Biden plans to ‘recalibrate’ relations with Saudi Arabia and downgrade MBS

[Yasser76]

President Joe Biden plans to shift U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia and will conduct diplomacy through Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz rather than his powerful son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the White House said on Tuesday.

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The announcement by White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki was an abrupt reversal in U.S. policy from Biden's Republican predecessor, President Donald Trump, whose son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner maintained steady contact with the crown prince.
"We've made clear from the beginning that we are going to recalibrate our relationship with Saudi Arabia," Psaki told reporters.
While her comments about the crown prince were likely to be seen as a snub, Psaki moved to clear the air on another controversy in the region, saying Biden would soon have his first phone conversation with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
The crown prince, widely referred to as MbS, is considered by many to be the de facto leader of Saudi Arabia and next in line to the throne held by the 85-year-old King Salman.

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His prestige suffered a blow after the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018 at the hands of Saudi security personnel seen as close to the crown prince.
The Biden White House has been pressuring Saudi Arabia to improve its record on human rights, including the release of political prisoners such as women’s rights advocates from jails.
The Trump White House had found MbS the leader to deal with in Saudi Arabia and worked with him on a variety of areas, such as resolving a rift between Qatar and other Gulf nations.
As for questions about whether Biden would speak to the crown prince, Psaki said Biden is returning to "counterpart to counterpart" engagement.
"The president's counterpart is King Salman and I expect at an appropriate time he will have a conversation with him. I don’t have a prediction on the timeline for that," she said.
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Psaki said Saudi Arabia has critical self-defense needs and the United States will work with the Saudis on this "even as we make clear areas where we have disagreements and where we have concerns. And that certainly is a shift from the prior administration."
Trump was a close ally of Netanyahu and moved U.S. relations to a strong pro-Israel position with little to no contact with the Palestinians.
Psaki said Biden's first call with a leader in the region will be with Netanyahu and it will be soon. Critics had accused Biden, a Democrat, of snubbing Netanyahu by not having spoken to the leader of the top U.S. ally in the Middle East.
"Israel is of course an ally. Israel is a country where we have an important strategic security relationship, and our team is fully engaged, not at the head of state level quite yet but very soon," she said.

Biden plans to ‘recalibrate’ relations with Saudi Arabia and downgrade MBS

President Joe Biden plans to shift U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia and will conduct diplomacy through Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz rather than his powerful son, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman,…

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Well, makes sense considering both King Salman and Biden are kind of really old and have early stage dementia.

Biden's handlers were probably concerned the wily prince will run circles around demented Joe Biden in one on one situations.

Here's what King Salman needs to do, be a king boss and tell Joe that he'll just have to deal with MBS.

There was also this from a couple days ago:

Kamala Harris Is Now Making Joe Biden’s Head of State Calls for Him.

The White House published a readout yesterday entitled “Readout of Vice President Kamala Harris Call with President Emmanuel Macron of France.”

It states:

The White House published a readout yesterday entitled “Readout of Vice President Kamala Harris Call with President Emmanuel Macron of France.”

It states:

Vice President Kamala Harris spoke today with President Emmanuel Macron of France, and expressed her commitment to strengthening bilateral ties between the United States and France and to revitalizing the transatlantic alliance. Vice President Harris and President Macron agreed on the need for close bilateral and multilateral cooperation to address COVID-19, climate change, and support democracy at home and around the world. They also discussed numerous regional challenges, including those in the Middle East and Africa, and the need to confront them together. The Vice President thanked President Macron for his leadership on the issue of gender equality and for France’s contribution to NASA’s Mars 2020 Perseverance rover.

It is bizarre for a Vice President to be making contact with key world leaders just weeks into a new administration.

Harris also recently spoke with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

 

[Yasser76]

Well, makes sense considering both King Salman and Biden are kind of really old and have early stage dementia.

Biden's handlers were probably concerned the wily prince will run circles around demented Joe Biden in one on one situations.

