Barak-8 is India's answer to Pakistan's Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile

[Abingdonboy]

I'm hoping to see a Barak 8 vs Brahmos test in the near future

Surely one of the most anticipated live fire tests in recent times, both are incredibly hyped contempoary systems aimed explicitly at defeating the other in service in the same nation with heavy technical participation in both projects (and thus accsess to all relvent data) by the aformentioned nation - this just doesn't happen very often.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

1.Cost of oniks.Russian navy was cash strapped in case u didn't notice.Klub is a whole versatile family,which performs multiple tasks moreover.
2.Weight of oniks which hinders use in ships less than large frigate size.Russia has not inducted very many ships of such size after breakup of soviet union.The odler ships were fitted with soviet era missiles and deemed too costly to upgrade.
Russia does use Oniks as coastal defence anti ship batteries.

IN evaluated both missiles and replaced the klubs on its talwars with the more costlier brahmos.If brahmos was inferior it would make no sense to induct a heavier and far more costly missile over a cheaper one.

cool story but then you can say chit about cm400...

 

[Harisudan]

Yea, you could be running DRDO.....please do read the specified data on the respective weapon.

Yea Yea, for every Logical response, your reaction is a sarcastic troll.. you don't know the difference between a sea skimming missile trajectory and a Quasi ballistic Missile trajectory and that is proved by your previous comment..
As you fellow Pakistani mates claimed it as a Quasi ballistic missile that travels at mach 5.5+ speed, then definitely it will have a Ballistic trajectory and not sea skimming trajectory like a conventional anti ship cruise missile, Which makes it all the more easy a target for an interceptor missile such as Barak 8.. Barak 8 is an over kill for this.. Barak 1 is enough to do this job.. I would say Sea skimming missiles such as Harpoons are even deadlier than this piece because of its trajectory and manoeuvering ..
Also I read in janes Defence Journal, that the CEP of CM-400 is 500 M, and if this is true than good luck hitting a painted wall with it..

Ha ha....myth buster busted a myth

Dumbo, pls don't make yourself look like a joker here... The Russians were the first to field in, an anti ship missile with the advent of Styx..Ever since then they are the front runners.. they have got number of platforms with different specs for different roles..
your chinese c-400 is based on the phased out Kh - 39 platform..
Brahmos based is one such supersonic platforms PJ-10 and it was further developed and fine tuned to the needs of Indian requirements and versatility by Brahmos Aerospace..
Russians already have many such platforms to do the job.. So it is the matter of need Genius..

Is that why russia doesnt bother to induct joint dev barahmos aka p800...

As I said Genius, the Russians have more than 10 Variants for those roles and they don't need another one to Induct into their platforms which will again cost them a lot.. Now Brahmos is an enhanced and upgraded one, which is designed to suit the Indian Requirements.. That's it..
Going by your rule, your Junk fighter is not inducted by Chinese who manufactured it ..Does it means that the JF can't fly??

Don't talk like an imbecile for the love of God in an international forum.Brahmos has got the unique distinction of being the only cruise missile in the world which flies it's entire path in supersonic speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.Yup there are many theatre/tactical ballistic missiles in the world that have a speed in excess of 5 Mach but they are all ballistic missiles,that means they will always follow an exoatmospheric trajectory which can be easily countered by any anti-ballistic missile.Otoh,a sea skimming cruise missile that too flying towards the target at supersonic speed throughout it's path is extremely difficult to intercept due to the lack of reaction time!!

Dude, I've been trying to reason with them who were claiming their missile is a quasi Ballistic, Hypersonic, Hybrid missile which follows both ballistic and cruise trajectories and hits the target with extreme maneuvoring capabilities.. These were the claims kept by them.. So far I couldn't succeed.. you also don't waste your time man..

 

[Harisudan]

Was it barak 1 which completely failed to even detect an old silkworm missile fired from coast in 2006 by hizb ullah ...and it was sheer luck that silk worms warhead did not explode or israeli navy's flag ship would have exploded from within

@DavidSling , Dude what is this incident??Can you explain us More??

