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Breaking: Indian foreign minister visits Iran for Chabahar port inauguration

You are calling Iran brotherly and UAE not even friendly state! There's no sanity behind this thinking.

How come UAE let Modi bash Pakistan, while they themselves keep investing in Pakistan!
Most recently, I'm told UAE is going to build a car manufacturing plant in Karachi, worth 1/2 billion$ which will produce and export French cars.

Bashing facts are also quite contrary. Pakistani politicians, foreign office, media regular bash UAE.
Had UAE declared Pakistan an enemy state? Had they stop sending aid to Pakistan? Had they blocked entry of Pakistanis to UAE?
Actually they should have,..... only, if you were the Amir of UAE.

Bloody Modi level allegations against Pakistan as much Iran does, and he does it every where. Have we unfriend with all those states, where he does that? He would do it even standing in China! Dog will not stop barking, it's up to us to shoot the dog or let him drain his shit above our heads.
When Modi bashed Pakistan once, we should have blocked his flight through Pakistan airspace, but no one even asked for it!
So actually its not nationalism, which drives anti UAE campaign its personal bias.

There are 40-50 weekly or monthly flights from Iran to India, who carry RAW officials who run terrorism in Pakistan... all flying in Pakistan airspace... did we bothered to stop it? NO and guess what..... whole world know this and also UAE!

I didn't call the UAE unfriendly, I just gave you a comparison. Yes the UAE is investing, but Iran also wants trade and security packs. RAW officials have also been spotted in the UAE, as have Baluch rebels living with freedom.
The bottom line is that every state can have fingers pointed at it, but I don't believe Iran is an enemy, where as you do and on that we differ. I don't understand why you keep tagging me regarding Iran. Let's agree to disagree shall we?
 
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yes...cpec will be best option for west china..but most of the land is not usable land in west..so i don't know how much development is possible using materials from middle east and africa
and chabahar is the best option to get easy access to afghanistan, central asia and most of the europe for india.

The plans to develop western and central china are enourmous, remember China is the world's manufacturing hub it is determined to develop all of China especially its western half.

Afghanistans population is all on its eastern and Northern border, to get to Chabahar it has to go the long way around, It matters not to Central Asia, neither are they massive economies nor do they have much to sell they will use either port and go for easiest route with best deal, economies of scale and tens of billions ploughed into infrastructure will be a better bet
 
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East China to Mozambique is 12000k.M. while West China to Mozambique is 5000kM.
China has decided to transfer its manufacturing industry to East China and Gawadar.
So stop counting kM from China, count them from Gawadar!
While shortest route to Kabul is through Islamabad, as I have shown.
Afghanistan don't need access to world, its China who needs it.
Only purpose of Chabahar is to export terrorism to Pakistan via Afghanistan.
don't say that
 
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don't say that
I should say India is using Afghanistan and made him suffer!
Afghanistan is loosing $trillions of investments and transit of Chinese goods, just because of its alliance with India.
If Afghanistan was clever, it had offered China to connect Islamabad-Gawadar via Afghanistan and than on to the wider world as shown below.
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Indian riches are at the cost of Afghan blood and poverty.
 
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I should say India is using Afghanistan and made him suffer!
Afghanistan is loosing $trillions of investments and transit of Chinese goods, just because of its alliance with India.
If Afghanistan was clever, it had offered China to connect Islamabad-Gawadar via Afghanistan and than on to the wider world as shown below.
View attachment 440472
Indian riches are at the cost of Afghan blood and poverty.
No one is used...Evryone is letting himself being used...
 
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No one is used...Evryone is letting himself being used...
Afghanistan is occupied land and its new generation is uneducated. While its army generals are corrupt and stashing their corrupt money in India.
 
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Huh. Most people aren't being hostile. I'm pleasantly surprised.

@Kaptaan does this count as a "single brick" that has been laid down that you said wouldn't happen? :P
 
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Afghanistan is occupied land and its new generation is uneducated. While its army generals are corrupt and stashing their corrupt money in India.
they let it happen to themselfs... and in any deal made...you pay...
 
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Huh. Most people aren't being hostile. I'm pleasantly surprised.

@Kaptaan does this count as a "single brick" that has been laid down that you said wouldn't happen? :P
Look I am going to make a effort to reply to you on the premise that you really are Iranian and not some Indian fanboy hiding behind the Iranian flags. What do I think it is. Groundhog Day v999th. And it is not even a brick. But a piece of broken brick.


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Why am I so sceptical? Simple. We heard first heard about this decades ago. Gwadar then was few mud huts. Chah Bahar by comparison already was fully developed town. I had gotten to know about Chah Bahar long before the internet age made the world available at your fingertips. Back in 1978 I was in sixth form, high school doing three A-Levels. Our sixth form library was well stocked and we would get Scientific American, National Geographic, British Geographical, Readers Digest as well as the broadsheet papers readily available. Being a avid reader and having more than passing interest in geography I would read National Geoghraphic page to page with it's glorious pictures, maps and diagrams.

One article I read was about massive project launched by Shah to bring Sistan Balochistan within the mainstream Iran as it was backward and disconnected. It talked about massive road projects, desert being stabilized by using Israeli technology that entailed spraying the sand with crude petrolueum to bind the soil and then plant sapling to hold the soil together. British companies were heavily involved in road construction. Chah Bahar was mentioned as being the anchor of the whole development project. From the pictures you could see Chah Bahar was developing as a modern town. As a sides my best friend Gholam was half Iranian. I still remember joing that he was the only "O" Gholam I knew as rest were "U" Ghulams. His father was Shia from Rawalpindi and had settled in Iran after he got married to a Iranian women. He had been working as a guard at the British Embassy in Tehran a job he had got as he had been a ex-servicemen from the Raj. The family had moved to UK.

