Bhutan, Nepal, Japan, Australia... India's China policy in view now?

[kalanirnay]

I don't look at India badly. It's people like you who make many people wonder what India as a nation is really made out of?

I don't have to think we can use India. We HAVE BEEN. And it'll be the case. You always need to align with a bigger power to show the world you hang out with the Big Bosses. It is wasn't for Israel and the US, the Chinese would take your lunch from your hand, sit and eat it in front of you and then take your lunch box away. Like they've done at the border with your mighty forces many times. All you could do, was to show a small video of 20 - 20 soldiers yelling at each other. No mention of hundreds of miles they took over and do take over at pleasure. First time in the history you are getting real advanced systems from the "big boys". So that's the reality no matter how you look at it.

And we didn't eat our words. We will build many reactors for you and will be paid for those services. Its called business interests and we are extremely good at that if you forgot. The jobs were outsourced to bring your economy up so we can actually get a big slice of it and we are, and will.

I should expect racist name calling from you of course. You can't get away from what's a part of your religion and culture. The race, cast level shows up in everyone of your and your other Indian cousins posts. Tells everyone how used to you guys are to treat others based on a pre-judged cast system that then puts other's intellect and capability in the same shi*tty cast. Only in India, two people looking the same, can be treated so differently. One like a king due to the higher class and the other one, like dirt due to the lower cast level. When will you guys come out of this cast based mess? Its 21st century? Every single post of yours shows that real inferiority (hidden behind the new online only superiority) complex.

I don't look at the US badly either. Its people like you who make one wonder what US as a nation is really made out of.

If US has 'used' India, then India has 'used' US too. It goes with the territory. As I said, the illusions of US grandeur is only in your head. It was the US under Nixon who pumped up China full of steroids to tackle Russia. Today that Frankenstein monster is out to get you

It was the US which gave rise to islamic terrorism in the Middle east, now that is the second Frankenstein monster which is out to get you.

When China took over Tibet it was the US who shuddered in its boots while we gave asylum to the Dalai lama.

Go peddle your stories to the rest of the world where they might believe you. Your snake oil does not sell in India.

Good luck with hopes of building those reactors.

Name calling and contempt is reserved for people like you who are white on the inside and muslim on the outside. Who think they can mock Indians and get away with it.

Go fight for minority rights in the US. Your new age blacks callled 'Hispanics' still mow your lawn and trim your gardens and get below minimum wage. Get all those blacks out of American prison where they make up the majority of the prison population. Then come back and lecture us about caste

Your ignorant rant about caste in India shows your awareness level which is not surprising considering the fact that your are american. Let me worry about my "complex" .......... you the new afro version of sigmund freud ?

 

[faisal6309]

Who won kargil then? Did the momins manage to liberate kashmir....which was the basic objective of the war? That was an epic fail.Forget bangladesh for a moment....what were you doing when we set bonfire in karachi harbor? Russians just warded off your guardian...for which we are grateful to them!

No one won Kargil. We had our own issues and you intervened. We had to fight and when we started deploying our nuclear weapons, you started talking about peace.
In 1971, we were at civil war and you intervened. There was nothing of your concern, still you started war with Pakistan. Bangladesh got seperation and I am glad that they got seperation because there was nothing we could do at that time.

Russians paid for what they did later.

looooooooooooooool 71 looooooooooooooooool

You did intervened in our matters. You never did anything good enough to break us. It was we ourselves.

what were americans and british doing in south asia during 1971 war ???

soviets were called in only after u realized that us and british military intervention was necessary against india as u guys were losing

When you intervened in our matters, our allies had to do something to stop you thats why they were there. You Indians have always tried to intervened in our matters even when it is not of your concern.

Soviets have already paid for what they did.

China was weak, and India didn't even had a decent military to speak of back then, Nehru believed that a country like India with no natural enemies didn't need a military, only police is enough for its security!! The plan was to bring down Indian military to 150,000 personnel only, in 1962 we had close to 250,000 military personnel with WW2 era Enfield rifles, as not a single penny was spent on military modernization in last 15 years since independence, and almost ALL of them were posted in Pakistan border. There were several high-level army reports to PMO about Chinese military build-up and probable attack with specifics to counter them, but Nehru sat on those reports for years and did nothing, as he relied more on his stupid civilian defence minister who was couple of notch more naive than Nehru in military matters.

It was your own problem. If you had went for peace with Pakistan before, we would not be at this point.

Add to that, Nehru never really fought the war (He was always a reluctant decision maker, as I see him), for a month of attack he didn't send any enforcement from our western border, he didn't send our reserves stationed at Eastern bases, he didn't even send supply when our ill-equipped army ran out of ammo, he didn't use air-force when China was not in a position to provide much of resistance on air in that particular region, and all this when our 8,000-10,000 soldiers were facing about 100,000 better-equipped Chinese soldiers with LMGs. Btw, Nehru was busy sending peace-keeping missions to Korea though!!

