Sanghis also employ similar arguments against the literature and news reports published against them. That they are baised, and that something written by a gora doesn't make it credible.
I do not say that they are biased; that is what failing to read does to one's judgement. I said that there was an equal volume on the other side. Do you get the difference? I ask that seriously because even the most elementary matters seem to suffer a strange sea change when you view them.
You sound no different than the political elite of West Pakistan who told the people here that all is well in the Eastern Wing during the fateful days of 70-71.
Forgive me for pointing this out, and I do not want to hurt your feelings, but it is fascinating that you measure my possible bias by your established facts.
The advice that you are offering applies to yourself as well. More so because you have already assumed that your state is always right no matter what (state, not government which you are confusing it with).
There is no confusion. The state of India is the state of India; whatever you can point to has never been the action of that state; it has been the action of the government.
Let me explain it in simpler language.
The state of India is defined by its constitution and by the rule of law. Any actions that are beyond the constitution or are unlawful are clearly and by definition not the acts of the state, for the state cannot act to alter its own self; they are mistakes made by the government that is given the responsibility of upholding the constitution and maintaining the rule of law.
Just a glance at facts and figures should suffice. Or perhaps the Kashmiris are less humans than those who perished in Delhi or Gujrat.
Why do you have to make your point by raising Delhi and Gujarat? On which of these have I been silent? Do you have any idea at all? Probably not, since if you had an idea, you would not have selected such bad examples from your point of view.
What is happening and has happened in Kashmir is completely different from Delhi or from Gujarat.
It is sad that you should again lapse into insinuation and innuendo, and cannot make a point without a sneer.
The nature of Indian occupation of Kashmir and excesses committed by its forces is well documented and already debated to death.
Apparently the question of a debate does not raise in your mind the possibility of there being more than one point of view. Apparently the fact that wherever a crime was established, people have been held accountable and have suffered the consequences does not make an impression on you.
That Indian citizens have been in the forefront of holding the government to account is again apparently not germane to you; so in your system of jurisprudence on this issue, the stand of an Indian is worth only a fraction of the stand of any other. Somehow this inequitable weightage of witnesses seems to be defective, but that may be my defective perception, in thinking all men and women to be equal.
Not everyone besides congressi types is either a bakht or a mirror image of bakht.
If the reference to a congressi type is a shaft directed at me, it is sadly off target. I have never minced words about my distaste for the Congress, a distaste that was formed in 1968.
Further, it was only a narrow-minded and poisoned view that warranted the description
of being a mirror image of the narrow-minded and poisoned view of a bhakt.
Besides, given the popularity of bakhts in India, one can only make a guess about the extent of their infiltration in the Indian military.
I am sure that will not deter you.
We witness it on a daily basis on our side of LOC when civilian population is directly targeted to the extent that snipers have been shooting children, women and elderly people (again well documented), or perhaps you could craft some excuse for that as well.
It is surprising that on the one hand, I hear a constant harping on the excellence and ubiquity of the snipers that your military has, and the implied paucity of such talent among our soldiers, but then have to hear that these few and ineffective numbers have done such damage to your civilians.
Incidentally, in most of the border areas, Pakistani administered territory is accessible to artillery fire from India. There are very few points from where individual soldiers can find targets to shoot at.
This discussion will go nowhere, just like the previous several thousand discussions on this topic between Indians and Pakistanis on pdf; so, instead of talking in circles, i t would be prudent to stop in order to save time.
How can I comment on your decision? Did you ask me before attacking both my position and my person? Do you need my permission to withdraw from the unpleasantness that you have created? Please feel free to do whatever you wish. For my part, I will continue to respond with politeness and courtesy, and without personal reflections on you. To each his own and I shall continue to take the high road; water, they say, finds its own level.
Such websites only rots the already partially rotten brains . In simple words it makes the stupid more stupid.No healthy sane mind would fall for that crap. I read a lot of such stuff to get into the mind of RSS sanghis and for informational purposes only but yet sane enough not to believe in any of that crap.
You are to be felicitated for your untiring devotion to duty.
That's one of the official websites of RSS spreading some authentic RSS literature.
The point is it does not matter you say Jay shree ram or call yourself shakta ,you still fall under the RSS umbrella. I am not saying every shakta or Jay shree ram believer is a RSS extremist ,the point is you calling yourself a shakta doesn't prove that you are not a sanghi.
Indeed.
Conversely, neither does your calling me a Sanghi prove that I am not a Shakta. I leave the extension to not being a Sanghi merely due to your calling me a Sanghi as an exercise for your healthy sane mind to complete.
But you will always be in denial mode be it a Kashmir issue ,be it your inner moral consiousness and be it your shakta RSS ideology because you are blessed with this hypocricy and shamelessness.
First, there is nothing called Shakta RSS ideology.
Second, it is not for you to judge that those who oppose your point of view are hypocrites and shameless.
Third, it is difficult to understand how you see difference from your point of view as amounting to denial. It can be denial if facts are being denied; you have yet to establish, except in terms of your own conviction, and the inherent rightness of your views, the facts.
Fourth, you should consider the possibility that you yourself might be in denial mode. It is a possibility, after all; my question is, have you ever stopped to consider that possibility?
