Besides Kashmir, What else are the reason of animosity between India and Pakistan?

[Shajida Khan]

The fact is Ladkh is made of Muslims and Buddhists. The Muslim regions of Ladakh along with the valley should merge with Pakistan and the Buddhist regions should merge with China.

*Newsflash* Chinese government actively discourages religion. Most of Chinese 70-80% are not Buddhist.

 

[shootingstar]

Huh? India is the third largest Muslim population. Muslims are very very well represented in Indian politics all the way to the very top of the national hierarchy. BTW, within Pakistan on a per 100,000 basis, more Muslims are killing other Muslims than in India Hindu killing Muslims. From all I have seen, Muslims are having more problem living together than Muslims living with Hindus! Are Muslims at peace with each other? Nope! Iran is not at peace with Saudis or Arabs. Salafis from Saudi think rest of muslims are below them. They are amassing weapons trained at each other! Heck I am safer in Canada or USA way way more than I would have been in say Pakistan or Afghanistan. Speaks a lot about Muslims ability to live together peacefully in subcontinent! What ever problem Muslims face, having separate Muslim nation(s) surely has not proved to be a solution to it.

High percentage of Muslim population is limited to few states only. If India let go the Muslim areas of Kashmir Valley & Ladakh to merge with Pakistan and Bengali Muslim areas of West Bengal & Assam to merge with Bangladesh then population of Muslims in India would drastically reduce.

 

[Shajida Khan]

High percentage of Muslim population is limited to few states only. If India let go the Muslim areas of Kashmir Valley & Ladakh to merge with Pakistan and Bengali Muslim areas of West Bengal & Assam to merge with Bangladesh then population of Muslims in India would drastically reduce.

And? Why do you think that is a favourable option for India?

 

[shootingstar]

*Newsflash* Chinese government actively discourages religion. Most of Chinese 70-80% are not Buddhist.

I know Chinese are atheists/communists but it is up to China how they would handle. India should be Thankful and happy that Pakistan, Bangladesh and China are ready to accept these regions into their countries.

 

[Shajida Khan]

I know Chinese are atheists/communists but it is up to China how they would handle. India should be Thankful and happy that Pakistan, Bangladesh and China are ready to accept these regions into their countries.

You have still not answered why is it better for India and Ladakhi Buddhist that Buddhist join China?

 

[shootingstar]

And? Why do you think that is a favourable option for India?

Why should the progress of other states be pulled down by these dead weights?

J&K gets 10% of Central funds with only 1% of population

TCA Sharad Raghavan
JULY 24, 2016 23:36 IST
UPDATED: OCTOBER 18, 2016 15:06 IST
Jammu and Kashmir receives a disproportionate amount of Central assistance.

The state received Rs.1.14 lakh crore in grants over the sixteen years under review, according to the Union Finance Ministry’s data, which is more than a quarter of the Central funds disbursed to the 11 special category states in that period.

“In general, the special category states get a higher share of central grants, and Jammu and Kashmir being one of them will also get such treatment,” Tapas Sen, a professor at the National Institute of Public Finance and Policy (NIPFP), and a long-time researcher on state finances, told The Hindu. “But even among them, Jammu and Kashmir is getting a higher share due to its disturbed status and its border with Pakistan.”

Experts on the subject also say that this larger share could work as an incentive to ensure that the state remains with India.

CAG report

This seeming imbalance in Jammu and Kashmir’s finances — with Central grants accounting for 54 per cent of the state’s total revenue and 44 per cent of its expenditure in FY16 — assumes significance in light of the fact that the Comptroller and Auditor General of India in 2015 castigated the Jammu and Kashmir government for the pendency of a large number of inspection reports and observations highlighting “serious financial irregularities” in the state.

“There were persistent errors in budgeting, savings, excess expenditure and expenditure without provision,” the CAG report on the State’s finances for the year ended March 31, 2014, said. “Anticipated savings were either not surrendered or surrendered at the end of the year leaving no scope for utilising these funds for other development purposes.”

The report has entire sub-heads titled ‘errors in budgeting process’, and ‘unrealistic forecasting of resources’.

Apart from the political reasons, there are also some fiscal reasons for Jammu and Kashmir receiving a larger share of Central grants.

Fiscal reasons

“Service Tax is not levied in Jammu and Kashmir and hence the state does not get a share of the same in the devolution of central taxes to states,” Ranen Banerjee, Leader – Public Finance and Economics at PwC India said.

This has led to a ballooning of Jammu and Kashmir’s share in the total non-plan revenue deficit of all states, Mr. Banerjee said, which has, in turn, meant that the Centre has had to send it more money to finance this deficit.

Another reason lies in the Centre’s treatment of the north-eastern and hilly states.

“Plan Grants were stopped by the Twelfth Finance Commission except for the north-east states and hilly states including Jammu and Kashmir,” Mr. Banerjee said. “Thus, Jammu and Kashmir and other hilly states continue to get the Plan grants while others do not get it.”