Four decades later Chah Bahar is still Chah Bahar. Along the way Indian's have come along every now and then to do their "Bollywood" dance. Nothing much has changed. You will see more Bollywood photoshoots in Chah Bahar. Nothing substantive other than few bricks is going to happen.

Reason? As I mentioned at the outset is simple. For the Indian "Chah" dream would entail massive structural changes in trading order and economic linkages. This would entail bolting together a Russian-Central Asian-Afghan-Chah Bahar economic corridor. The main beneficiaries of this would be Russia and Iran. There is no way, no way I can see American allowing this to happen. Yes, Indians can go ahead but if they invest sufficient amounts to get their "Chah dream" it would upset Washington. So the question is will India poke USA in the face to get "Chah dream" and risk losing America as a strategic ally. Not a fcukin chance. And if you want some pointers please look at how India dumped Iran in the sanction vote at UN.

That is why India is acting like a schizoid. Chah dream or Americans. Americans or Chah dream. Chah Drream or Americans. It's like a love triangle with one too many in the bed. And you know who Miss India is going to through out of the bed.


Meantime let us all again start chanting "Chah, Chah, Chah, Chah, Chah ......



Ps. The only thing it does is the sick sectarian boys in Pakistan get crap to get excited about and Indian fanboys to go jumping around chanting.
 
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I should say India is using Afghanistan and made him suffer!
Afghanistan is loosing $trillions of investments and transit of Chinese goods, just because of its alliance with India.
If Afghanistan was clever, it had offered China to connect Islamabad-Gawadar via Afghanistan and than on to the wider world as shown below.
View attachment 440472
Indian riches are at the cost of Afghan blood and poverty.
what to say...afghan don't trust pakistan anymore
 
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Look I am going to make a effort to reply to you on the premise that you really are Iranian and not some Indian fanboy hiding behind the Iranian flags.

:o: come on man, surely it hasn't been that long.

Four decades later Chah Bahar is still Chah Bahar.

Unfortunate indeed. A lot of obstacles have been in our way.

Reason? As I mentioned at the outset is simple. For the Indian "Chah" dream would entail massive structural changes in trading order and economic linkages. This would entail bolting together a Russian-Central Asian-Afghan-Chah Bahar economic corridor.

Well, I'm not sure about that. I would think it could be linked to the Chinese backed One Belt One Road project in which Iran's geography can play a big part. Maybe China would be hesitant to link it up (I hope they aren't) because of their ties to Pakistan. But China or not, I think Iran would endeavour to link Chabahar with OBOR. After all, Afghanistan is not as profitable as Europe, central Asia etc.

Chah dream or Americans. Americans or Chah dream. Chah Drream or Americans.

Well, maybe they'll get there eventually :sarcastic: but in all seriousness, I think the renewed investments in Iran are encouraging. I think Iran should do more to try and get China more interested in Chabahar. It's annoying that Iran is missing out on investment because of politics of other countries. Many Pakistanis and Indians talk about Chabahar in the frame of their own rivalry, whereas Iran just wants them to put their differences aside for this one issue. It is our port, after all. Maybe that's selfish of us, but there you go.
 
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come on man, surely it hasn't been that long.
Sorry???

Unfortunate indeed. A lot of obstacles have been in our way.
Mostly self inflicted. Just like Pakistan. Both countries don't need enemies when they have themselves. Although I think Iran is even better at shooting itself in the foot.

Well, I'm not sure about that. I would think it could be linked to the Chinese backed One Belt One Road project in which Iran's geography can play a big part. Maybe China would be hesitant to link it up (I hope they aren't) because of their ties to Pakistan. But China or not, I think Iran would endeavour to link Chabahar with OBOR. After all, Afghanistan is not as profitable as Europe, central Asia etc.
If Iranian leadership had vision and adopted a dose of much needed machvialian thinking they would go all out to leverage the Chinese. You have the oil. They have the market. They have the size to stand up to US. They are the future. So you need top tie your banner in one place. Iran would fit into OBOR better then even Pakistan and it would be win win for Iran, Pak and China. But you bring Indians into it the party is over. You think that is odd? Would Iran dine in a party where Israel was also sat on the table?

And trust me Indian Chah is not going to go anywhere. For that to happen they have to invest significant amounts that brings about a structural change in form of a new economic corridor that links Russia, Iran, Afghanistan and is anchored on Chah Bahar. This is very possible.

But it would involve India having to let go of Uncle Trump and Israel, If you think India will give up Uncle Trump/Israel for Iran you are well wrong my friend. This might have been possible if relations between US/Isreal and Iran improved but with Trump things have gotten worse. From that make your conclusions.
 
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I've been on this forum for ages, and talked to you many times before. Surely you would see I'm not a fanboy of anyone or anything, let alone a foreign country.

If Iranian leadership had vision and adopted a dose of much needed machvialian thinking they would go all out to leverage the Chinese.

But do the Chinese even want to invest in Chabahar? That is partly the problem. They are investing in Gwadar. Unfortunately, Pakistan and China (close allies) view Chabahar as some sort of attempt to flank Pakistan, or outmanoeuvre it in Afghanistan, or a way to undermine Gwadar. Iran views it as a source of much needed development in a dilapidated eastern area. We'd be more than happy for China to invest in Chabahar. But it didn't, and isn't.

They have the size to stand up to US.

Why didn't they? When we got sanctioned in the UNSC, China voted for it.

This might have been possible if relations between US/Isreal and Iran improved but with Trump things have gotten worse

I think that is a temporary problem.
 
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