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My dear Saudi brothers,

You can't always speak out what you think is right, sometimes, it's better to keep it to yourselves as not all people know what we know and understand the real situation between Arabs and Iran with all it's complexities, historical, religious, geographic and political bifurcations that we have been living their implications for decades and even centuries which have peaked to the highest level in history for the last 33 years and still going on.
So Arab think Iran more threat than Israel (who have slaughtered Palestine and we have not accepted yet Isreal)...
What a shame we muslim cutting each others on political ground like Pakistan did in 1971 (because of India was playing the part of highting the things like now US and WEST are playing part to make muslim killing each other)...
Oh God mercy please on muslims...

Long live UMMAH!
 
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[:::~Spartacus~:::];3454551 said:
and when in future america or some enemy attacks makkah and medina, you will cry and ask help from entire muslim world to save it, its a muslim duty and all that, guess what your personal property, you take care of it.. we dont :tup:

hows that sounds

Well I guess the Sikhs can claim the shrines located in Lahore, and the Indians practising zoroastrianism can claim the Iranian shrines.

And Saudia Arabia has a far better air force and army than all other muslim nations, save perhaps Turkey. They have the real stuff, not the Chinese copies of Russian planes.

Saudia Arabia is among the top military spenders in the world, ranking among France and the UK.
They are more than ready to stop an Iranian invasion without calling on the "muslim world" for help.
 
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What's with you Banu Umayyah? Your posts are really disturbing.

some people IDs are here hacked by some arrogant non-muslims I suspect...

You should know that no Arab is superior over a non-Arab and, no non-Arab is superior over any Arab, no white is superior over black and no black is superior over white. Superiority is by righteousness and God-fearing [alone]. (Ibn Hanbal, Musnad, 411)

undoutedly we love arabs more than any other race on the planet, but our bro is giving so tough stance on the thread like if our relations has been more like master/slave...but we have to continue our love for muslims even on one way (if it is KSA or IRAN), Allah has made us strong and we don't need the same from other way...we just doing our duty...if you restrict holy places (which are in your possession but they are for all muslims, no copy righted to KSA either....if you restricting muslims on the ground of arrogance then you are sinnful (and we keep praying for our brother to understan ISLAM and stay away from such things which make UMMAH shattered PLEASE!!!)...
Period..
 
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He is there to sell snake oil to Arab Countries (bunch of thugs) and international community.Anyway it reminds me of this picture when a representative of USA lied to world to invade a nation.
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Lets be realistic, Saudi air force is no where near as advanced as Israeli air force. Its not about bravery or cowardly, its about capability or lack thereof. There have been reports questioning if the US itself is able to totally destroy Iranian heavily fortified nuclear facilites without nukes or land invasion, because of the lack of a strong enough conventional bomb, so why assume we can?
Also, have you heard the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
Simply put, Israel poses no serious threat to Saudi national security, since we don't have a border dispute or a border for that matter with them. Iran on the other hand, we are already in war with them, and the battleground is Syria, Lebanon and Yemen, so yes I have absolutely no problem with Israel attacking Iran, In fact I think it should be a triple assault: US, SA and Israel. Either way, we will be dragged to this war whether we like it or not, might as well choose teams. You deal with your problems by urgency, nuclear Iran is an emergency.
Please read my entire post and regardless of my nationality/religion,judge by yourself if I'm speaking sane or not.

I don't want to preach you about typical issues we discuss about Iran and Saudi Arabia everyday.
Just one thing.You don't know the meaning of the word 'Enemy' very well.Iran and Saudi Arabia are not enemies,they are rivals that seek tho increase their hegemony in region.Maybe you don't agree with me,but what U.S is doing to KSA is exactly like what it did to Iran before revolution.They showed us an evil messianic crazy power called Soviet Union and made us believe that we should expect a Soviet attack everyday from the north.They abused ideological differences between Iran and USSR (Communist non believers and Muslims) and made us buy multi billion dollars of U.S arms,also U.S had a police state that would protect advancement of Soviet hegemony.But guess what?Only days after Shah left Iran,U.S military expert in Iran sabotaged lots of the jet fighters and other arms they sold to Iran and took critical spare parts.The same U.S that was deadly silent about Shah's tyrannical dictatorship and human right abuses,suddenly became worried about human rights and lives of Iranians after revolution.The same country that overthrew Iran's democratically elected government in 1953,suddenly started preaching democracy to us.All of this happened before Iran officially declares its stance toward United States.