However, this aspect does not explain Jammu and Kashmir’s larger share of grants even when compared to other hilly states.

According to the CAG report, 32,625 audit observations containing 8,518 inspection reports pertaining to the period 1998-2014 were outstanding as of March 31, 2014.

“Even though there might be legitimate reasons for Jammu and Kashmir receiving more Central grants, there is no call for such a large number of audit observations and questions lying unanswered with the state government,” another professor from NIPFP said. “Ignoring CAG’s warnings is a sure sign of trouble.”

You have still not answered why is it better for India and Ladakhi Buddhist that Buddhist join China?

Ladakhi Buddists are closer to Tibetan Buddhists. I do not have a problem if some Ladakhis want to migrate to India as part of this deal

 

[Shajida Khan]

Ladakhi Buddists are closer to Tibetan Buddhists. I do not have a problem if some Ladakhis want to migrate to India as part of this deal

BTW, Tibetian Buddhists are still undecided on wather they want their own country or they want to live in China. Dalai Lama lives in exile in India FYI.

Why should the progress of other states be pulled down by these dead weights?

J&K has become a dead weight because we didn't integrate it in rest of India.

Even at the height of terrorism in late 80s and 1990s, Punjab was much better integrated and was a major producer of Agricultural items.

If we allows Indian businesses to get foothold in Kashmir, open tourist resorts in Kashmir we would be seeing a very different picture. Kashmir is a resource/asset we have not yet started using it properly due to its 'special' status. We need to do away with Article 370 for that. Modi is on it, but it will take approval of Rajya Sabha.

 

[shootingstar]

BTW, Tibetian Buddhists are still undecided on wather they want their own country or they want to live in China. Dalai Lama lives in exile in India FYI.

Dalai Lama says Tibet is better off within China

By Justin Huggler in Delhi Monday 18 October 2004 23:00 BST0 comments


Tibet would be better off to remain within China rather than regain its independence, the Dalai Lama has told an interviewer. "Tibet is backward," the exiled spiritual leader said. "It's a big land, rich in natural resources, but we lack the technology or expertise [to exploit them]. So, if we remain in China, we might get a greater benefit, provided it respects our culture and environment and gives us some kind of guarantee."

The Dalai Lama's remarks were made to a journalist from Time magazine, just weeks after he sent a delegation of envoys to Tibet to discuss his possible return. Western diplomats believe there is a new opportunity for rapprochement under the new Chinese leader, Hu Jintao, with the Dalai Lama's Tibetan government-in-exile .

The Dalai Lama gave up his struggle for full independence for Tibet at the end of the 1980s, but his latest remarks are particularly conciliatory, and will be seen as evidence of progress in talks with Chinese authorities. "Some Tibetans accuse me of selling out their right to independence, but my approach is in our interest," the Dalai Lama said at his home in McLeod Ganj, in the Indian state of Himachal Pradesh.

After China occupied Tibet in 1951, the Dalai Lama became the leader of the Tibetan struggle for independence, fleeing in 1959 along with tens of thousands of his supporters after a failed uprising. He set up a government-in-exile in Dhar-amsala in India. For many years, Tibet was a celebrated cause in the West, and supporters flocked to Dharamsala from around the world.

But with China's growing power, Tibet has faded from the international conscience, and the Dalai Lama has moderated demands from independence to some form of autonomy that will safeguard Tibet's culture and allow Tibetans to follow their traditional Buddhist religion. "Many communist and authoritarian regimes have changed, including the Soviet Union, not by force but by their own people," the Dalai Lama told Time. "China [still has] the same system but much is changing. Freedom of information, religious freedom and freedom of the press are much better. On that level the situation in Tibet is hopeful."

But he was not entirely optimistic. "Despite some economic improvement and development, the threats to our cultural heritage, religious freedom and environment are serious. In the countryside, facilities in education and health are very, very poor."

On the prospect of improving relations with Beijing, he sought to play down expectations. "We're not expecting some major breakthrough; the Tibetan issue is very complicated, and China is over-suspicious. It will take time."

Among other concerns, the Tibetan government-in-exile is believed to be seeking assurances from China that the Dalai Lama would be allowed to live in the Potala Palace in Tibet, and not be kept a virtual prisoner in Beijing.

They also want the Dalai Lama to be given full control over the publication and editing of religious texts, and authority over the appointment of abbots for monasteries.

The Dalai Lama also wants undisputed authority to supervise the choice of new incarnations of living Buddhas. At the age of 69, his thoughts have clearly turned to his own successor. "The institution of the Dalai Lama, and whether it should continue, is up to the Tibetan people," he said. "If they feel it is not relevant, then it will cease. But if I die today, I think they will want another Dalai Lama.

"Will the Chinese accept this? [No,] the Chinese government most probably will appoint another Dalai Lama, like it did with the Panchen Lama. Then there will be two Dalai Lamas, one the Dalai Lama of the Tibetan heart, and one that is officially appointed."

