British Indians best off among minority ethnic groups: report

[Śakra]

Britain’s Indian community by and large has avoided the “worryingly large” income gap experienced by other ethnic minority groups in the country that continues to persist despite recent gains, a report published on Monday suggests.

The report by the Resolution Foundation, which examined typical household incomes by ethnicity, found “significant differences”, with white communities (either British or from beyond) earning over 30% more than other ethnic groups.

However, within Britain’s black and minority ethnic (BME) communities, Indians are the best paid, followed by Britain’s Chinese community, according to data collected over the last three years.

While the median household income of white Britons remained between £27,000-£25,600, the median for the Indian community stood at around £25,300.

Vulnerable groups
This is not the case for many of Britain’s other large ethnic groups, with British Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, and black Africans earning 35%, 34% and 22% respectively less than the white British median. “After taking housing costs into account the disposable income gap between typical white British households and Bangladeshi households increase to £9,800 (44%),” the report notes.

While the gap had begun to narrow within the Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities, the report notes that it remains “worryingly large”. The report warns that with some £14 billion of imminent welfare cuts, the situation is likely to worsen for some communities.

The report also notes sharp differences between patterns of home ownership and employment rates.

“Ethnicity can therefore be an important lens through which to view the distribution of living standards in Britain… Some challenges may come from specific cultural factors, others from demographic characteristics such as age, and length of time spent in the U.K. Others will stem from the U.K.’s complex history of immigration…. and the changing pattern of discrimination, integration and social attitudes that has accompanied this,” says the report, which has based its analysis on official household survey.

Among the influencing factors were employment rates, including for women. While the rate of employment of Indian-origin women is lower (around 60%) than the rate among the wider white population, it remains well above levels of other minority groups. Employment rates for men of Indian origin also remain high at around 80%. Of all the ethnic groups, , including white communities, Britain’s Indian community is also least likely to live in social housing.

The latest figures will add to concerns in the country around the fairness of pay, and income inequality. The government estimates that people in ethnic minority households are almost twice as likely to live in poverty as white people. In August last year, the government announced an audit to tackle racial disparities in “public service outcomes”. “The public will be able to check how their race effects how they are treated on key issues such as health, education, and employment,” the government said at the time.

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Interesting data


@Nilgiri @gslv mk3 @Loafer

 

[Indus Pakistan]

So it seems by and large bengedashis have failed in Britain.

Interesting fact. Pakistanis are always a statistical enigma. On paper they are at the bottom. But then there are tell tale signs that show things don't add up. So Pakistanis as we know are at bottom of the statistic heap. But hey how come they get mortages/cash to buy houses? All this when conservative culture means effectively Pakistani familes have one hand tied as wife does not work. Home ownership rates Paks stand at 60% only slightly lower than Indians.

Source > http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7706

 

[El Sidd]

Wow racist thread

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Interesting fact. Pakistanis are always a statistical enigma. On paper they are at the bottom. But then there are tell tale signs that show things don't add up. So Pakistanis as we know are at bottom of the statistic heap. But hey how come they get mortages/cash to buy houses? All this when conservative culture means effectively Pakistani familes have one hand tied as wife does not work. Home ownership rates Paks stand at 60% only slightly lower than Indians.

Source > http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7706

Our median income on paper is MUCH lower than what it is in reality because Pakistanis in the UK have large undeclared income and we avoid paying tax as much as possible.....................

 

[Pakistani E]

Interesting fact. Pakistanis are always a statistical enigma. On paper they are at the bottom. But then there are tell tale signs that show things don't add up. So Pakistanis as we know are at bottom of the statistic heap. But hey how come they get mortages/cash to buy houses? All this when conservative culture means effectively Pakistani familes have one hand tied as wife does not work. Home ownership rates Paks stand at 60% only slightly lower than Indians.

Source > http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7706

Also, another important factor to keep in mind is that a large number of British Pakistanis are descended from mill workers etc, basically working class people who suffered like the rest of the White working class after the collapse of the mills, industries etc, especially in the North and Midlands. I am certain that if you were to compare the median income etc for British Pakistanis and White British in the North, it would be very similar.

I've lived in the North and South both, and the above is what I have noticed in my opinion.

Our median income on paper is MUCH lower than what it is in reality because Pakistanis in the UK have large undeclared income and we avoid paying tax as much as possible.....................

This is very true, and frankly nothing to be proud of yar.

 

[Kyoto]

In the north (where the majority of Pakistanis live) they are worse off, but in the south around London we are doing as well as if not better than Indians in education and income. Indians still have as much of a corner shop stereotype as a doctor one.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Our median income on paper is MUCH lower than what it is in reality because Pakistanis in the UK have large undeclared income and we avoid paying tax as much as possible.....................

I already know. PKF let's face it, we Paks are masters at hiding money from the taxman. I have no idea whether that is something to be proud about I know our community are rip-off merchants. I know myself business owners who are on paying zero tax (some are even bloody getting rebates) and ae making £1,000s a week with £100ks cash hidden away mostly invested in houses or shifted to Pak via the dodgy money transfer dudes. You know your in a Pak area in UK when you see a dodgy looking "Travel Agent" who also offers money exchange behind closed doors. I know some who shift £100ks a day without anybody being the wiser.

Then you have taxi drivers showing they are working 4 hours because of dodgy backs but doing 12 hour shifts 7 days a week. In between having dodgy accidents and claming £100ks of compensation while contining to work. These are just the menial types. The smart ones are locked into even grander things. We are a dodgy, dodgy people to boot just like our country. And that is why our home ownership rates almost match Indians despite our wives sat at home watching bloody Bollywood movies.

