Beautiful Post : Kashmir - SarthakGanguly's Logical Comment

[Levina]

Occupying someone's house & then asking them to leave when they demand their rights seems like the just thing - What impeccable logic !

And when someone speaks up on their behalf they must have their eyes set on their prime real estate - Innit ?

There you go...sobbing and whining.

Pakistanis have even said on numerous occasions that even if the Kashmiris choose to be free from both Pakistan & India - We've got no objection over it....

Proof??
Why should I believe you?

 

[HRK]

no sir it dosent works like that specialli after shimla agreement and pakistans new found status vice versa in todays world but you can choose to live in denial at your own peril

pls read Shimla agreement again ...

http://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IN%20PK_720702_Simla%20Agreement.pdf

Denial & Delusion are the attributes of a Nation at the other side of the border ....
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so be it!

But what is it that Pakistan wants in Kashmir now??
Kasmir has already been divided into two.Why cant Pakistan take its share of Kashmir and live peacefully and in return stop meddling with affairs of Indian side of Kashmir?? why cant be the line of control be turned into international border??

As stated earlier there is no Pakistani Kashmir or Indian Kashmir nor it is divided, its just under the administration of two interim setups till the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute & Pakistan is an "Equivalent Party in this Dispute" therefore Indian can not claim exclusive right for the matters pertaining to Indian Held Kashmir.

I believe that you must have read my earlier post.

 

[Areesh]

pls read Shimla agreement again ...

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http://peacemaker.un.org/sites/peacemaker.un.org/files/IN%20PK_720702_Simla%20Agreement.pdf

Denial & Delusion are the attributes of a Nation at the other side of the border ....
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As stated earlier there is no Pakistani Kashmir or Indian Kashmir nor it is not divided, its just under the administration of two interim setup; till the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute & Pakistan is an "Equivalent Party in this Dispute" therefore Indian can not claim exclusive right for the matters pertaining to Indian Held Kashmir.

I believe that you must have read my earlier post.

Now this is the kind of post that deserves a seperate thread and appreciation. Contains material and facts unlike rants. Good @HRK Indians often propel this lie about Simla agreement. Great way to debunk it.

Ooops! you gave up so easily this time??

it doesn't mean giving up. It means you are trying to bring something irrelevant to save your weak position. Not interested in it since debunked it a lot of times till today.

 

[VCheng]

As stated earlier there is no Pakistani Kashmir or Indian Kashmir nor it is not divided, its just under the administration of two interim setup; till the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute & Pakistan is an "Equivalent Party in this Dispute" therefore Indian can not claim exclusive right for the matters pertaining to Indian Held Kashmir.

Please also underline the first sentence in 1(ii) too, and tell us what do you think it means.

 

[Armstrong]

There you go...sobbing and whining.

Its alright Apa Jee, it happens, whenever you run out of arguments 'my sobbing & whining' is the logical end to these conversations !

Proof??
Why should I believe you?

You don't have to believe me just ask Pakistanis yourself; surely there are a handful of Pakistanis in the UAE !

I would never support an Independent Kashmir because I am a Kashmiri who is extremely proud of being a Pakistani but my Jingoism isn't shared by the vast majority Pakistanis; they'd be happy with an independent Kashmir or so they've said numerous times in the flesh, on the media & in their writings etc.

I even recall a few leading politicians saying this !

 

[HRK]

Please also underline the first sentence in 1(ii) too, and tell us what do you think it means.

pls enlighten us with your precious thoughts about that particular clause ....

 

[VCheng]

pls enlighten us with your precious thoughts about that particular clause ....

No Sir, please go first since I pointed out that particular sentence for your thoughts on it.

 

[HRK]

No Sir, please go first since I pointed out that particular sentence for your thoughts on it.

What so special in this sentence it is the same as clause 1(IV) already highlighted in that attachment ...

I am asking about your thoughts because it will a starting point to discus 'your POV'

 

[VCheng]

What so special in this sentence it is the same as clause 1(IV) already highlighted in that attachment ...

I am asking about your thoughts because it will a starting point to discus 'your POV'

1(iv) comes later. After the platitude offered in 1(i) comes the real price paid by Pakistan to get back its defeated Army in the first sentence of 1(ii).