China was also using donated military hardware from Soviet. It was you who was eager for war.

It was only after 1962 that India started militarizing, and started counting China as a threat. A lot has changed since 1962 to predict any outcome based on that war. @Genesis for you also. Okay, let me tag @Chinese-Dragon also.

You made your own enemies. You started war with them. Now you should suffer. After all these years, you are still not going for peace talks with Pakistan as well as China but modernizing your military and spending billions of dollars which can be spent on 1 billion poor population in India.

 

[Viper0011.]

I don't look at the US badly either.
If US has 'used' India, then India has 'used' US too. It goes with the territory. As I said, the illusions of US grandeur is only in your head. It was the US under Nixon who pumped up China full of steroids to tackle Russia. Today that Frankenstein monster is out to get you
It was the US which gave rise to islamic terrorism in the Middle east, now that is the second Frankenstein monster which is out to get you.
When China took over Tibet it was the US who shuddered in its boots while we gave asylum to the Dalai lama.
Your ignorant rant about caste in India shows your awareness level which is not surprising considering the fact that your are american. Let me worry about my "complex" .......... you the new afro version of sigmund freud ?

You don't look at the US badly but everything underneath that line tells me the hate inside your heart for the US. Its ok, we know it, its not foreign. By the way, we are STILL building them reactors as that's a huge piece of business for us

If we pumped up the China, we are giving you the same steroid too, and you are taking them. To YOU the Chinese are the Frankenstein, to us, they are a calculated risk that will always be limited to its "littoral waters", and can surround you guys easily.......so you are right. Be prepared for the Frankenstein in your backyard.

And the US didn't give rise to the Islamic anything. The Lebanese blasts, the Libyan terrorism and all was happening way before our involvement and among themselves. We were asked to protect after Saddam attacked Kuwait and we did....part of being an ally and having basis in their countries. We did fight the Soviets and that all was 3 decades ago. In your region (including India), people are super emotional about religion, culture and cast system so after 3 decades, the crap is still out in the shape of Taliban. Too bad, they have been crippled too.

We are concerned about Hindu (RSS, Shive Sena and all) doing terrorism to Christians and Muslims and the fear is, with hundred killed by hindu nationalists, when will this terrorism stop???

And yes, you can call me whatever you think I may be, Freud or Afro or both. I am GLAD, I am not from a Hindu cast system where I'd be taught from my childhood to treat people good or abusively based on their cast and money. If I had a wife, she also doesn't have to worry about burning herself on my dead body if I died before her!!

 

[kalanirnay]

You don't look at the US badly but everything underneath that line tells me the hate inside your heart for the US. Its ok, we know it, its not foreign. By the way, we are STILL building them reactors as that's a huge piece of business for us

If we pumped up the China, we are giving you the same steroid too, and you are taking them. To YOU the Chinese are the Frankenstein, to us, they are a calculated risk that will always be limited to its "littoral waters", and can surround you guys easily.......so you are right. Be prepared for the Frankenstein in your backyard.

And the US didn't give rise to the Islamic anything. The Lebanese blasts, the Libyan terrorism and all was happening way before our involvement and among themselves. We were asked to protect after Saddam attacked Kuwait and we did....part of being an ally and having basis in their countries. We did fight the Soviets and that all was 3 decades ago. In your region (including India), people are super emotional about religion, culture and cast system so after 3 decades, the crap is still out in the shape of Taliban. Too bad, they have been crippled too.

We are concerned about Hindu (RSS, Shive Sena and all) doing terrorism to Christians and Muslims and the fear is, with hundred killed by hindu nationalists, when will this terrorism stop???

And yes, you can call me whatever you think I may be, Freud or Afro or both. I am GLAD, I am not from a Hindu cast system where I'd be taught from my childhood to treat people good or abusively based on their cast and money. If I had a wife, she also doesn't have to worry about burning herself on my dead body if I died before her!!

LOL. You are not important enough for me to hate. as I said, Such illusions of grandeur is only in your head. One suspects it compensates for your inferiority complex. But that is your problem. I don't care either way.

You are no one to give us steroids , china was eager to jump into your lap, we are not. To us the chinese represent an OPPORTUNITY to change the world order and have a huge trading partner and another nation with similar values to share the world with. We can surround china far more easily than china can ever surround us. But we don't want that. We love having a rich trading partner in our neighbourhood. One that crack downs on islam and hates muslim ....though they do not say it out loud. One that will help us replace the US rule and help us make the world multi polar with a much diminished role for the US. Its a world order that suits us fine and we look forward to it.

