(Breaking) China moves to end Hong Kong's autonomy

[tower9]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

They may have abandoned the idea that Taiwan will be united peacefully but they won't invade Taiwan in the near future. China's foremost goal right now is political independence, economic development and technological dominance. Invading Taiwan will severely threaten the last two goals.

 

[bbccdd1470]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

Yes, this is the open secret on chinese forums, even the sane Taiwanese know it. China have prepared the worst much earlier than PDF talked about it, such as the decoupling between the US and China (I read it a year and half before people here mentioned it).

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

China has an anti-secessionist law which will compelled it to act. No question about that.
It is just one step away.
All it takes is just for Tsai to declare Taiwan's Independence.
But Tsai did declared during her inauguration that the status quo remained.
She knows how serious the consequences are.
And she know China has the will to act because sovereignty is not negotiable.

 

[Menthol]

If a thing doesn't work.

What is the usefulness to keep it alive?

It's suicidal.


HK is a failure city.

Democracy is good if there's unity.

But too much noise will kill it.

No consensus means conflict and war.


I have seen many cases in many countries.

51% agree and 49% disagree... will it work? Nope!

The one who disagrees will always protest and find flaws of the current ruling party, even the thing that is not related to the first topic that they disagree for.

Because it's no longer about finding the best solution for the problem, it's just a matter of winning.


Since the first beginning, HK is the battleground for a foreign country to disturb China.

It doesn't mean HK is incapable to develop.

It's too much noise that kills everything.

 

[Daniel808]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

Yes, this is the open secret on chinese forums, even the sane Taiwanese know it. China have prepared the worst much earlier than PDF talked about it, such as the decoupling between the US and China (I read it a year and half before people here mentioned it).

China has an anti-secessionist law which will compelled it to act. No question about that.
It is just one step away.
All it takes is just for Tsai to declare Taiwan's Independence.
But Tsai did declared during her inauguration that the status quo remained.
She knows how serious the consequences are.
And she know China has the will to act because sovereignty is not negotiable.

Yes, right now time is siding with China.
They building Naval Forces, Marines, and Air Forces like crazy.
Their Shipyards, and Factories is working 24x7

If China attack today, maybe they will lost 5,000 troops. If China attack in 2025, they will lost only 1,000 troops at max.
So just enjoy, time is siding with us

 

[OIO]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

Peaceful reunification is removed in the newest document.

 

[Mista]

This is also a sign that they have abandon the will to get Taiwan via peaceful mean. So I expect China will invade Taiwan in the future.

I don't think China will initiate and change the status quo by invading.

I mean look at HK. The PLA could just walk in easily and quell the unrest with basically zero armed resistance, but they didn't. This is despite all the tough words in their state media and the show of force with the staging of troops in Shenzhen, risking its domestic reputation within their own people of a being a paper tiger if they didn't follow through the 'threat'. But still they didn't, even when the unrest got worse and rioters started vandalizing and burning the mainland's shops there. Why not send in the PLA when the situation is already that bad?

Because the CCP is thinking of the mess and the consequences which will follow.

Now you think China will initiate by invading Taiwan and risk unnecessary political instability?

Even if the US don't intervene, China's soft power and standing in the world will nosedive for the next few decades, and there will be increased domestic resistance and wariness with dealing with China in most countries. Initiatives such as the OBOR, AIIB or internationalizing the RMB will regress to the disbenefit of 1.4B Chinese.

And even if the CCP successfully conquer or reunify Taiwan, how are they going to govern Taiwan when they just fought a war with them? Kill whoever oppose to their rule, like Imperial Japan in WWII? Or detain and send them to reeducation camps, like in Xinjiang?

For whose peoples' happiness again? Who benefits? The 23 million Taiwanese? 1.4B Chinese? The Americans?

What the CCP wants is political stability and the legitimacy to continue to govern China. Talking about the reunification of the motherland bolsters the legitimacy, but actually invading and fighting a war don't.

 

[313ghazi]

I'm not surprised. The Chinese will bide thier time, build up strength and then act as they want. Who's going to stop them?

Strength is greater than the law.

 

[manga]

Kashmir will be free. Kashmir freedom fighter will soon liberate from tyrant Hindu India.

What you are dreaming of doing in hongkong. We already did that before corona virus.
Good luck to you.