 

[Shajida Khan]

Tibet would be better off to remain within China rather than regain its independence, the Dalai Lama has told an interviewer. "Tibet is backward," the exiled spiritual leader said. "It's a big land, rich in natural resources, but we lack the technology or expertise [to exploit them]. So, if we remain in China, we might get a greater benefit, provided it respects our culture and environment and gives us some kind of guarantee."

Conditional statement.
Doubt that is the case and doubt most tibetian or buddhist agree with it.

BTW that still does not answer, why should Laddhaki Buddhist live in a country where 80% are non Laddhaki non Biddhist? How is it better than living in a country with 70-80% Hindus?

 

[shootingstar]

J&K has become a dead weight because we didn't integrate it in rest of India.

Even at the height of terrorism in late 80s and 1990s, Punjab was much better integrated and was a major producer of Agricultural items.

If we allows Indian businesses to get foothold in Kashmir, open tourist resorts in Kashmir we would be seeing a very different picture. Kashmir is a resource/asset we have not yet started using it properly due to its 'special' status. We need to do away with Article 370 for that. Modi is on it, but it will take approval of Rajya Sabha.

Nope J&K became dead weight because they did not want to integrate with India and are just happy with the handouts that they get. It is time to let them go and have them merge with Pakistan.

Conditional statement.
Doubt that is the case and doubt most tibetian or buddhist agree with it.

That is not India's problem. Let them sort it out.

 

[Shajida Khan]

Nope J&K became dead weight because they did not want to integrate with India and are just happy with the handouts that they get. It is time to let them go and have them merge with Pakistan.

Well, these Kashmiri show up in droves when there is a recruitment for goverment jobs n J&K. We have simply not given them enough avenues to integrate with India. You open up Kashmir for Indian businesses to come and establish themselves and they will line up in numbers to join them. Money talks bullshit walks.

That is not India's problem. Let them sort it out.

So that means, it is not decided/clear that Ladhaki joining China is indeed in their favour.

Now moving on, how is laddakhi with Laddakh leaving India is in India's favour, Again?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If Kashmir was handed over to Pakistan it would bring about major changes in South Asia. It would epic moment like fall of Berlin Wall. I think that by giving Kashmir to Pakistan India might even see Pakistan dissolving over time and possibly even re-creation of a modern iteration of the British Raj.

Pakistan has simply failed to even develop a semblance of stand alone identity despite 70 years. Funny enough India would end up snuffing Pakistan to death by giving it too much love.

 

[Shajida Khan]

If Kashmir was handed over to Pakistan it would have major effect in South Asia. I think that by giving Kashmir to Pakistan India might even see Pakistan dissolving over time and possibly even re-creation of a modern iteration of the British Raj.

Pakistan has simply failed to even develop a semblance of stand alone identity despite 70 years. Funny enough India would end up snuffing Pakistan to death by giving it too much love.

My thought experiment here has the premise that Kashmiri with Kashmir Valley in India are given choice. They want to go Pakistan, they do it on their own. They want to live independently, they do it. I simply want to take India out of the equation so that India specific 'emotions' can be evaluated. Otherwise you will see the argument that India planning to use Kashmiris as a bargain chip.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Ladakh and Jammu remain with India and the valley goes with Pakistan. Everlasting peace after that.

Why should Ladakh go to India? Ladakh has a Muslim population that is almost half of Ladakh's.

Besides people tried the Chenab formula which is kind of similar to your post waz.

Except Valley and Ladakh go to Pakistan while Jammu goes to India I think.

Anything south of the Chenab River in Jammu and Kashmir goes to India, which is "South Jammu."

If Kashmir was handed over to Pakistan it would bring about major changes in South Asia. It would epic moment like fall of Berlin Wall. I think that by giving Kashmir to Pakistan India might even see Pakistan dissolving over time and possibly even re-creation of a modern iteration of the British Raj.

Pakistan has simply failed to even develop a semblance of stand alone identity despite 70 years. Funny enough India would end up snuffing Pakistan to death by giving it too much love.

Pakistan has an independent identity separate from India.

We are the children of the Indus River Valley Civilization.

 

[shootingstar]

Well, these Kashmiri show up in droves when there is a recruitment for goverment jobs n J&K. We have simply not given them enough avenues to integrate with India. You open up Kashmir for Indian businesses to come and establish themselves and they will line up in numbers to join them. Money talks bullshit walks.

Well, everyone is looking for jobs in the subcontinent. They would continue to join the Pakistani Army once they merge with Pakistan to fight the Afghanis.

But creating jobs in military is the worst way to grow the economy of a country.

I wish India could save and invest all this money in more productive areas of the economy.

I also hope Nepal would stake claims on UP & Bihar regions of India. This would surely catapult Indian economy like never before.

Of course money talks and BS walks.