 

[Levina]

it doesn't mean giving up. It means you are trying to bring something irrelevant to save your weak position. Not interested in it since debunked it a lot of times till today.

You brought in Baluchistan...go and re read your post. And I merely quoted Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan.

As stated earlier there is no Pakistani Kashmir or Indian Kashmir nor it is divided, its just under the administration of two interim setups till the final settlement of the Kashmir dispute & Pakistan is an "Equivalent Party in this Dispute" therefore Indian can not claim exclusive right for the matters pertaining to Indian Held Kashmir.

I believe that you must have read my earlier post.

Very smartly you've circumvented around my questions.Why could you not answer 'em?

Its alright Apa Jee, it happens, whenever you run out of arguments 'my sobbing & whining' is the logical end to these conversations !



You don't have to believe me just ask Pakistanis yourself; surely there are a handful of Pakistanis in the UAE !

I would never support an Independent Kashmir because I am a Kashmiri who is extremely proud of being a Pakistani but my Jingoism isn't shared by the vast majority Pakistanis; they'd be happy with an independent Kashmir or so they've said numerous times in the flesh, on the media & in their writings etc.

I even recall a few leading politicians saying this !

Go ahead and quote your politicians then..
Btw if Pakistan was really interested in making Kashmir an independent state then your army would not have been involved in so many covert operations in Kashmir.

 

[Areesh]

You brought in Baluchistan...go and re read your post. And I merely quoted Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan.

Bold part. No i didn't. Read again.

 

[Armstrong]

Go ahead and quote your politicians then..

Do you think I've got a scrap book with me where I write down the link of every video I watch or the page number of every book I read ?

I haven't the faintest clue where to 'go ahead & quote my politicians'; it must be somewhere on the Youtube etc. - Search if you wish to or better yet ask the Pakistanis living in the UAE !

Btw if Pakistan was really interested in making Kashmir an independent state then your army would not have been involved in so many covert operations in Kashmir.

That doesn't even make any sense; what does covert operation borne out of frustration at Indians dragging their feet endlessly over the Kashmir Issue hoping that time just wishes away the problem equals Pakistan not wanting an Independent Kashmir ?

And I never said that Pakistan wants an Independent Kashmir....I said thats what numerous Pakistanis think; the Government's position is the Right to Self-Determination !

 

[Levina]

Bold part. No i didn't. Read again.

This was your post

And stop asking referendum on Baluchistan

In our conversation you were the first to bring in Baluchistan ...not me.

Do you think I've got a scrap book with me where I write down the link of every video I watch or the page number of every book I read ?

I haven't the faintest clue where to 'go ahead & quote my politicians'; it must be somewhere on the Youtube etc. - Search if you wish to or better yet ask the Pakistanis living in the UAE !



That doesn't even make any sense; what does covert operation borne out of frustration at Indians dragging their feet endlessly over the Kashmir Issue hoping that time just wishes away the problem equals Pakistan not wanting an Independent Kashmir ?

And I never said that Pakistan wants an Independent Kashmir....I said thats what numerous Pakistanis think; the Government's position is the Right to Self-Determination !

I asked for proof and you could not provide any.Asking me to search for proof only makes your case weak.

 

[jbond197]

If Narendra Modi joins PDF tomorrow and he stands by the principles he use to follow in his speeches, it won't take seconds before he will be declared as a pseudo secular or leftist as per pdf and ultra nationalist version of secularism. No wonder he might become a TTA too as per @arp2041

Poor attempt of comparing self with Narendra Modi!! You know what each one of us so called Modi bhakts want secularism in real form with equal rights and same laws for all. Now tell me who among you so called seculars are game for it ? Funny it is that people have basterdized the word bringing it close enough to sound like the word "appeasement" and then they declare others communal who do not agree to their definition.

 

[scorpionx]

Poor attempt of comparing self with Narendra Modi!! You know what each one of us so called Modi bhakts want secularism in real form with equal rights and same laws for all. Now tell me who among you so called seculars are game for it ? Funny it is that people have basterdized the word bringing it close enough to sound like the word "appeasement" and then they declare others communal who do not agree to their definition.

You clearly have not gone through my posts or povs and have been selective and prejudiced. Unless you don't know me properly stop taking personal jibes at me as you did yesterday.