Today,history is repeating itself,Iran is shown as a devil messianic warmonger country to you and you should expect an attack from it everyday(You can be sure Iran will never attack Saudi Arabia,this is stupidity and there is no point in it).U.S is using this exact excuse to sell Multi-billions of dollars of arms to KSA to 'prevent' the spreading of Iran's hegemony.

Believe me,even if Iran's government is gone,it's Saudi Arabia's turn,because it has potential to challenge U.S interests in the region and become hostile to U.S through a sudden revolution or revolt (remember no one even thought that a revolution may happen in Iran 2 years before it).

I don't expect you to agree with my words and I really can't convince you today,but we can sit and watch what will happen in coming years.You will 'believe' in what I just said.
 
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Bibi’s Crazy UN Speech
Medievalist poses as champion of “modernity”

By Justin Raimondo

September 28, 2012 "Information Clearing House" - It’s no wonder the Israeli Foreign Ministry initially held back from releasing a transcript of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to the UN General Assembly: Bibi’s wackiness doesn’t bear close scrutiny. Perhaps “wacky” isn’t quite the right word for his 40-minute peroration, during which he pulled out a bomb “diagram” and a red marker to illustrate where he would draw a “red line” defining the outer limits of Iran’s nuclear program. Cartoonish is more like it. The cartoonish quality of the bomb drawing underscored the content and tone of the speech, which was the jeremiad of a radical ideologue rather than anything one would expect from a statesman:

“Today a great battle is being waged between the modern and the medieval. Israel stands proudly with the forces of modernity. We protect the right of all our citizens, men and women, Jews and Arabs, Muslims and Christians, all are equal before the law.”

Israel, which privileges its priestly caste, has a state religion, and bases its national mythology on a “promise” from G-d, is as medieval as any of its neighbors. Aside from being a lie, however, this statement is interesting because it evokes the very same supremacist spirit that animates the controversial pro-Israel public relations campaign launched by the Jewish state’s extremist American supporters. Posters in the public transport system, from New York to San Francisco, proclaim:

“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat jihad.”

No wonder the Israeli consulates in New York and San Francisco won’t disavow those vile subway posters: Pamela Geller is the new public face of Israel.

Yes, Israel protects the rights of all citizens – unless they’re Palestinians who happen to own property coveted by the “settlers,” in which case it doesn’t. And the key word here is citizens: of course, the Palestinians in the occupied territories are not citizens, but helots, with no rights, and no protection from fanatical Jewish fundamentalists who have launched hundreds of attacks on their homes, and sought to displace them at every opportunity, with the active complicity of the Israeli government.

This idea that Israel represents “modernity” is rich, considering that every day Israeli society is sinking lower into the morass of religious and cultural fundamentalism, a regression that has not gone unnoticed in the West. Bibi opened his speech with biblical references, describing Jersusalem as the “eternal capital” of Israel and declaring that “the Jewish state will live forever.” Yet as we secularists know, nothing lives “forever,” and the idea of a city being the “eternal” capital of anything is a metaphor, at best, at worst a dangerous delusion. If this is the “modern” then one wonders how much it differs from the “medieval.” But let’s not linger too long over the obvious. Bibi rants on:

“Militant Islam has many branches, from the rulers of Iran with their revolutionary guards to al-Qaeda… but they’re all rooted in the same soil. It’s not whether this fanaticism will be defeated, but how many lives will be lost before it’s defeated. Nothing could emperil my country more than arming Iran with nuclear weapons. To imagine what the world would be like with a nuclear Iran, imagine what the world would be like with a nuclear al-Qaeda. There’s no difference.”

The Israeli Prime Minister may have been addressing the UN General Assembly, but he was really talking to the Americans, whose fear and loathing of the perpetrators of the 9/11 attacks can always be counted on to raise them to new levels of hysteria. Outside that context, however, equating the Iranians with Al Qaeda makes about as much sense as likening the late unlamented Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden – and, hey wait, didn’t we hear that equation made endlessly in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq? Yet this was not a time for subtlety from the Israeli Prime Minister – the cartoon “bomb” ended all hope of that – but for the crudest sort of propaganda, which is, of course, war propaganda.