 

[OIO]

I don't think China will initiate and change the status quo by invading.

I mean look at HK. The PLA could just walk in easily and quell the unrest with basically zero armed resistance, but they didn't. This is despite all the tough words in their state media and the show of force with the staging of troops in Shenzhen, risking its domestic reputation within their own people of a being a paper tiger if they didn't follow through the 'threat'. But still they didn't, even when the unrest got worse and rioters started vandalizing and burning the mainland's shops there. Why not send in the PLA when the situation is already that bad?

Because the CCP is thinking of the mess and the consequences which will follow.

Now you think China will initiate by invading Taiwan and risk unnecessary political instability?

Even if the US don't intervene, China's soft power and standing in the world will nosedive for the next few decades, and there will be increased domestic resistance and wariness with dealing with China in most countries. Initiatives such as the OBOR, AIIB or internationalizing the RMB will regress to the disbenefit of 1.4B Chinese.

And even if the CCP successfully conquer or reunify Taiwan, how are they going to govern Taiwan when they just fought a war with them? Kill whoever opposed to their rule, like Imperial Japan in WWII? Or detain and send them to reeducation camps, like in Xinjiang?

For whose peoples' happiness again? Who benefits? The 23 million Taiwanese? 1.4B Chinese? The Americans?

What the CCP wants is political stability and the legitimacy to continue to govern China. Talking about the reunification of the motherland bolsters the legitimacy, but actually invading and fighting a war don't.

You worry about too much, it depends on the progress of decoupling.

 

[Daniel808]

I don't think China will initiate and change the status quo by invading.

I mean look at HK. The PLA could just walk in easily and quell the unrest with basically zero armed resistance, but they didn't. This is despite all the tough words in their state media and the show of force with the staging of troops in Shenzhen, risking its domestic reputation within their own people of a being a paper tiger if they didn't follow through the 'threat'. But still they didn't, even when the unrest got worse and rioters started vandalizing and burning the mainland's shops there. Why not send in the PLA when the situation is already that bad?

Because the CCP is thinking of the mess and the consequences which will follow.

Now you think China will initiate by invading Taiwan and risk unnecessary political instability?

Even if the US don't intervene, China's soft power and standing in the world will nosedive for the next few decades, and there will be increased domestic resistance and wariness with dealing with China in most countries. Initiatives such as the OBOR, AIIB or internationalizing the RMB will regress to the disbenefit of 1.4B Chinese.

And even if the CCP successfully conquer or reunify Taiwan, how are they going to govern Taiwan when they just fought a war with them? Kill whoever oppose to their rule, like Imperial Japan in WWII? Or detain and send them to reeducation camps, like in Xinjiang?

For whose peoples' happiness again? Who benefits? The 23 million Taiwanese? 1.4B Chinese? The Americans?

What the CCP wants is political stability and the legitimacy to continue to govern China. Talking about the reunification of the motherland bolsters the legitimacy, but actually invading and fighting a war don't.

You are really don't know about art of politics, don't you
And they never staging troops in Shenzhen btw.


There is a loophole in one country two system.
If Central Govt bring this national law in the beginning of demonstration, of course China will become a villain of 'peaceful' demonstration in HK.

Central Govt is waiting..waiting to those rioters make blunders
And voilla..those rioters start vandalizing and destroying public facilities, even act like terrorist attacking police with molotov bomb and burned civilian alive.

Nah today is the day for Central Government to bring national law to HK to maintain law and order in that city

 

[Mista]

You are really don't know about art of politics, don't you
And they never staging troops in Shenzhen btw.


There is a loophole in one country two system.
If Central Govt bring this national law in the beginning of demonstration, of course China will become a villain of 'peaceful' demonstration in HK.

Central Govt is waiting..waiting to those rioters make blunders
And voilla..those rioters start vandalizing and destroying public facilities, even act like terrorist attacking police with molotov bomb and burned civilian alive.

Nah today..Central Government bring national law to HK to maintain law and order in that city

呵呵，意淫真爽。

 

[Daniel808]

呵呵，意淫真爽。

Yep

 

[Mista]

Yep

 

[donkeykong]

honestly i couldn't care less about ROC. It would be a big bargaining chip to allow ROC to become their own country in the future to gain a lot of international leverage.