It was the US which thwarted democracy in the Middle east by supporting dictators and kings just to make sure the world trades in OIL using the US dollar thus replacing gold as the fundamental. The rest of the worlds knows this even as americans remain unaware for the reason for hate.

Its funny to hear a islamic brotherhood nut case like you talk about getting emotional about religion.

Feel free to fear the Hindus and deny Visa to Modi ...... we will enjoy seeing you swallow your pride again and grant visa to modi. I will especially enjoy watching Barack HUSSAIN obama welcome Modi.

Continue ranting about castes and hindus .... makes one certain you have pakistani blood in you. I can understand if you are ashamed of this and want to hid this fact.

If you had a wife, you will have to change her religion to islam and worry about your father not impregnating her which will result in her having to marrry your father and calling you son. Read the Sharia yet ?

 

[Viper0011.]

LOL. You are not important enough for me to hate. as I said, Such illusions of grandeur is only in your head. One suspects it compensates for your inferiority complex. But that is your problem. I don't care either way.

If you had a wife, you will have to change her religion to islam and worry about your father not impregnating her which will result in her having to marrry your father and calling you son. Read the Sharia yet ?

Blah, Blah and more Blah after your rear's on fire.. But the last part seems like a continuation of the same propaganda. Could someone reading this who knows Sharia please answer this? I am going to call a few friends up tomorrow to confirm this. I doubt this is even close to being true. This is the stuff that happens in Hinduism, that's why there is a rape epidemic. But if no one responds, I'll respond tomorrow. Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything so I'll ask around and research before responding.

 

[Roybot]

@kalanirnay just so you know, you are talking to a Pakistani American, sitting pretty behind two American flags. Suddenly all the bias and hate will make sense to you.

 

[greatone]

@kalanirnay just so you know, you are talking to a Pakistani American, sitting pretty behind two American flags. Suddenly all the bias and hate will make sense to you.

Its all too apparent from the inferiority complex this member so frequently demonstrates

 

[jbond197]

@kalanirnay just so you know, you are talking to a Pakistani American, sitting pretty behind two American flags. Suddenly all the bias and hate will make sense to you.

The name itself is a big giveaway for one to realize that. I am not aware of a single American who would have even heard about Auranzeb. Also considering the kind of fanatic Auranzeb was, and the way he butchered non-muslims, only a Pakistani (be it resident/non resident) can be his fan. Add to that most the user in question posts are extremely anti-Hindu & anti-Indian, give me one reason why an American would be such a Hinduism/Indian hater?

 

[acid rain]

Oh the grandiosity about India.
Do you think that you are the ONLY ones with brain in your body? The rest of the countries, specifically, the US has lost its brain power for some reason? A country that has been ruling the world and playing strategy, literally has lost it and "you, the mighty India" are using us as a business opportunity???? Here's the reality, sorry, it is ABOUT to bite:

1) We and others look at India as a market, someone who'll buy our weapons and will modernize its military. Resulting in us (The Americans, the Australians and others) , will use you as a "cheaper and readily available" rent a military force to be used for OUR purposes. Call this the NEXT phase of job outsourcing, we are outsourcing military jobs to you in this case, while we still rule the world.
So, yea, this is the reality, you guys buy our weapons and give us some of the $$ back even with the TOT or not. Next, you guys be used for military issues. You want to show your little macho muscles with your small 600 jet force, we have issues for you where using you is much cheaper than moving a CBG 1000 miles away (just like the IT jobs situation). And it'll give your military a chance to show some muscles and get paid.

2) The US and Japan and Australia don't feel shi*t. They want to sell you stuff and that's the bottom line. The US at WILL can literally go into any country and do what its supposed to do. When it comes to a military solution, we know how to manage it, this is 2014. A FULL Century since the WWI. So a hundred years of military conflicts and strategy.

Remember, the love affair started with India having a billion people. It'll remain the case till your economy is saturated. Then you'll become like Germany, we'll go say hi and all probably have Naval facilities. But it won't be a "strategic relationship" beyond interests. At the end, we would we've made the money, you got paid for your military services and now you are a "friendly" semi modern country.

The American think tanks (irrespective of what you read in the media), ALREADY know that under ANY situation, India is NOT to be trusted. There is NO WAY you guys will get into a fight that was originally started between the US and the Chinese. You'll chicken out.

The US Military always has and always will ensure the safety and the security of its people and its national interests. It never has and will never need "partners" to go into a direct conflict. As a part of the NATO and other agreements, we'll always honor it.

But to protect our interests, we go alone as needed and don't put others in charge of our interests. Always remember this post next time you write these grandiose posts like "the Americans don't think our security is complete until India joins the group", WTF. Our donated jobs and money is barking at us lol

This is what happens when the US lets in immigrants from little shithole countries, they live on welfare and overall dumb down the country while occasionally blowing them all over the place and existing in the lowest rung of the society. UK is effed, now its the turn of US with the low caliber of boat people on display here.