 

[zebra7]

its also used to detect targets strategic missiles also incorporate the beidu gps, also chinese cruise missiles also incorporate the tech too. look at the images below thats the range of the gps. why do you think it covers all of india's coast line and the bay of bengal? china could have decreased the range so it can fit in china in the space of a cube. but it chose to cover a large part of asia including a lot of its adversary.
also a basic gps idea can be brought into this, to sort of bring it to its simple terms. when you use a gps, the satellite knows where you are on-demend. now for military purposes it can simply know where you are and relay that to the a control station and the nearest offensive platform to engage it. and the range of gps is VERY accurate. have you used a gps to find where to need to go?

My Dear friend don't confused yourself from the Global Positional Satellite with the Survellance, monitoring and targeting Satellite. GPS provides the coordinates to the GPS reciever on the earth about its position. In simple word the Cruise Missile with the GPS reciever will get its own coordinates (whether Public or Military Grade) and not the Targets coordinates because it don't have that reciever which is connected to Chinese Belaidu.

I don't really think anyone would even be interested in my technical analysis hence I won't comment

I will appreciate if you give your technical knowledge light on those topics

1. Remote Sensing Satetllite and GPS satellite to detect Ship target ?

2. Air launch Cruise Missile promotional Range of 300 KM and the actual range when launch with the Sea Skimishing flight profile.

3. Nose Mounter fighter Radar range to detect the target to launch Harpoon or other ASHM against warship and stealth covertee like Shivalik

4. Barak 1/2 against Harpoon and Barak 8 against Harpoon-2 and CJ-xx (hypersonic)

Indians here think Ra' ad can not hit Ships while ISPR saying it can hit targets at Land and Sea, at sea there are no stationery targets for PAF when it comes to India vs Pakistan.

@amardeep mishra Could you explain

ISPR saying it can hit the targets at Land and Sea does not means it can target the Moving target but the stationary target. I had already explain you in detail, that for targeting the Moving target with this Sub sonic Cruise Missile you would need continuous Monitoring, updates of the Target thru High speed two way Link. And Land and Sea target Means the stationary target whose coordinates and flight path is embebedded in the Missile prior to the launch, and the Missile sensors matches with the Maps in its memory to remain in its course of flight aka terracom. In case of SEA target e.g Island or Naval RIG there is no land picture for matching, in this case the magnetic imaging of sea is used instead of visual terrain map.

 

[Mike_Brando]

@DavidSling , Dude what is this incident??Can you explain us More??

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[Harisudan]

I am not sure about that but Pakistan has counter anti-missile missile that will be a shock for enemy since that renders Barak-8 useless and just increase the price tag of our targets

I wish you do the same in reality...I mean head banging in the concrete wall and it may help you rationalise

Joker, read your first message and the second one, you'll come to know, who should bang their heads, whether it is me or you, you ignorant fool.. What do you mean by "Counter Anti Missile Missile" ?
U mean that, u have somekind of missile in your arsenal, that will destroy our Barak 8 which is going to be fired upon c-400.. I mean, isn't there a limit to your foolishness..? God help this forum filled with people like u..

 

[surya kiran]

baidu is a gps satelite. now how does a gps satalite track where you are.lets say your in mumbia and you want to go to dehli and your gps is giving you directions. how does it know where you are. easy the reciever or the thing thats giving your directions. now that is not going to work, as the adversary is not going to have a gps reciever for you to use to sink them! duh i guess. so how does the satalite actually locate where you are. now that comes from the gaofang-1. that finds the target and gives its location to baidu and thenis process and it threat level is assessed and it confirmed via c&c and via library image and then its tracked by image and its current loaction. word out is that there is a satelite thats can do both identyfy and track already up!!! so that removes any comunication compleatly and removes your concerns.

Let me answer this.

