Bangladesh to observe one-minute blackout on March 25

[EasyNow]

Why are we discussing numbers here?

This is not a question of whether Pakistan had the odds to win it's whether Pakistan should have fought the war in the first place. Why did 34000 or 55000 Pak army decide they had the right to kill Bangladeshi people particularly when the Bangalis had a just claim to the leadership??

It was a complete and utter Pakistani failure strategically, diplomatically and militarily to engage Bangladeshis in war. If you wanted to beat us you should have sent 1m troops or defeated us through a legal dispute, but using a small force and targeting civilians was idiocy and arrogance.

Niazi boasted he would change our 'nasl' with these very troops that was the level of hubris which preceded the fall of Dhaka.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Pakistan should thank India as otherwise there would be 90,000 dead Pakistanis at the end of the war.

Hahah well when Indians intervened from Oct 71,they were quite sure that Bongs are going to be wastage of investment.
If India wouldn't have intervened there would have been an E.P still today,Major Dalim clearly wrote in his book many of top AL politicans were planning to move back.

 

[Doctor Strange]

With this part I agree . But

Can you please elaborate this part? Indian muslims are in low low status. Permanent settlement made Bengali Muslims actually much weak and poor to Hindus ( that time), so how can population superiority work where there is no religious tolerance?

Well Pakistan ( present day) is a completely different region with different culture, we only share religion and noting else.
And it was not under British India before Shikh Kingdom and other places were annexed by British Empire . So if even Bengalis wouldn't be involved in Pakistan movement aka separate Muslim countries, still they ( Pakistan) could manage their country, maybe it was not easy for them because Muslim League's majority in Bengal played the biggest role .
Still what would be the benefits of Indian muslims if Indian remain undivided ? Muslims would be still much lower in.number in Indian sub continent comparing Hindus? And we know the second class status of Muslims in India now and it was much worse in British berate because of permanent settlement!
It would be nice to hear from you about this. thank you .
@The Last Jedi

Pre partition Bengal Muslims were much stronger politically. They could turn anything in their favor. Socialist party led by Fazlul Haq could abolish Zamindari system and redistribute the lands to average people. These people together could also work to abolish caste system. If you could look for casteism related issues, west bengal comes lowest in that regard. So some progress happened there. And present Pakistan region wasnt that much interested to form a country of their own. Afghan region and Baloch was least interested. Punjabis were largely represented in the Army and inhabited by aristocrats, so similar Muslim inferiority complex wasnt present in them. And Sindh maybe was largest anti Muslim league bastion. Pathan and Punjabis with Arms could be guarantor of destitute Indian Muslims protection. Some 20 crore Muslims, 20 crore Dalits, some crores North easterners, Bengali Hindus could be fixed and Hindu supremacy doesnt exist that much in South India. If you add with them the partitioned area population, this really reduce the Hindu supremacists number. So the low low feeling really goes out of window. This discussion is only academic and no relevance to reality, hope you dont get it otherwise. Whatever happened has happened.

 

[UKBengali]

Hahah well when Indians intervened from Oct 71,they were quite sure that Bongs are going to be wastage of investment.
If India wouldn't have intervened there would have been an E.P still today,Major Dalim clearly wrote in his book many of top AL politicans were planning to move back.

If this, if that lol
Enjoy the butt-hurt of losing till the day you die.
BD is an independent country and is the fastest growing 100 million+ pop economy in the world.
It looks to the future with confidence.

 

[Sine Nomine]

If this, if that lol
Enjoy the butt-hurt of losing till the day you die.
BD is an independent country and is the fastest growing 100 million+ pop economy in the world.
It looks to the future with confidence.

I don't know anything other,that a small satellite state of India would be collateral damage in case of war between Pak-India-China.
I don't bother to compare my country with a de-fecto Province of India.We are players of world level and in coming years you would see it.And i am sure before my death may be bay of bengal would have eaten,de-fecto Province of India.

 

[UKBengali]

I don't know anything other,that a small satellite state of India would be collateral damage in case of war between Pak-India-China.
I don't bother to compare my country with a de-fecto Province of India.We are players of world level and in coming years you would see it.And i am sure before my death may be bay of bengal would have eaten,de-fecto Province of India.

Maybe you can learn about a country called Holland before making silly predictions about future of BD.

 

[Doctor Strange]

If you wanted to beat us you should have sent 1m troops or defeated us through a legal dispute, but using a small force and targeting civilians was idiocy and arrogance.

They would. But India already fixed that issue by restricting troop movement, even before the war broke out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Indian_Airlines_hijacking

 

[war&peace]

Why are we discussing numbers here?

This is not a question of whether Pakistan had the odds to win it's whether Pakistan should have fought the war in the first place. Why did 34000 or 55000 Pak army decide they had the right to kill Bangladeshi people particularly when the Bangalis had a just claim to the leadership??

