BLA terrorists bomb Jinnah's Ziarat residency museum.

[Meengla]

This discussion needs to be stopped.

Discuss the Army and BLA and all somewhere else, this thread is not the place for it. Further posts will be deleted and poster warned.

On the contrary, this is the time to harden the stand against the so-called Baluch nationalist and forever reject their unfair demands--by attacking a historic monument like the Jinnah Residency they have given us a very clear message. We need to reply in strongest language. We need to drive home the point that they will be isolated and defeated by political, demographic, and military means if necessary.

 

[474474]

Very sad incident.... With this those terrorists attacked the heart of pakistani's..... And you cannot measure how devastating this attack is... Because It is difficult to measure the pain.......

Does it look like we care? HAY GUIS LUK IT"S BOOM BOOM MISBAH SAXY CHAKKA HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

 

[Meengla]

Does it look like we care? HAY GUIS LUK IT"S BOOM BOOM MISBAH SAXY CHAKKA HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE

Yes, we care! From the uber liberal like me to the most conservative ones, we care! It may be a different matter that, because of a decade of extreme violence, this latest tragedy will get over-shadowed by some new ones but this will still be remembered along the same way as the flogging video of the Swat girl in 2009.

The Baluch nationalists have just made a historic mistake by doing this. They will end up on the wrong side of history. They have overplayed their cards. Mistakes like this eventually lead to defeat of separatist forces--much like Tamil Tiger's assassination of Rajiv Gandhi was a historic blunder.

 

[saiyan0321]

yaar itna afssos ho raha hai. what have our politicians said? Are they shouting? are they saying that to attack the home of jinnah is to attack Pakistan and all who attack pakistan perish? We have to answer back. Nations that forget their heroes doom themselves.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Sheikh rasheed said:
When Quaid Was Dying, The Ambulance Was Late. Today His House Was Burning, And The Fire Brigade Was Late.

 

[Meengla]

As I said, this has nothing to do with democracy. These losers have been complaining since 1948! Even Jinnah had to send forces in 1948 to sub-due the sardars. A damned, backward tribal culture jealous of the gains of other ethnic groups of Pakistan.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/w...histan-province-shake-pakistan.html?hp&_r=0#h[]

¶ Mr. Haider compared the attack to 9/11. “Those attacks were against the very symbols and values of the United States. In a way, this attack is the same thing. “

¶ It occurred just days after the installation of nationalist provincial government by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. “The expectation was that with a new nationalist government, other secessionists’ groups could be brought in,” Mr. Haider said. “With this attack, at least the Baluchistan Liberation Army has said that we reject the very basis of Pakistan.”

¶ Raza Rumi, a columnist and talk show host, said, “This is a hugely symbolic attack at the very idea of Pakistan that Baluch separatists are refusing to accept and struggling to undo.”

¶ “Baluch nationalists and separatists hold Jinnah responsible for actions against their territory,” Mr. Rumi said. “After the attack, in some of the early reactions on social media, Baluch separatists portrayed the attack as a revenge for historical wrongs.”

¶ Mr. Jinnah sent army troops into Baluchistan in 1948 to subdue Baluch leaders who were resisting accession in the new born state. Pakistan gained independence from Britain in 1947.

 

[iPhone]

Such a sad and deplorable act. Words can't describe how sad and deeply hurt I am. This wasn't just "a building" it was the last resting place of the founder of Pakistan.

My father has been there and tells us from time to time how beautiful the place is or was. Let me put this in perspective here; no longer can we go there and look at the bed where Quaid laid and slept in his last days. No longer can we look at those chairs where he sat and longer can we look at those tables and desks where he wrote his last memoirs.

All that is gone. Our next generations have been deprived of this historical building and its assets. From this point forth, no longer will we ever be able to visualize how our great founder spent his last days.

All that is gone, in dust, smoke, fire and rubble. Congratulations Pakistan govt, it's army, it's police and it's Pakistan's people. We are all responsible for this.

 

[Cyberian]

Condemnable in the strongest of terms.

I hope those who attacked know what's coming for them. Traditionally, there's always a much more powerfull retaliatory response from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

 

[Argus Panoptes]

What a terrible loss for the nation.

 

[iPhone]

I think at this point we need some introspective here. Where we are as a nation and where do we want to be. I am so shook up by this act of terrorism; I never felt this much despair about the future of Pakistan before and we've had some heart wrenching acts of terrorism committed in Pakistan in the last five years.

Why this one is so big and important is because it involves the ideology of Pakistan. We have a group of people in Pakistan, right now, who deplore it so much they've destroyed the last resting place of its founder. We have a large population of Pakistanis who have termed it as another random act of violence and terrorism.

Yes, they are sad a little but nothing much and have decided to move on. And that's what scares me. Because if history has taught us anything, it's that nations that don't respect and idolize and remember it's founders are very soon lost and trampled in history. No one remembers them and no one cares about them.