Here's what King Salman needs to do, be a king boss and tell Joe that he'll just have to deal with MBS.

There was also this from a couple days ago:

Kamala Harris Is Now Making Joe Biden’s Head of State Calls for Him.

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The White House published a readout yesterday entitled “Readout of Vice President Kamala Harris Call with President Emmanuel Macron of France.”

It states:

The White House published a readout yesterday entitled “Readout of Vice President Kamala Harris Call with President Emmanuel Macron of France.”

It states:

Vice President Kamala Harris spoke today with President Emmanuel Macron of France, and expressed her commitment to strengthening bilateral ties between the United States and France and to revitalizing the transatlantic alliance. Vice President Harris and President Macron agreed on the need for close bilateral and multilateral cooperation to address COVID-19, climate change, and support democracy at home and around the world. They also discussed numerous regional challenges, including those in the Middle East and Africa, and the need to confront them together. The Vice President thanked President Macron for his leadership on the issue of gender equality and for France’s contribution to NASA’s Mars 2020 Perseverance rover.

It is bizarre for a Vice President to be making contact with key world leaders just weeks into a new administration.

Harris also recently spoke with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Unsure what the point of your rant is.

 

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Unsure what the point of your rant is.

Inglistan me rehte ho, but angrezi nahi aati..

it wasn't a "rant", just commenting on how Biden's handlers plan to "downgrade" MBS and talk with the King himself.

I can Imagine Biden and King Salman discussing world affairs and both keep forgetting wtf they are talking about

 

[Yasser76]

Inglistan me rehte ho, but angrezi nahi aati..

it wasn't a "rant", just commenting on how Biden's handlers plan to "downgrade" MBS and talk with the King himself.

I can Imagine Biden and King Salman discussing world affairs and both keep forgetting wtf they are talking about

OK, lets keep this a geo political discussion, if we wanted to comment on temprment and education of world leaders it's not a road you would be comfortable going down....

 

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OK, lets keep this a geo political discussion, if we wanted to comment on temprment and education of world leaders it's not a road you would be comfortable going down....

Sure, so my take was that Biden's handlers are wary of him taking on a sharp young guy like MBS, the wily Prince of Arabia. It would be fun if king Salman, who himself seems a bit cognitively compromised, let's say, were to just tell Biden off and that he must deal with MBS.

Remember Trump warning for months on the trail that Biden 'isn't quite there' to deal with all of these very smart world leaders (like them or not).. ?

this is exactly what seems to be playing out right now.

The weapons deals are also in limbo now pending a review, but will probably go through anyway..

What is your take away from all this, Biden not yet having spoken to Bibi, Psaki making comments about "recalibrating" relations and how Biden will only speak to Salman Sr etc ? Is this a way of making overtures to Tehran who have been burnt bad by the Trump admin's abrupt volte/about-face wrt to the JCPOA ?

 

[hussain0216]

MBS has been a dickhead of epic proportions

 

[Titanium100]

If I was MbS I would completely cut ties with the US and invite Turkey and Pakistan into the region. They will commit several genocides if anyone gets out of line.

Make nuclear installations in Saudi Arabia. The region will enter a long peace and prosperity era.

Saudi Arabia has powerful cards under it's sleazy. It could also invite potential of other allies to the region such Egypt, Algeria etc etc and it can invite more allies then mentioned. The potential is endless and everyone is strong and capable.

Sometimes when a vacuum is opened something far stronger, determined and beneficial can come thru

 

[Yasser76]

Sure, so my take was that Biden's handlers are wary of him taking on a sharp young guy like MBS, the wily Prince of Arabia. It would be fun if king Salman, who himself seems a bit cognitively compromised, let's say, were to just tell Biden off and that he must deal with MBS.

Remember Trump warning for months on the trail that Biden 'isn't quite there' to deal with all of these very smart world leaders (like them or not).. ?

this is exactly what seems to be playing out right now.