 

[El Sidd]

14 - 15th August

Brownies still fighting whose doing better under the whities.

Guys come back.

Serve the nation

 

[Śakra]

Our median income on paper is MUCH lower than what it is in reality because Pakistanis in the UK have large undeclared income and we avoid paying tax as much as possible.....................

Ah the typical "but our shadow economy is X size we are actually much richer". Sure whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Also, another important factor to keep in mind is that a large number of British Pakistanis are descended from mill workers etc, basically working class people who suffered like the rest of the White working class after the collapse of the mills, industries etc, especially in the North and Midlands. I am certain that if you were to compare the median income etc for British Pakistanis and White British in the North, it would be very similar.

I've lived in the North and South both, and the above is what I have noticed in my opinion.



This is very true, and frankly nothing to be proud of yar.

the north south divide is real and people typically earn less up north than down south with some exception in larger northern cities like preston, manchester and leeds. i live up north and have been down south and the differance is real.
as for indian earning more, its to do with how your brought up, iv'e seen pakistanis and indian well off and some hugely successfull, especailly in the north.

an indian example is euro garages which own 500 petrol pumps across the uk and revenues hundreds of millions of pounds. and pakistanis have accrol papers which the 3rd largest paper manufacturer in europe and revenues millions too.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Serve the nation

We do. We fly PIA when we go to Pak despite the shoddy service. We build houses in Pak despite corrupt officials wanting money at evdery corner. We deposit money in Pak banks despite our leaders sending their ill gotten (well truth be told lot of ours is also ill gotten but lets ignore that) and our money spent on cars, houses, travel etc feeds into the local economy and keeps hundrends of locals employed. would you rather us come back and sit on charpoys smoking Hokahs all day?

Ah the typical

It's not typical he has a point. You can detect it. For exampe look at home ownership rates. Paks are only slightly behind Indians at 60% despite beinh way behind on all other indicators. Think, how the hell can they get the significant cash needed to buy houses? This mis-match is indicative of undeclared income. In fact many have a problem because these days it's very difficult to show lots of money pop out without something solid trail that HMRC can see or else money laundering comes into the frame. I know cases where houses are sold at lower price and cash is given underhand to avoid tax man asking questions. Another way is watch the cars Paks drive in UK.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

So it seems by and large bengedashis have failed in Britain.

@The Eagle and Other @mods

Your input sir?

@Philia @UKBengali @damiendehorn

What do you guys think about the suppa Indian race? (Dont know if they're Apache, Comanche or Red Indian. Have to ask them)

 

[Blue Marlin]

. I know cases where houses are sold at lower price and cash is given underhand to avoid tax man asking questions..

if you dont do that then your a fool.

its easy, find a house you fancy for sale lets say at £500k, track down the owner via land registry. then simply say i have money abroad and money here i will pay "upfront" 250k and the other 250k from the money abroad or even parts in cash. the last bit is very sketchy and should be done if you know the seller really well.

 

[Śakra]

It's not typical he has a point. You can detect it. For exampe look at home ownership rates. Paks are only slightly behind Indians at 60% despite beinh way behind on all other indicators. Think, how the hell can they get the significant cash needed to buy houses? This mis-match is indicative of undeclared income. In fact many have a problem because these days it's very difficult to show lots of money pop out without something solid trail that HMRC can see or else money laundering comes into the frame. I know cases where houses are sold at lower price and cash is given underhand to avoid tax man asking questions. Another way is watch the cars Paks drive in UK.

Read your own link

"Owner-occupation is least common in London and more common in the South of England and in Wales."

Indians

Indians overwhelmingly live in more expensive areas (London) as opposed to the much cheaper Bradford. You're comparing apples to oranges in order to make yourself feel better.

In the north (where the majority of Pakistanis live) they are worse off, but in the south around London we are doing as well as if not better than Indians in education and income. Indians still have as much of a corner shop stereotype as a doctor one.

Just under 60 per cent of British Pakistanis are living in relative poverty, while for Indians the figure is closer to 25 per cent. Indians are better represented in the top jobs than even the White British, while Pakistanis are significantly underrepresented. 12 per cent of doctors are Indian, while many Pakistanis are clustered in low-skilled professions; indeed, one study found as many as one quarter of Pakistani men drove taxis.

https://www.demos.co.uk/blog/why-are-british-indians-more-successful-than-pakistanis/

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Indians overwhelmingly live in more expensive areas (London) as opposed to the much cheaper Bradford. You're comparing apples to oranges in order to make yourself feel better.

No. If they live in Bradford the income is also lower. It's mot like your in a area where prices of houses are lower but incomes are higher. This evens out the score. A teacher in London gets a London weighting but the houses are more expensive including everything. In the north the income is lower but the housing and other costs reflect that. Most Pakistan moved from Pak were poor and went straight to mills in the north. That is why most are there. So while the prices of housing is cheaper but the pay is lower as well. Thus a fair comparson of Paks in the north is with other English in the north as @Sher Shah Awan pointed out.

My brother got married to a girl in Luton on what is by northern standards a good salary (£70k) and she owns a house that is about $600k but the real living standard could be purchased in the north for half of thart. So your argumant is a non starter. As you said you should not compare apple with oranges. The northerners have to be measured against other northerners. I am from the north but I am not going to measure myself against somebody in London because income is higher there. I will look at his living standard.

You might have a point if Paks lived and worked in London but then bought houses in the north. That is emphatically not the case.