Bengali Nationalism a Threat to Bangladesh's National Security

[dray]

Firstly, genetic tests did not indicate they were low caste converts. The few Bangladeshis had around 5% Northeast Euro and a bit of Med, bit of Caucasian, something low castes do not have. The samples were only 5 or at most 6 people from Bangladesh, so no way can you decipher an entire population from such a tiny sample. If there were more samples then we could have had individuals showing even higher Northeast Euro, Med, Caucasian. Muslims are mixed of all castes since we don't follow a caste structure. There were converts from various Hindu castes. Secondly, there would be some foreign 'Muslim' blood mixed in from Afghans. Afghans and Turks first started coming into Bangladesh in the 12th century, at which time the population of East Bengal would have been much much smaller than what it is today. They were all men, so would have had to have taken local wives. And this trend continued for several centuries. So to say some Muslims in Bangladesh don't have Afghan blood, is absolute fallacy. If Bangladeshis were all low caste converts then why don't we have an IQ of 75, a widely measured low caste IQ in india. Why is it 82, the same as India and Pakistan?

Bangladeshis are a mix of ANI, ASI, some Mongoloid admixture, and also bit of 'Muslim' (this latter component is mainly Afghan but also maybe a bit of Turk, and Arab, particularly Yemeni and Iraqi).

That 82 iq was a BS, don't go by any stupid article in the internet.

 

[Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury]

That 82 iq was a BS, don't go by any stupid article in the internet.

What do you mean not buy into these figures? There are several reputable sources giving similar levels. Intellectually - Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are on par. You must not also forget, Bangladesh is a new country, one that is only 43 years old, but economically its even younger. We did not start economic reforms until just few years ago. And we are outdoing West Bengal, as lot of shortcomings there are are being masked by the broader Indian economy.

 

[asad71]

1.After 1971 India/Indira had felt threatened by the rise of Bengalee nationalism under Mujib. It was feared Indian Bengalees were getting warmed up to his leadership. As such when CIA had decided to eliminate him, RAW willingly aided by withdrawing the security umbrella it had provided for Mujib.

2. Mujib had hoped to forge his brand of Bengalee nationalism without forsaking BD's Islamic heritage. He was an adherent of The Two Nation Theory and his politics never veered from this base-line.

3.What we are seeing developing under SHW/BAL is truly worrying. This brand of rabid Bengalee nationalism shall land us into a Hindu identity having forsaking our Islamic heritage/past. Hinduism does not allow conversion or reconversion.In due course, therefore, we shall be identified in the class of Nomo Shudra condemned to a life of servitude to Brahmins for generations.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Bengali Nationalism is what created Bangladesh in the first place!

@ My dear beloved Indian friend, there is no need. If you truly srutiny our muslim Bengali population then you would find that majority of our population came from Arab, Persia, Afganistan, Turkey, Yeman, Abbisinia, Ethopia, Central Asia etc.

No it didn't. Stop embarrassing yourself; your population has been living in that same region for God knows how many centuries and millennia. What's wrong with being Bengali?

Wow.. I thought Pakistanis are the only wannabe Arabs.Now Bangladeshis want to identify themselves as Arabs too!!

It's a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from, admittedly even quite a few in Pakistan. However, our idiots are no where near the levels BDeshis are currently bathing in!

In Pakistan, despite an obsession with fair skin, very few tribes and zaats actually claim foreign ancestry.

 

[livingdead]

We have two options. We keep the current Bengali and have a secular state or we have a more Islamic state and Arabicise our language more. Keep it Bengali but introduce more Arabic and Persian loan words. We should also change our genetics. We should artificially inseminate many Bangladeshi women with Arab sperm, to try and impregnate them with half Arab kids. We should close our borders all around the country so we don't get any further mixing with undesirables like those in the Northeast of India.

@Yzd Khalifa can you help these people with little bit of your genetic matter.

 

[Vinod2070]

1.After 1971 India/Indira had felt threatened by the rise of Bengalee nationalism under Mujib. It was feared Indian Bengalees were getting warmed up to his leadership. As such when CIA had decided to eliminate him, RAW willingly aided by withdrawing the security umbrella it had provided for Mujib.

2. Mujib had hoped to forge his brand of Bengalee nationalism without forsaking BD's Islamic heritage. He was an adherent of The Two Nation Theory and his politics never veered from this base-line.