As optimistic as my fellow Pakistanis are on this site that some concrete action will be taken against the perpetrators and they will be brought to justice and that insurgency will be quelled; I have bad news for them, nothing will be done about it. BLA will continue to wreck havoc and will stay untouched.

Which brings me to my last heart breaking point. Cut your losses and leave Blochistan. As non blochis we can't go there anyway, they'll kill us on the spot. Army and FC can't do **** abut them and continue to be killed at the hands of the BLA. Innocent civilians are getting killed and today our beloved founder's last resting place was taken away from us.

Leave Blochistan. And if some years down the line Sindhis and Pathans feel the same way, they should go their separate way too. Pakistan, obviously, in its present state of four different cultures and languages was never meant to be. May be that way we can learn to respect and love each other more.............by staying away from each other. Good bye.

 

[Markus]

Yes, we care! From the uber liberal like me to the most conservative ones, we care! It may be a different matter that, because of a decade of extreme violence, this latest tragedy will get over-shadowed by some new ones but this will still be remembered along the same way as the flogging video of the Swat girl in 2009.

The Baluch nationalists have just made a historic mistake by doing this. They will end up on the wrong side of history. They have overplayed their cards. Mistakes like this eventually lead to defeat of separatist forces--much like Tamil Tiger's assassination of Rajiv Gandhi was a historic blunder.

I don't think this particular event is a mistake by the separatists, its a well thought out attack. But what LTTE did was certainly a mistake.

LTTE killed the leader of a country which used to support them, however its not the same situation here, BLA is attacking of what it considers its enemy, its not attacking its well-wishers.

So you see, there is a huge difference in what BLA did and what LTTE did.

 

[Meengla]

I don't think this particular event is a mistake by the separatists, its a well thought out attack. But what LTTE did was certainly a mistake.

LTTE killed the leader of a country which used to support them, however its not the same situation here, BLA is attacking of what it considers its enemy, its not attacking its well-wishers.

So you see, there is a huge difference in what BLA did and what LTTE did.

I beg to differ. LTTE also thought of Rajiv as an 'enemy' and that's why decided to kill him--a huge blunder.

If there is one person in Pakistan who has mostly remained non-controversial even after 60+ years it is Mr. Jinnah. Whether he is dead or alive doesn't change that this was a spit on the nationhood of Pakistan. Yes, this was 'calculated' by BLA but not all calculations are accurate. Baluch nationalists have certainly lost a lot of support from many Pakistanis who would be relatively soft on the Baluch grievances.

 

[ice_man]

CLEARLY the foreign backing of BLA seems disturbed due to the fact that a lot of positive moves have been made regarding the Chief Minister choosing plus promises to make economic free areas in gawadar!

clearly the foreign hands don't want peace & hence these moves by BLA

 

[Markus]

I beg to differ. LTTE also thought of Rajiv as an 'enemy' and that's why decided to kill him--a huge blunder.

If there is one person in Pakistan who has mostly remained non-controversial even after 60+ years it is Mr. Jinnah. Whether he is dead or alive doesn't change that this was a spit on the nationhood of Pakistan. Yes, this was 'calculated' by BLA but not all calculations are accurate. Baluch nationalists have certainly lost a lot of support from many Pakistanis who would be relatively soft on the Baluch grievances.

I agree on the bold part. Thats what I said, what LTTE did was a blunder, since they killed a leader of a country which used to support them, BIG BIG MISTAKE.

Now on the remaining part of your post - BLA considers state of Pakistan as an enemy and attacking Jinnah's residence was a very well though out move on their part. BLA is also supported by non-pakistani sources (India included), and as you said BLA has some pakistani support too.

Unless outside support is withdrawn, BLA will not go down. Just as LTTE went down bcoz India (outsider) withdrew suport.

There is nothing much you can do except carry on military ops but such sepratist movements dont go down easily.

Just as we are facing in Kashmir, with ongoing pakistani support, the separatists continue to survive despite India having half a million men in that region.

 

[Meengla]

@Markus,
I don't think you and I are in contradiction here--basically saying the same things, I think.

But BLA and indeed Baluch nationalism is a lost cause. Geography and demographics have decided their fate. At most some funding and 'safe havens' can be found in/through Afghanistan but that too can end. The Pashtuns in Baluchistan are a large percentage of the population and are very strong in Quetta--the only notable city in Baluchistan. The ethnic groups along the thinly-populated, but strategic coastline are not necessarily alienated from Pakistan.

The Baluch nationalists represent a backward, whiny ethnic group which has been complaining from day one. They will remain an irritant. Nothing more. Just like India's Sikh nationalism was a lost cause because of demographics so is the Baluch nationalist cause. That we even talk of the Baluch nationalism so much these days is because of the perceived/real support from NATO in Afghanistan...and that can change after 2014.