I think the number is kind of misleading because it is only a 65,600 tons displacement class carrier. Whether it is made of 80,000 tons of steel has nothing to do with its displacement which is how normally a ship is measured. For comparison, Admiral Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier's displacement is 55,000 ton and Kiev class is 44,570 tons.
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I think the number is kind of misleading because it is only a 65,600 tons displacement class carrier. Whether it is made of 80,000 tons of steel has nothing to do with its displacement which is how normally a ship is measured. For comparison, Admiral Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier's displacement is 55,000 ton and Kiev class is 44,570 tons.
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They never quit they just took a 50 year break to develop their fleets
now time to show India who is the Maharaja ppl take germany's contribution to ending the british slavery lightly
They have every right to be classified as carriers, thats why they're sometimes called 'Harrier carriers', the last word giving something of a clue as to what they are. Just because they don't fling aircraft off the end via catapult doesn't mean they're not carriers. Don't forget, the Royal Navy are the greatest pioneers when it comes to thinking up new stuff, they're the reason why there are carriers in the first place.
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Yes the UK absolutely must maintain its naval tradition. It must have carriers. Losing carriers means losing the navy and hundreds of years of knowledge, experience and institutions.*
With navy you can't just say we won't have carriers for 50 years until we have more money. It's taken the RN hundreds of years to build up to this point. The Americans got fast tracked with tons of experience in WWII. But nobody wants another world war. Meanwhile the RN must continue.
Blue water navy is as much about experience as it is technology. If it was just about money, China would already have a CBG.
God save the queen
*For those who say false, a serious navy cannot exist without capital ships so unless you're saying go back to battleships if you don't support the carriers you are advocating the UK lose its navy!
With navy you can't just say we won't have carriers for 50 years until we have more money. It's taken the RN hundreds of years to build up to this point. The Americans got fast tracked with tons of experience in WWII. But nobody wants another world war. Meanwhile the RN must continue.
Blue water navy is as much about experience as it is technology. If it was just about money, China would already have a CBG.
God save the queen
*For those who say false, a serious navy cannot exist without capital ships so unless you're saying go back to battleships if you don't support the carriers you are advocating the UK lose its navy!
UK has the most advanced Destroyer in the world
The Royal Navy's newest warship, built at a cost of £650 million, sailed into its home port for the first time today.
HMS Daring, the world's most advanced destroyer, was officially handed over to the navy last month after work was completed at the BVT Surface Fleet's Scotstoun shipyard on the Clyde, Scotland.
I would say it all about quality rather then quantity.
The Royal Navy's newest warship, built at a cost of £650 million, sailed into its home port for the first time today.
HMS Daring, the world's most advanced destroyer, was officially handed over to the navy last month after work was completed at the BVT Surface Fleet's Scotstoun shipyard on the Clyde, Scotland.
I would say it all about quality rather then quantity.
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Yes it's about quality. Quality is not just technology, but experience. It's about sailors having experience, generational military families, and I hate to say it but national pride so the best and brightest join the navy.
It's obvious since WWII that carriers rule the seas, so this must be maintained. Perhaps one day advanced destroyer like DDX and stealthy, long range cruise missiles will make carriers obsolete. But most likely not.*
*People have been predicting "end" of carrier due to cruise missiles for 30 years and it still hasn't happened
It's obvious since WWII that carriers rule the seas, so this must be maintained. Perhaps one day advanced destroyer like DDX and stealthy, long range cruise missiles will make carriers obsolete. But most likely not.*
*People have been predicting "end" of carrier due to cruise missiles for 30 years and it still hasn't happened
Problem is the state of our economy at the moment, we need to cut the deficit from somewhere
The problem with what should go is that as an outsider I don't know the contractual commitments," he says. "What I do know is that when you cancel a programme there are cancellation costs. It might well be that we're already down the road, as people say, with the carrier programme; that we are committed to taking one. I would look critically at whether we need two.
"I can't understand the argument that we need to buy two to continuously deploy one. If the navy is saying that we've got to spend £6bn at the moment on just buying the two carriers to maintain one at sea then they can only be at sea on average six months of the year. I think that commitment needs looking at far more critically."
