Britain's biggest warship uncovered

[Dash]

i think china has developed long range hypersonic ground to sea missiles just to counteract the nimitz class carriers.

no other country has these.

because they are the only country who want to have it...haha

 

[ptldM3]

Are the pictures fan art or based on the real thing?

 

[muse]

It must have carriers. Losing carriers means losing the navy and hundreds of years of knowledge, experience and institutions

So exactly why does the UK NEED carriers? Empire days are gone, and given the global financial crisis, those days are not about to return anytime soon? Is the UK planning to go to war against US or France or Russia?

And if it does NEEDt carriers because of some strategic (thus far unknown) reason - why these vulnerable little things ?

 

[Jigs]

So exactly why does the UK NEED carriers? Empire days are gone, and given the global financial crisis, those days are not about to return anytime soon? Is the UK planning to go to war against US or France or Russia?

And if it does NEEDt carriers because of some strategic (thus far unknown) reason - why these vulnerable little things ?

Their new one will be over 65,600 metric tons. It is really just force projection. UK wants to be able fight in any part of the world like the case was with the Falklands Campaign. They don't want to lose that capability.

 

[muse]

That's certainly ambitious, imagining the future as if the past.

 

[Jigs]

Well if they had the capability and it proved useful. Why not keep and improve it. Only makes sense.

 

[muse]

It's just that it's a different world, and it will be even more different - that particular capablity did not prevent any attack on the English mainland - it is a purely offensive weapon for a country, that increasingly will have to be more circumspect about the power and influence of others - unless it's looking for a fight that is.

 

[Jackal]

sexy warships...does britain have the best navy???

Depends on what you mean by best? Best trained, best experienced, yes. The captains of our submarine fleet are known to be considered to be the best trained in the world....That said, a lot of admirals, captains and who not from around the world have studied at the Britannia Royal Naval College in Dartmouth because they believe its the best place to train. Japan for example, modelled her navy on the UK's and even built a college that looks exactly like the one in Dartmouth, they even went to the extent of purchasing the exact same building materials from the same suppliers...Which is quite something.

Reminds me of a discussion that was actually told when two admirals from the UK and US met.

US admiral says to the British Admiral: 'So, whats it like having the second biggest navy in the world?'
British admiral replies without missing a beat: 'Very good, thanks. Whats it like having the second best?'

Caused a bit of a stir that did. Needless to say they didn't share the same dinner table after that.

 

[TorontoNoctis]

So exactly why does the UK NEED carriers? Empire days are gone, and given the global financial crisis, those days are not about to return anytime soon? Is the UK planning to go to war against US or France or Russia?

And if it does NEEDt carriers because of some strategic (thus far unknown) reason - why these vulnerable little things ?

Carriers are the most useful fighting vessel for a modern blue water navy.

Frigates -- useless, USN is never getting more of these

Cruisers -- useless unless used like destroyers

Battleships -- useless except as shore bombardment

Submarines -- even more unconventional than carriers and rely on nuclear weapons

So unless you want the UK to lose its status as a blue water navy, you must support carriers. They are not just force projection but provide second strike compared to land bases. A carrier can move and an airstrip can't.

 

[500]

Secondly these carriers are designed to operate F35 Which believe it or not will cost 100 Million USD each
Equiping the carrier with 36 F35 + 10 Helicopters + 4 HAWKEYE 2D
Will cost in excess of 4.5 Billion USD

According to Sunday Times they want to buy F-18F instead of F-35 now.

 

[lcloo]

It is a waste of British tax payers' money. UK's defence role is its commitment to Nato which now is facing no threat at all.

To defend Falkands, it is money wise much more economical to station a couple jet fighters squadrons, a modern radar system, a few tanks and frigates.

To support US in Afghan war with new carriers while UK is facing money problem could be a political suicide with British voters.

Best way is offer one carrier for sale, may be India, Brazil and Australia would be interested.

 

[Jackal]

It is a waste of British tax payers' money. UK's defence role is its commitment to Nato which now is facing no threat at all.

Same was said before Malaya...1948-1960

And again and again in:

The Korean War...1950-1953
The Mau mau Uprising...1952-1960
The Suiz Cisis...1956
The Indonesia/Malyasia confrontation...1962-1966
The Dhofar Rebellion...1962-1975
The Falklands...1982
The Gulf War...1990-1991
The Sierra Leone Civil War...1991-2002
The war in Bosnia...1992-1995
The Kosovo War...1998-1999
Iraq in 1998
And again in 2001 and in Afghanistan the same year...

And thats just a tiny amount of wars Britain has been involved in over the years of which most of them gave very little, or, if any notice of starting and progressing and a lot of them were without NATO or with countries that were not apart of NATO.

So think before you speak.

 

[lcloo]

So waht threat do you expect will come to NATO?

Malayan emergency was mainly a low level war with mostly special forces and para-military police action, of course there were army and airforce involved, otherwise it is not a war, it was a threat only to colonial interest of the British Empire, not to UK itself.

Wars is Iraq was a BIG mistake, not a threat to NATO. Blair was obliged to Bush's mislead action, not as a result of military threat to UK.

War in Korea was not a threat to NATO, what has UK had to do with obscure Korea of 1950s in terms of militaary threat?

With UK's economy in such a sorry state, and the current austerity economic policy , and heavily debt ridden, why spend money on something unproductive?

 

[Jackal]

So waht threat do you expect will come to NATO?

How would I know? If I, you or anyone else knew especially in the past and present about the wars that started we would've been ready for them and, or maybe even stopped them from happening.

The simple fact of the matter is, as long as we're wondering around on this planet there is always going to be some kind of war happening in one place or another, fighting one is the simple part, figuring out when one might start is the difficult part. Its a very unpredictable subject.

And to say that someone wasn't a threat is rather naive...

...Neville Chamberlain thought Adolf Hitler wasn't a threat and even thought he was a rather nice chap...Then look what happened.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Britain had always been a colonizing and enslavement nation

They just had been put in check by Nazi's in world war 2 , and out of funds and resources they were kicked out of South Asia and other places in world

Now they are quickly building their navies and army to start a new quest to expand their territories

Its pretty sickening to see royal family enjoying life of luxury from stolen goods from South Asia they really run me the wrong way the whole bunch