 

[kalanirnay]

Blah, Blah and more Blah after your rear's on fire.. But the last part seems like a continuation of the same propaganda. Could someone reading this who knows Sharia please answer this? I am going to call a few friends up tomorrow to confirm this. I doubt this is even close to being true. This is the stuff that happens in Hinduism, that's why there is a rape epidemic. But if no one responds, I'll respond tomorrow. Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything so I'll ask around and research before responding.

The real nation which has a rape epidemic is the US ..... its the global No. 1 in RAPE. In the US both MEN and Women get raped, so watch your back when you go out for a walk.

Good that your doing research on your favourite subject. Make sure you don't get married till you finish your research project.

@kalanirnay just so you know, you are talking to a Pakistani American, sitting pretty behind two American flags. Suddenly all the bias and hate will make sense to you.

I have encountered him before, so there is no confusion in my mind. :wink:

 

[Viper0011.]

The real nation which has a rape epidemic is the US ..... its the global No. 1 in RAPE. In the US both MEN and Women get raped, so watch your back when you go out for a walk.

Wait, before you care about the US.....will you control your own internal situation? We have good law and order here and the visitors still come. Unlike putting a ban on women traveling alone to India. You have work to do. Put these rapists from Shiv Sena and RSS to jail. The same associates are the ones who commit terrorism against Christian and Muslims in India and kill masses of innocent people. Let me know when you jail a few of your leaders. Oh wait, you'll make the highest criminal a Prime Minister. I forgot and 100,000 of your OWN people will ask the US gov't not to issue this guy a visa who was indirectly behind hundred of people getting killed in terrorism by his lieutenants !

 

[kalanirnay]

Wait, before you care about the US.....will you control your own internal situation? We have good law and order here and the visitors still come. Unlike putting a ban on women traveling alone to India. You have work to do. Put these rapists from Shiv Sena and RSS to jail. The same associates are the ones who commit terrorism against Christian and Muslims in India and kill masses of innocent people. Let me know when you jail a few of your leaders. Oh wait, you'll make the highest criminal a Prime Minister. I forgot and 100,000 of your OWN people will ask the US gov't not to issue this guy a visa who was indirectly behind hundred of people getting killed in terrorism by his lieutenants !

I don't care about the US ...... as i keep saying, these delusions of grandeur exist only in your head. I bring it up only because you are obsessed with India.

US is a Police state where 1 in 10 citizen has gone to prison one time or another. Where 1 in 2 citizen gets arrested once in their lifetime. LOL at your "law and order".

For all those "seculars" who tried real hard for Modi be not become PM and not let him go to the US, looks like HINDU might is road rolling over their wish. ....... Be available to welcome Modi in the US this VERY MONTH.

How many muslims did the US kill in Pakistan ? in Iraq ? in Afghanistan ? ............ its a long long list.

 

[SrNair]

When you finish up with your third class mentality of trying to get personal, we'll talk. Otherwise, you should know that everyone's was an immigrant at some point to the US. I am an African brother so of course my family migrated here too long time ago. No one's telling you that you are talking to Barack Obama's adviser. I don't think I'd be here dealing with your lower level mentality of getting personal if I was that high up. Plus, I am a Republican so imagine that!

RIGHT. You guys rejected the "Request to help". Allow me to tell you the reality. Despite your efforts, the Afghans weren't comfortable due to ticking off the Pakistanis. So you end up building about 50 or so "cultural centers" where you train suicide bombers and terrorist to go attack Pakistan and are supporting violent separatist movements in Baluchistan and all.

"Cultural Centers" in the middle of no where in a society that exists on mountains and terrain without proper infrastructure and educational system. BUT, more than education and taking care of their own country, they need "Indian Cultural Centers" every few miles like a franchise pizza shop!! Talk to me more and more stuff will come out. I haven't hit the Shiv Sena, RSS involvement and Tajiskstani basis yet ...........

It was not a third class mentality .It was the right mentality.
I dont try to make it personal.
But you should take care before make wrong statement about India we dont like when you equate our nation with Pakistan.We took different path of growth long decades ago .An American cant understand how it feels.
We are aiming for good healthy competition with developed countries of the world.
And you shouldnt make comments about our activities in Afghanistan.Once we ignored Afghanistan after USSR and we suffered a lot .We dont want that mistake again.
Our national interest is our priority .

 

[jbond197]

Why are you people even engaging with him? Leave that simpleton moron alone!! And for god sake, stop abusing America because of him!!

 

[Sam.]

Why are you people even engaging with him? Leave that simpleton moron alone!! And for god sake, stop abusing America because of him!!

Yeah he is pakistani amrican as i have plenty of american friends and they don't even know what's RSS is

They all see India as their ally ( while i find amusing )