Imagine if Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas, who addressed the UN that day minutes before Netanyahu took the stage, had said: “Militant Judaism has many branches, from the Washington offices of AIPAC to the center of Jewish power in Tel Aviv – but they’re all rooted in the same soil” of intolerance? Picture him conjuring images of violent Jewish “fanaticism” – not a hard task, given what is happening in Israel today. If he had done so, Abbas would have been denounced in every Western capital as the 21st century incarnation of Hitler.

Netanyahu went on to cite the nonexistent “record of Iranian aggression without nuclear weapons” – an odd claim, since Iran hasn’t attacked a single one of its neighbors since the Battle of Thermopylae. The country did fight one war in modern times, when it was attacked by Iraq, which was being backed by the United States. However, it’s necessary to remember that war propaganda has no need of facts: only emotionally-charged evocations of rage – and fear:

“Given this record of Iranian aggression without nuclear weapons, just imagine an Iran with nuclear weapons. Who among you would feel safe in the Middle East? Who’d be safe in Europe? Who’d be safe in America? Who’d be safe anywhere?”

That this alleged champion of “modernity” should base his case on fearmongering should come as no surprise: hasn’t fear been the leitmotif of all the “modern” ideologies of aggressive nationalism? Fear of the Other, of the barbarian at the gates – the “savage” who, at the first opportunity, will tear your throat out with his bare teeth – is what keeps ideologues like Netanyahu and his American co-thinkers in business.

Those Eye-ranians, says Bibi, aren’t like the rest of us, which is why deterrence won’t work. “Iran’s apocalyptic leaders” are awaiting the return of the Mahdi, a holy man, whose reappearance is supposed to occur after a devastating war:

“Militant jihadists are not secular Marxists. Militant jihadists behave very differently. There were no Soviet suicide bombers.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the Israelis also awaiting the return of Someone Special, a Messiah who will lead them out of the wilderness and establish the Kingdom of Jerusalem as His earthly domain? Militant jihadists may not be secular Marxists – but then again, militant Zionists aren’t, either. I would no more trust nuclear bombs in Bibi’s hands than I would in Ahmahdinejad’s – the difference being that the former is actually in possession of such weapons.

Which brings us to the absurdity of this lecture by the leader of the only nuclear-armed country in the region: here is a nation which refuses to even admit it acquired nukes long ago, and which disdains the Nonproliferation Treaty, making the case for war against a neighbor that has indeed signed the NPT and is abiding by its requirements.

That treaty gives Tehran the right to develop nuclear power. Furthermore, there is zero evidence Iran is embarked on a nuclear weapons program: our own intelligence community tells us they gave that up in 2003 and show no signs of resuming it. Their own religious and political leaders have denounced the possession of nuclear weapons as sinful: the Israelis, on the other hand, haven’t bothered reassuring us they would never use the nuke they won’t admit they have.

In a rational world, Israel would be in the dock, answering for its unwillingness to come out of the nuclear closet and admit what the whole world knows by now. Indeed, Bibi could give us some insight into exactly how Israel stole acquired the materials to build its formidable nuclear arsenal – since, according to recently declassified documents, he was directly involved.

In the world in which we are living, however, in which the innocent are put on trial and the guilty sit in judgement, the situation is quite different. In that world, the leader of a tiny nation entirely dependent on US largesse takes to the UN podium to issue his marching orders to Washington. Here is my “red line,” says Bibi – daring not only the Iranians but also the Americans to cross it.

Think of Netanyahu’s UN oration as just another Romney campaign speech, in which the GOP presidential candidate says Tehran must not be allowed to get “one turn of the screwdriver away” from joining the nuclear club. According to Netanyahu, Iran is nearly at that point today, and will have a nuclear weapon in less than a year if the US fails to act.

This is technical nonsense, but then again the truth has nothing to do with war propaganda: to the average American, the mere possession of weapons-grade uranium means all the Iranians have to do is plug it in and hurl it, slingshot style, in the general direction of Israel. This is an impression Israeli propagandists would dearly love to inculcate in the American public, and they have the great advantage of relying on general ignorance of the technical details. Good luck explaining to Mr. Average American why it would take a good four years after they’ve weaponized their nuclear material for the Iranians to create a useable nuke.