The weapons deals are also in limbo now pending a review, but will probably go through anyway..

What is your take away from all this, Biden not yet having spoken to Bibi, Psaki making comments about "recalibrating" relations and how Biden will only speak to Salman Sr etc ? Is this a way of making overtures to Tehran who have been burnt bad by the Trump admin's abrupt volte/about-face wrt to the JCPOA ?

That maybe your take, the rest if the world seems to think Biden just wants to take MBS down a peg or two, and he has already taken actions to prove this (halting arms sales) but I am aware now your agenda often blinds you to facts when they do not suite your argument

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

If I was MbS I would completely cut ties with the US and invite Turkey and Pakistan into the region. They will commit several armenian genocides if anyone gets out of line.

Make nuclear installations in Saudi Arabia. The region will enter a long peace and prosperity era.

Saudi Arabia has powerful cards under it's sleazy. It could also invite potential of other allies to the region such Egypt, Algeria etc etc and it can invite more allies then mentioned. The potential is endless and everyone is strong and capable.

Sometimes when a vacuum is opened something far stronger, determined and beneficial can come thru

What are you talking about? We have nothing that the Saudi Arabians want and need that they can't get from somewhere else.

 

[HAIDER]

What are you talking about? We have nothing that the Saudi Arabians want and need that they can't get from somewhere else.

Pakistan already transfer ballistic missile technology, massive operation run by Pak army. But, Saudi's has to stay with US with hundreds of reasons.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Pakistan already transfer ballistic missile technology, massive operation run by Pak army. But, Saudi's has to stay with US with hundreds of reasons.

Let's be honest, they can get better ballistic missiles from Russia, China, America etc. They don't need us. They are a super wealthy nation and can purchase anything they want. We are poor and struggling to survive.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

MBS will go back the way he came....

 

[HAIDER]

Let's be honest, they can get better ballistic missiles from Russia, China, America etc. They don't need us. They are a super wealthy nation and can purchase anything they want. We are poor and struggling to survive.

Nothing to hide , deal is done and production. But Saudi may demand for nuclear carrier one. They want technology not ready made missile ... they are asking for more then they can chew ... any wrong move by Pak and transfer of any type of nuclear or nuclear related technology transfer will see massive sanctions.
In the 1990s, Pakistan secretly built a plant for medium-range missiles using blueprints and equipment supplied by China. The factory in Pakistan has long drawn the attention of top Saudi officials.” Indeed, the new Saudi facility is similar in size and layout to a Pakistani site at Khanpur northwest of Islamabad, constructed in the early 1990s to assemble the Chinese M-11 missiles that form part of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal Facility location al-Watah, an existing missile site southwest of Riyadh
It really pissed me off when our people bent over in love of arabs so much .....Pakistan did alot and doing alot,but never advertise their favors.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Nothing to hide , deal is done and production. But Saudi may demand for nuclear carrier one. They want technology not ready made missile ... they are asking for more then they can chew ... any wrong move by Pak and transfer of any type of nuclear or nuclear related technology transfer will see massive sanctions.
In the 1990s, Pakistan secretly built a plant for medium-range missiles using blueprints and equipment supplied by China. The factory in Pakistan has long drawn the attention of top Saudi officials.” Indeed, the new Saudi facility is similar in size and layout to a Pakistani site at Khanpur northwest of Islamabad, constructed in the early 1990s to assemble the Chinese M-11 missiles that form part of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal Facility location al-Watah, an existing missile site southwest of Riyadh
It really pissed me off when our people bent over in love of arabs so much .....Pakistan did alot and doing alot,but never advertise their favors.
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TBH no one is going to have a nuclear war with the Saudis and if they really want nukes they can get it from America, China, Russia or France. They certainly don't need us for nuclear weapons. As far as Pakistan is concerned, our nukes are our survival guarantee. Any war with our enemies will not be limited but will be a war of annihilation of those that seek to harm us. The Saudis don't figure in that.