3.What we are seeing developing under SHW/BAL is truly worrying. This brand of rabid Bengalee nationalism shall land us into a Hindu identity having forsaking our Islamic heritage/past. Hinduism does not allow conversion or reconversion.In due course, therefore, we shall be identified in the class of Nomo Shudra condemned to a life of servitude to Brahmins for generations.

No, shuddhikaran is a possibility.

Shuddhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Else, you can always go back to the desert. They will surely welcome you back with open arms.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

@ If you go more detail then you would find that around 55 % people are foreign origin. Around 15 % people are mixed and around 30 % people are convertee muslim majority being from Budhahs instead of Hindus.

Those are very embarrassing, and quite frankly, extremely desperate statistics. If anything, they'll bring more disrespect towards your countrymen and Bengali people in general.

This is an interesting site; a lot of people seem to be posting stuff from here to the forum recently. BDeshis should check it out:

Harappa Ancestry Project | Genetics and South Asia

I don't know how accurate they're statistics or research is, but it does seem quite credible.

 

[livingdead]

Arab or Persian - either will do.

I've had a few sleepless nights worrying about what will happen to Bangladesh in the future, after most of us have passed on, because of our location. I occasionally listen to sad Bengali songs and they fill me with tears.

my sympathies are with you.
Persians have the looks and the brain, why not take their help? start from your own family, marry a persian.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

BTW, I don't mean to sound racist; but Persians and Arabs are on average not that good looking people. Why not take a jump further and claim to be Swedish or Romanian?

 

[dray]

What do you mean not buy into these figures? There are several reputable sources giving similar levels. Intellectually - Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are on par. You must not also forget, Bangladesh is a new country, one that is only 43 years old, but economically its even younger. We did not start economic reforms until just few years ago. And we are outdoing West Bengal, as lot of shortcomings there are are being masked by the broader Indian economy.

Try to post the links of those several reputable sources. This has been discussed in details. @Urbanized Greyhound @INDIC he is talking about that 82 iq thing.

 

[Roybot]

BTW, I don't mean to sound racist; but Persians and Arabs are on average not that good looking people. Why not take a jump further and claim to be Swedish or Romanian?

One step at a time.

 

[Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury]

Those are very embarrassing, and quite frankly, extremely desperate statistics. If anything, they'll bring more disrespect towards your countrymen and Bengali people in general.

This is an interesting site; a lot of people seem to be posting stuff from here to the forum recently. BDeshis should check it out:

Harappa Ancestry Project | Genetics and South Asia

I don't know how accurate they're statistics or research is, but it does seem quite credible.

We don't know how accurate these DNA tests are. Secondly, this site is run by an individual who does it for hobby who may or may not have ulterior motives, so we can't be sure if he hasn't manipulated some of the stats. More importantly, the samples of Bangladeshis were just 5 or 6, this is no way a representative sample, for reasons that it is too few and we are also not sure of the the background of the samples.

BTW, I don't mean to sound racist; but Persians and Arabs are on average not that good looking people. Why not take a jump further and claim to be Swedish or Romanian?

Because we have to be realistic. We know for certain Afghans and Turks came into Bangladesh over several centuries, of that there is no doubt.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

We don't know how accurate these DNA tests are. Secondly, this site is run by an individual who does it for hobby who may or may not have ulterior motives, so we can't be sure if he hasn't manipulated some of the stats. More importantly, the samples of Bangladeshis were just 5 or 6, this is no way a representative sample, for reasons that it is too few and we are also not sure of the the background of the samples..

Can't say about the accuracy myself; but still more credible than that "55% foreign genes and 30% converts" and God knows what else has been claimed on this thread!

 

[Zahur Ahmed Chowdhury]

Try to post the links of those several reputable sources. This has been discussed in details. @Urbanized Greyhound @INDIC he is talking about that 82 iq thing.

So we are supposed to go with the views of some posters here as opposed to world renowned bodies such as the World Bank, and other organisations of similar repute? You Hindus will always try to downgrade Muslims.

Can't say about the accuracy myself; but still more credible than that "55% foreign genes and 30% converts" and God knows what else has been claimed on this thread!

Well, yes, that guy is out of his head.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

When nationalism is deemed a threat it means a people are ready to surrender their identity.