Cuts, costs and kit: the economics of the defence review - Defence Management
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Cutting deficit is not entirely necessary. Without going into an economics lesson consider that no countries paid off their WWI debt and it was basically reset at WWII. There are also severe consequences to cutting deficit too early.
Anyway the argument to have two to have one has nothing to do with averages and everything to do with at least one being operational at a time. Not necessarily that a carrier can only be at sea for six months, but should one need drydock there's at least one out there. The advantages are enormous, from training to redundancy to force multiplier (having two of something does not mean you double your firepower, but quadruple your firepower see Lanchester's Laws). Having "one" of anything is very dangerous militarily, because it means you have to husband that asset incredibly carefully, knowing that if it is knocked out for any significant time your campaign is over.
Carriers are not meant to be "fleet in being" sitting mostly in port or home waters because you're afraid to use it and/or you don't have a redundant capability and have to keep it for defense of the home territories. They are an offensive weapon and for that you need two.
Anyway the argument to have two to have one has nothing to do with averages and everything to do with at least one being operational at a time. Not necessarily that a carrier can only be at sea for six months, but should one need drydock there's at least one out there. The advantages are enormous, from training to redundancy to force multiplier (having two of something does not mean you double your firepower, but quadruple your firepower see Lanchester's Laws). Having "one" of anything is very dangerous militarily, because it means you have to husband that asset incredibly carefully, knowing that if it is knocked out for any significant time your campaign is over.
Carriers are not meant to be "fleet in being" sitting mostly in port or home waters because you're afraid to use it and/or you don't have a redundant capability and have to keep it for defense of the home territories. They are an offensive weapon and for that you need two
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Royal Navy's Most Advanced Destroyer Sets Course into Service
While appearing at Portsmouth Navy Days the first of the Royal Navy's new Type 45 Class destroyers, HMS Daring, was declared formally available for tasking on Saturday 31 July 2010.
HMS Daring was commissioned into the Royal Navy fleet in July 2009. Since then the ship has been undertaking a series of MoD-managed trials and acceptance activities to test and confirm the ship's technical capability and ensure that it is ready to join the Royal Navy as a front line warship.
This period has included Daring's crew undertaking rigorous basic operational sea training and the Type 45 making its first overseas visit, to Ireland.
Now, the 7,500-tonne ship can officially begin to play a key role in various operations around the world.
HMS Daring's ability to operate a range of helicopters from its flight deck and embark up to 60 troops, in addition to the ship's own company, make the warship a versatile Royal Naval asset, able to support land forces and carry out humanitarian missions.
Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, Peter Luff, said:
"The first in-service date for the Type 45 Class is a significant achievement for both the programme and the Royal Navy. It represents the first step towards delivering the fleet of the future.
"Along with her five sister ships, Daring will set new standards in air defence and will demonstrate her wider ability across the future challenges faced by the Armed Forces. I have no doubt that Daring will provide sterling service throughout its life."
Captain Paddy McAlpine, Daring's Commanding Officer, said:
"Daring represents a step change for the Royal Navy. Her technology and design make her an easy ship to fight with and my ability to control the airspace around the task force is unsurpassed.
"My ship's company and I are proud and privileged to serve in this truly magnificent ship, forging the way for the class. The potential that I have witnessed to date promises that this capability is set to become the cornerstone of the future Royal Navy."
Head of the Type 45 programme, Commodore Steve Brunton, said:
"This milestone is the culmination of a huge amount of hard work over five years of construction, and another two years of trials and development, by 4,000 workers at the Clyde and Portsmouth shipyards, many more at suppliers across the UK, and staff at MOD and in the Royal Navy.
"The strong relationship between MOD, industry and the Royal Navy has been critical to achieving today's success."
HMS Daring was in Portsmouth at the weekend as part of Navy Days, the Royal Navy's annual event that gives the public the chance to meet the people and the ships of the modern Navy.
More than 25,000 visitors flocked to Portsmouth Naval Base for the three-day event which ended on Sunday 1 August.
HMS Daring and sister vessel Dauntless opened their doors to the public along with six other ships, including 'floating hospital' Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel Argus, fresh from a recent refit.
