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BRICS gold backed currency

India who is US dog is against BRICS currency. But others especially Russia have big urgency. All Russian asset denominated in dollar were confiscated.

Now if China embark on unification, US will surely confiscate at least significant put of China FX.

SA got big gold mine. SA suppose to be very rich but US gold suppression make it much poorer.

Brazil also have lots of gold.

Under such circumstances, India was sidelined.

I guess BRICS currency will go ahead.

BRICS could start the currency while giving India an option to opt out.
 
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So you are saying let's go back to 1873 when HKD was last pegged to gold?

Modern day HKD was never backed by gold....
I mean jointly secured with gold and forex. Hong Kong dollars are just secured with foreign exchange.
 
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I mean jointly secured with gold and forex. Hong Kong dollars are just secured with foreign exchange.
You dont "jointly" secure with forex, HK have a 430 billions forex and 2.1 tons of gold....you do the maths

Gold in HK currency is a non factor
 
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Western financial masturbation, and gold suppression is one example, has make nations much poorer while enable US to leech on the world. If gold real value is revealed, it could be 20x the current price level.

SA will be rich overnight,

Many of these mining nations are 3rd world, and they should be entitled their due wealth.

A side note. SA gold mineral reserve is heavily under estimated while China is over estimated.

SA gold mine are extremely rich in gold content while China mine has very low gold content. If SA use China accounting method, SA gold resource could easily 20x of China.


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After months of debate about various currency and commodity baskets, a Russia- and China-led consortium has apparently settled on using gold as the basis of a planned new international currency system separate from the US dollar and euro. As recently reported by state-funded Russia Today, an upcoming meeting of leaders from Brazil, Russia, India and China in August may include the formal introduction of the new initiative.

This would be similar to the Bretton Woods meeting in 1944, where, after the floating currency chaos of the Great Depression, a new gold-based international currency architecture was laid out. The centerpiece was the US dollar, which in turn would be linked to gold at $35/oz., its gold parity since 1933. This laid the foundation for two decades of peace, prosperity, and fixed exchange rates, which sadly came to an end when the US dollar was floated from its golden anchor in 1971.

Since then, various governments have attempted to move back toward an international arrangement based on gold. In 2019, Malaysia's prime minister Mahathir Mohammad proposed a Pan-Asian currency based on gold. "At the moment we have to depend upon the U.S. dollar but the U.S. dollar is also not stable. So the currency that we propose should be based on gold because gold is much more stable," Mahathir described. This too mirrored the Bretton Woods debates, where John Maynard Keynes' "bancor" proposal, which amounted to a global floating fiat currency, was abandoned in favor of the gold-based U.S. dollar at the heart of the system.

In 2009, Libya's Muammar Gaddafi proposed a Pan-African currency, the gold dinar, echoing the gold dinar coins of the Arab Caliphates that once ruled North Africa. But, unrest in Libya in 2011 put an end to such ambitions.

Also in 2009, the head of China's central bank, Zhou Xiaochuan, wrote: "An international reserve currency should first be anchored to a stable benchmark and issued according to a clear set of rules … [Its] adjustments should be disconnected from economic conditions and sovereign interests of any single country. The acceptance of credit-based national currencies, as is the case in the current system, is a rare special case in history."

Although Xiaochuan did not say how these goals might be achieved, we can assume it would be done exactly the same way that Mao Zedong ended hyperinflation in China in 1950: By fixing the yuan to gold (SONG HONG comment: NOT TRUE).

In Moscow, leading intellectual Sergey Glazyev recently proposed a "Gold Ruble 3.0," referencing the gold-based rubles of both the Czarist era, and then the Soviet Union. Russian media reported that Russia and Iran are in talks to establish a gold-based cryptocurrency for international trade.

All of this rumbling may have come to nothing, if not for the outbreak of hostilities in Ukraine. This was immediately followed by the isolation of Russia from the entirety of the Western financial system, including US and EU banks, and the SWIFT system for international bank payments. The Russian government was ready to make interest and principal payments on its euro-based bonds, but it literally could not do so. To add both insult and injury, roughly $600 billion of foreign reserves, held in custody in the US and EU, were "frozen," and likely to be confiscated.

This was a wake-up-call to all governments worldwide that held dollar or euro foreign reserves, or used the SWIFT banking system. The time had come to set up alternative arrangements.

This would also require a degree of independence from the International Monetary Fund. Although the IMF was set up at Bretton Woods in 1944 explicitly to reinforce the system built around the golden dollar, by 1978 that mission had become obsolete. In a 1978 revision to its Articles, the IMF allowed governments to link their currencies' value to anything "other than gold" (Article IV, Sec. 2a). The IMF itself would follow "the objective of avoiding the management of the price, or the establishment of a fixed price, in the gold market." (Article V, Sec. 12a) In other words, the IMF banned the gold standard among all member countries. The effect was to maintain the floating fiat dollar's primacy in international affairs.

Today, a "gold standard" proposal comes with a cloud of fallacious ideas, having to do with the "balance of payments" and other odd notions. It is best understood as simply a means to stabilize currency value. Today, many countries' currencies are linked to the euro, including Bulgaria, which uses a euro currency board. A gold standard system is the same basic idea, but using gold instead of a floating fiat euro. All of today's electronic payment systems would remain the same.

This was the principle that all of the Western World (and actually the Eastern World as well) followed for the past 600 years since the Renaissance. It worked very well. Gold was indeed tolerably stable in value, in the short and long term — stable enough that countries that stuck to it suffered no ill consequences as a result. They may have suffered for other reasons: Mao's Great Leap Forward (1958-1962) resulted in mass starvation, even though the yuan remained linked to gold. But, gold never failed to serve its role as a reliably stable standard of value.