Q. How does a GPS satellite track where you are?
A. It does not. This is what I have been trying to tell you. GPS satellite cannot track anything. This is how GPS works. This is how the American GPS works. This is how GLOSNASS works. Unless, you have any technical diagram or data saying the Beidu system can track or locate an object. The GPS satellites only know 2 things. Their location and the time. This they broadcast. They are incapable of anything else.

Q. Mumbai to Delhi
The navigation does not come from the GPS. It comes from a GIS data base which has a multiple layers on a spatial data.

Q. Gaofang hands over to Baidu
No it cannot. The Baidu satellite cannot receive any input, except from master control which may provide input to correct variation in the time stamp. Either it hands over to a C&C which then uses a third system for finer targeting or tracking. Not Baidu.

Q. Can Gaofang do this identification and tracking
A. Yes. And I would assume, this is what it does.

Q. Sea based target
A. Agreed. If you have a image library as reference its easier. But, now you are talking of a moving target. I was using a land based target, because it can be stationary.

Now please understand this. NO GPS SATELLITE CAN IDENTIFY OR TRACK OBJECTS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. Unless you are saying the Chinese GPS does this. Because neither the American nor Russian satellites do this. If what you are saying is true, then could you please post a link for the same. The GPS tracking is done via either another tracking satellite or recon vehicle.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Don't talk like an imbecile for the love of God in an international forum.Brahmos has got the unique distinction of being the only cruise missile in the world which flies it's entire path in supersonic speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.Yup there are many theatre/tactical ballistic missiles in the world that have a speed in excess of 5 Mach but they are all ballistic missiles,that means they will always follow an exoatmospheric trajectory which can be easily countered by any anti-ballistic missile.Otoh,a sea skimming cruise missile that too flying towards the target at supersonic speed throughout it's path is extremely difficult to intercept due to the lack of reaction time!!

Brahmos the only missile direct licensed copy of Oniks go and check

 

[$@rJen]

Was it barak 1 which completely failed to even detect an old silkworm missile fired from coast in 2006 by hizb ullah ...and it was sheer luck that silk worms warhead did not explode or israeli navy's flag ship would have exploded from within

You need to know the actual story before commenting,,
1. the ships Anti-missile suite was switched off at that time
2.the missile did explode but the energy was not enough... guess what chinese made

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[HariPrasad]

not to forget the range of JF-17 will come sharply down when flying at very low level + the fact every indian navy battle group has its own dedicated force helli based AWACs which will be another challenge to tacle + the fact that since pakistani air bases are just 50-150 KM away all there activities are already moniterred and if they launch any such strike mission even before they are owt of pakistani land mass fighter from mainland india and carrier battle groups will be alerted and scrambelled to detect and angage them

Indian sukhois have 300 KM radar range for ships. By flying over Jamanagar, they can see the ships of PN at karach or other ports and fire a brahmos at the ships without anyway entering into the conflict of PA plane.

 

[war&peace]

Pls refrain from quoting me again.. Guys can someone tell me, how do I ignore him.?? This guy doesn't seem to discuss Technicalities but rather spouting hatred.. A little help here @gslv mk3 @Abingdonboy @Oscar @Horus ..How to ignore Someone in PDF..? This guys is inviting me to join his idiotic rants and I'm afraid i'll lose my cool and invite a ban on myself..

Idiot and pathological liar....you quoted me first...Did i invite you you quote me...You are not welcome here and especially on my comments and thread so STFU and STOP quoting me and never quote me again
This idiot first quoted me while I never talked with him and it was for @Tipu7
then he stared abusing me. Please take care of this troll
@waz

 

[HariPrasad]

Pakistan will field AWACS to track IN if you don't believe check out how it was deployed recently in Sea Spark 2015.

S 40 0 shall shoot it down.

 

[Airdef95]

Congratulations!!! But still you'll be needing some extra-terrestrial/ super-natural powers to gain victory over Pakistan. Pakistan is built to stay and will stay till the end of time I.A.
You can keep on wasting your money on that.

 

[HariPrasad]

CM400AKG Hypersonic Aircraft Carrier Killer.....speed Mach-4+

In pakistan, A speed of Mach 4 become hypersonic.