Historic ships HMS Victory and HMS Warrior also proved a big draw, as did a BAE Systems exhibition featuring the company's current shipbuilding projects, including the two Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers, and a glimpse of the future, the Type 26 combat ship, which is expected to enter service in the early 2020s and will replace the Navy's current fleet of Type 22 and 23 frigates.
Commodore Rob Thompson, Naval Base Commander, said:
"Navy Days was a huge success. The mainly dry and warm weather played a part but a big draw was seeing the Royal Navy's ships and personnel at close hand.
"The event proved an exciting opportunity to show the general public the wide role of the Royal Navy and what its men and women are up to across the globe - from taking the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan to countering pirates in the Gulf of Aden."
HMS Daring is due to undergo further operational training and capability development in preparation for her first operational deployment, planned for 2011.
While appearing at Portsmouth Navy Days the first of the Royal Navy's new Type 45 Class destroyers, HMS Daring, was declared formally available for tasking on Saturday 31 July 2010.
HMS Daring was commissioned into the Royal Navy fleet in July 2009. Since then the ship has been undertaking a series of MoD-managed trials and acceptance activities to test and confirm the ship's technical capability and ensure that it is ready to join the Royal Navy as a front line warship.
This period has included Daring's crew undertaking rigorous basic operational sea training and the Type 45 making its first overseas visit, to Ireland.
Now, the 7,500-tonne ship can officially begin to play a key role in various operations around the world.
HMS Daring's ability to operate a range of helicopters from its flight deck and embark up to 60 troops, in addition to the ship's own company, make the warship a versatile Royal Naval asset, able to support land forces and carry out humanitarian missions.
Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, Peter Luff, said:
"The first in-service date for the Type 45 Class is a significant achievement for both the programme and the Royal Navy. It represents the first step towards delivering the fleet of the future.
"Along with her five sister ships, Daring will set new standards in air defence and will demonstrate her wider ability across the future challenges faced by the Armed Forces. I have no doubt that Daring will provide sterling service throughout its life."
Captain Paddy McAlpine, Daring's Commanding Officer, said:
"Daring represents a step change for the Royal Navy. Her technology and design make her an easy ship to fight with and my ability to control the airspace around the task force is unsurpassed.
"My ship's company and I are proud and privileged to serve in this truly magnificent ship, forging the way for the class. The potential that I have witnessed to date promises that this capability is set to become the cornerstone of the future Royal Navy."
Head of the Type 45 programme, Commodore Steve Brunton, said:
"This milestone is the culmination of a huge amount of hard work over five years of construction, and another two years of trials and development, by 4,000 workers at the Clyde and Portsmouth shipyards, many more at suppliers across the UK, and staff at MOD and in the Royal Navy.
"The strong relationship between MOD, industry and the Royal Navy has been critical to achieving today's success."
HMS Daring was in Portsmouth at the weekend as part of Navy Days, the Royal Navy's annual event that gives the public the chance to meet the people and the ships of the modern Navy.
More than 25,000 visitors flocked to Portsmouth Naval Base for the three-day event which ended on Sunday 1 August.
HMS Daring and sister vessel Dauntless opened their doors to the public along with six other ships, including 'floating hospital' Royal Fleet Auxiliary vessel Argus, fresh from a recent refit.
Historic ships HMS Victory and HMS Warrior also proved a big draw, as did a BAE Systems exhibition featuring the company's current shipbuilding projects, including the two Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carriers, and a glimpse of the future, the Type 26 combat ship, which is expected to enter service in the early 2020s and will replace the Navy's current fleet of Type 22 and 23 frigates.
Commodore Rob Thompson, Naval Base Commander, said:
"Navy Days was a huge success. The mainly dry and warm weather played a part but a big draw was seeing the Royal Navy's ships and personnel at close hand.
"The event proved an exciting opportunity to show the general public the wide role of the Royal Navy and what its men and women are up to across the globe - from taking the fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan to countering pirates in the Gulf of Aden."
HMS Daring is due to undergo further operational training and capability development in preparation for her first operational deployment, planned for 2011.
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No offence intended but with a shrinking economy and budget cuts, will they be able to run this thing?
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I am sure they could even with budget cuts. They have bigger ships then this.
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