"The only adequate guarantee for the uniform and stable value of a paper currency is its convertibility into specie [gold or silver] — the least fluctuating and only universal currency," said President James Madison, the primary author of the US Constitution. Today, much of the world wants a basis for their currencies that is stable in value, and also "universal" — that is, something everyone can agree on. Just as at Bretton Woods in 1944, there is only one thing that meets this need, and we all know what it is.

 
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Why do we need a new currency when we already have Chinese Yuan?

The history of currency backed by gold is long gone. I believe at first China wants Yuan as the BRICS currency. Other countries rejected China's proposal. But China doesn't want to bear unlimited liability for new BRICS currency. It means China will become other countries ATM. They can exploit China's fortune through it. So gold is just a compromise. But currency is not really reliable if only gold is accounted.

Chinese Yuan as the new world reserve currency makes perfect sense.

There is no need for a new BRICS currency.
 
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Why do we need a new currency when we already have Chinese Yuan?



Chinese Yuan as the new world reserve currency makes perfect sense.

There is no need for a new BRICS currency.

If Yuan become world reserve currency, China will need to run deficit. Another side effect is China will need to de-industrialized.

I guess China do not want that.
 
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Very soon China and Russia will kick India out of both SCO and BRICS.

India is a slave of the West.

There is one more question to answer. Why the market has so many CNY when China is running trade surplus.

The big reason is China is lending CNY like crazy this moment making China a significant creditor nations.

And white men already keep shouting debt trap and China is world shylock, asking China to forgive everyone debt.

In reality most 90% of monies is owe to white man and they forgive almost nothing and charge a interest rate 2-5x of China.

World need white man hegemony to go away.
 
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For those that want to know what is a debt/credit backed currency, it is a currency based on creating new money from loans. No loans = no money. If loans are paid off = no new money in the system and nearly no money in the economy. The printed money and coin money is only money supplied into the system to meet the demand of exchange from digital money in bank accounts. Money does not originate there from the treasury for free, it is exchanged for debt money which constitutes the vast majority of money. Money originates in the consumer economy from loans and debt. And from the government from bonds. Again debt. This is why low interest rates fuel economic growth and high interest rates temper inflation (ie: inflation as new money creation from debt).


Gold and silver is the only honest form of money. It makes everybody play by the same rules. And would enrich poor nations with in ground reserves. It has been the main enemy of Washington since they closed the gold window. Keeping down the price of gold and silver to make the dollar appear strong has been more important to Washington than cia endless wars. bitcoin was started to be the casino where gold and silver investors were drawn into the reward of playing 1 dollar in the crypto casino and getting 10000 dollars in return in easy get rich quick money and stay away from threatening the dollar with large gold and silver purchases. Bitcoin saved the US economy, and the earliest investors of bitcoin were cia cronies. Meaning they bought early and get richer and richer the higher bitcoin goes in "value". bitcoin benefits the criminals in Washington and London, gold and silver do not.

Gold and silver are both deflationary and inflationary, respectively, meaning they can meet the demands that high interest rates now serve and low interests rates now serve.
 
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The BRICS economy is more than $24 trillion USD and growing, while there is only $12 trillion dollar worth of gold ever mined. So how does that work?
gold standard is dead. We can go back to the world of 1970 where India and China were living off $150 per year

For those that want to know what is a debt/credit backed currency, it is a currency based on creating new money from loans. No loans = no money. If loans are paid off = no new money in the system and nearly no money in the economy. The printed money and coin money is only money supplied into the system to meet the demand of exchange from digital money in bank accounts. Money does not originate there from the treasury for free, it is exchanged for debt money which constitutes the vast majority of money. Money originates in the consumer economy from loans and debt. And from the government from bonds. Again debt. This is why low interest rates fuel economic growth and high interest rates temper inflation (ie: inflation as new money creation from debt).


Gold and silver is the only honest form of money. It makes everybody play by the same rules. And would enrich poor nations with in ground reserves. It has been the main enemy of Washington since they closed the gold window. Keeping down the price of gold and silver to make the dollar appear strong has been more important to Washington than cia endless wars. bitcoin was started to be the casino where gold and silver investors were drawn into the reward of playing 1 dollar in the crypto casino and getting 10000 dollars in return in easy get rich quick money and stay away from threatening the dollar with large gold and silver purchases. Bitcoin saved the US economy, and the earliest investors of bitcoin were cia cronies. Meaning they bought early and get richer and richer the higher bitcoin goes in "value". bitcoin benefits the criminals in Washington and London, gold and silver do not.

Gold and silver are both deflationary and inflationary, respectively, meaning they can meet the demands that high interest rates now serve and low interests rates now serve.

Is anyone stopping you ?
 
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Another important puzzle of this monetary ponzi is how white man manipulate gold price in the so call free market.

Answer is today Gold future market is 500- 100x the physical delivery. Next question is -- why no one ask for physical delivery and bankrun comex?

The moment someone ask for massive physical delivery, GoUS will bankrupt or murder you.

You can bankrun SV bank, Lehmen brothers, Credit Suisse...etc. You cannot bankrupt Comex gold future.

There was an exception why France Charles de Gaulle got to send in war ship and pull out 2000 tonnes of gold (not bank running comex but US FED).

Ultimately US free market is not free. It is back by violence and murder.
 
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It will not be necessay for India as long as it stays poor.

All I can say is good luck to you big mouths

See if you can insist on USA paying for Chinese goods in gold and see where the discussion goes.
 
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Once some national leader advocate dropping USD, they will be revolution and soon this leader will be dead.

Western nations like Euro land has a little more privileges' to create Euro.

Euro however is a currency without politcal union and army. It is useless during emergency.
 
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