The ticking-bomb theme, which has been used to justify everything from torture to the invasion of Iraq, permeates Israeli propaganda in the US and was a cental theme of Bibi’s speech. His message was clear: “the hour is getting late.” We must act without giving too much thought to the possible consequences. Don’t delay, don’t think, act now – before the fraud is exposed, and we discover that – as in the case of the Iraqis – those “weapons of mass destruction” were just a figment of our easily manipulated collective imagination.

Justin Raimondo is the editorial director of Antiwar.com, and a senior fellow at the Randolph Bourne Institute. He is a contributing editor at The American Conservative, and writes a monthly column for Chronicles. He is the author of Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement [Center for Libertarian Studies, 1993; Intercollegiate Studies Institute, 2000], and An Enemy of the State: The Life of Murray N. Rothbard [Prometheus Books, 2000].

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- it's wrong to say Israel is your friend just like that, it has destructive repercussions on KSA. I understand that if Israel attacked Iran, Iran would respond by attacking GCC countries, but let them do it first anyway.

Without Saudi involvement - even alliance - Israel may attain its military and political objectives but KSA may fail to gain its full objectives.

...You have to understand that you MUST not trust Israelis ever.
If you can't engage a trusted friend the next best thing is to engage a trustworthy enemy. The Palestinians repeatedly over decades consider Israelis enemies yet trust them with their lives, whether its in military offensives (put aside the propaganda), critical supplies, financing, or medical treatment. There's a lesson to be learned there.
 
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Without Saudi involvement - even alliance - Israel may attain its military and political objectives but KSA may fail to gain its full objectives.

alliance?! with who? Israel?:lol: and what objectives are you talking about?
 
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Only the Sauds know the real answer to that question - assuming they've decided what those objectives are, of course.

To tell an Arab that he is allied with Israel in this specific occasion is more of an insult, Arab and Israeli objectives might meet regarding Iran but it's unintentional at all, it's like Isreal/GCC enmity with Iraq in GW1, when Israel abstained from responding to Iraqi missiles attack, so they don't foil international coalition because Arabs would never fight side by side with Israel against anyone. Israel may have one chance of attacking Iran by surprise but after that, their jets wouldn't be able to reach Iran, because that would simply turn Arab people against their regimes into supporting Iran.
 
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To tell an Arab that he is allied with Israel in this specific occasion is more of an insult
Take back the insult: it's good to be a Zionist!

Arabs would never fight side by side with Israel against anyone.
Why was Moshe Dayan blind in one eye? He lost it fighting with the Arabs, liberating Damascus from the French: link

You should recall that in more recent times the Iranians have responded to the threat of an Arab-Jew alliance very promptly. During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon War the mullahs' local stooges, Hezbollah, bombarded Israeli cities, including Arab ones like Acre. Israel's Arab leaders then went on TV and threatened to join the IDF to defeat Hezbollah. The result was an apology by Hezbollah's leader and the cessation of Hezbollah's bombardment of Arab cities and towns.
 
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Take back the insult: it's good to be a Zionist!

Why was Moshe Dayan blind in one eye? He lost it fighting with the Arabs, liberating Damascus from the French: link

You should recall that in more recent times the Iranians have responded to the threat of an Arab-Jew alliance very promptly. During the 2006 Israel-Lebanon War the mullahs' local stooges, Hezbollah, bombarded Israeli cities, including Arab ones like Acre. Israel's Arab leaders then went on TV and threatened to join the IDF to defeat Hezbollah. The result was an apology by Hezbollah's leader and the cessation of Hezbollah's bombardment of Arab cities and towns.

Someone shoot me in the eye...:suicide:

Talking to you gives me the creep..
 
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I'm not surprised. Don't let that stop you from pressing forward and liberating yourself from your chains.

Because your words are creepy, you are a racist hater as it's clear in your threads and posts which happen to be anti Arab and Muslims, your people have been oppressing Palestinians for 63 years, you still occupy their lands and refuse any peace initiative, and yet want my friendship. Sorry, I can't.
 
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Because your words are creepy, you are a racist hater as it's clear in your threads and posts which happen to be anti Arab and Muslims, your people have been oppressing Palestinians for 63 years, you still occupy their lands and refuse any peace initiative, and yet want my friendship. Sorry, I can't.
I urge you to re-consider these words and examine if they have real content or if they are merely reflexive cant, the product of generations of brainwashing by the powers-that-be.
 
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