my choice, my beliefs and convictions my own, and I am comfortable with them and stand by them.

It is none of your business questioning what my beliefs are or are not nor is this is a thread for that purpose.

Once again, if you wish to engage in discourse with me, do so on the basis of my arguments, not on what you perceive my beliefs to be.

P.S: Please refrain from personal attacks such as calling other members 'idiots' as well, the same for the rest of you - report such a post, do not respond to it.

 

[Stumper]

dont hide let the world know that militants have agreed to lay down arms after sharia regulation is signed.

I GUESS, they have only agreed to ban on Public Display of arms. They are not laying down arm's.

 

[muse]

Some here are forgetting that we had a conversation about how the govt hoped to sell this to Pakistanis - those who have forgotten that conversation are now repeating the same things that we said would be how the govt will sell this failure as.

Try to comprehend - Armed men, islmaist terorists, with crazy ideas they say are Islam have taken over parts of Pakistan -- where do you stand?? With Pakistan or with the terrorists.

It's just that simply -- but some here and elsewhere want to confuse the issue, they want you to discuss the various facets, types - all the while, Talib is taking more and more and more of what was once pakistan.

What must you do??? Yes, What must YOU do about this??

The least you can do is decide where you stand, with Pakistan or with the Islamist terrorists? Your decision has consequence, stand with Pakistan. Always with Pakistan

 

[S-2]

More to the point, you can expect that some entity will be rigorous in their enforcement of said ban. Weapons, naturally, being the ultimate arbiter, the taliban know what the Pakistani state hasn't. Ornamental or not, it's time for all weapons to be taken out of the public's hands except for those invested by the state to make legalized violence.

I applaud what they've done. I only regret that this wasn't done by your nat'l gov't years ago to preclude the rising to power of such entities. This is intended to identify, rapidly, any potential threat to the new prevailing power. Nothing else.

Very clever but this is raw consolidation of power executed with a maestro's touch and in virtuoso style.

All hail the conquering heros of SWAT. Now it's on to Buner.