It was a complete and utter Pakistani failure strategically, diplomatically and militarily to engage Bangladeshis in war. If you wanted to beat us you should have sent 1m troops or defeated us through a legal dispute, but using a small force and targeting civilians was idiocy and arrogance.

Niazi boasted he would change our 'nasl' with these very troops that was the level of hubris which preceded the fall of Dhaka.

Mate your issue is that you can't look beyond the false propaganda and distorted history being taught to you. I believe that Pakistan mishandled the situation and certain elements in our establishment denied Bengalis their rights and things could have been handled in a better way but that was time when free media was scarce and both wings were separated by more than a thousand miles of hostile enemy land. But saying that Pakistan army killed Bengalis and committed genocide is one of the biggest lies of the last century and has never been proven. If it was so why did your govt not ask UNO to investigate and initiate war crimes? Because you had zero evidence even back then and that is why numbers become important. At max there were 60K Pak army soldiers+officers now can you tell me how could they kill millions of Bengalis and rape millions of women..Can you do the math..I mean what kind of food Pak army soldiers were eating and what kind of super potency they had that 60k of them raped millions of Bengali women..and then where are those kids .....so you should have a fairly large %age of your current generations produced as a result of that act..so can you look around mate? Please use some common sense and neutral sources to read the history...not the fabricated cocktail taught to you guys in schools and society to prolong Indian slavery on you.

 

[El Sidd]

All pakistanis trying to convince bangladeshis on this thread are mukti bahani sympathisers

 

[Nilgiri]

I think you are watching too many movies while smoking the funny pipe....

There were areas in Bangladesh where the Indian paratroopers didn't even dare drop, lest they raise the ire of local freedom fighters (Bagha Siddiqui's Tangail stronghold for example) .....

Manekshaw was such a coward that he didn't even dare set foot in Bangladesh until things dried up considerably. He knew he'd get bogged down - literally.....1 to 50, yeah right.....

Muktis fought a war of attrition for 95% of the time and brought PA to its knees (PA were confined to a few cantonments only), then Indian incompetent army walks in to claim the full credit. Indians didn't hand us our independence, we earned it.

Go read some history please.....

Shupper duppper BD forces got to sign on the surrender document after all.

I know it still burns you....after all look at how you turned out.

Now turn around and bend over some more, while you cry about your "perspective" lol.

You enjoy watching hag-seena do it too whenever the smallest indian dignitary is in town rite?

 

[Centaur]

Some 20 crore Muslims, 20 crore Dalits, some crores North easterners, Bengali Hindus could be fixed and Hindu supremacy doesnt exist that much in South India

Well Yes that's a great point if we count dalits then probably Hindu supremacy atleast can be under threat. Dalits+ Pakistani Muslim and BD Muslim alongside Indian Muslim, surpass Hindus in number in undivided India.

This discussion is only academic and no relevance to reality, hope you dont get it otherwise. Whatever happened has happened.

Nah, that's fair enough brother. I believe that fruitful discussion can be very helpful to elevate our knowledge level. And honestly speaking you have shown me a strong point that is Dalit + Muslim alliance is not only surpass Hindus in number but also it could be a great threat to hindutva. As far I know Dalits worship some other deities that don't belong to Hindu pantheon. So yes probably those dalits -Muslim alliance should be a greater threat for hindutva.
Honestly speaking, your explanation provided me some elements to think in different way.
I always appreciate and welcome such fruitful discussions, as such fruitful discussion definitely elevate the level of our knowledge.
Now I am surprised that why this striking part ( about Dalit+ Muslim alliance) remained totally beyond my imagination !!

I sincerely thank you brother for this fruitful discussion.
Regards
@The Last Jedi

 

[Nilgiri]

Hahaha You are good at makeing things out of Air.

One time this quack spent a full 20 paragraphs or such trying to explain to me that Pakistan was on verge of surrendering to MB forces before India intervened. He went so far as to say that BD would have become independent even if India and Pakistan were very friendly (I proposed a hypothetical if there was no kashmir situation and partition was more amiable etc....thus India lending no support to MB forces or even supported Pakistan in that hypothetical).

Essentially this guy will believe BD nationalist doctrine no matter what he is confronted with. It is folly to try to logically debate with this person.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This is not a question of whether Pakistan had the odds to win it's whether Pakistan should have fought the war in the first place. Why did 34000 or 55000 Pak army decide they had the right to kill Bangladeshi people particularly when the Bangalis had a just claim to the leadership??

It was a complete and utter Pakistani failure strategically, diplomatically and militarily to engage Bangladeshis in war. If you wanted to beat us you should have sent 1m troops or defeated us through a legal dispute, but using a small force and targeting civilians was idiocy and arrogance.

Very well said. The underlying issue was the intoxication caused by the singular belief in Islam being a unifying force. Pakistani elite could not reverse out of this cul-de-sac that that fed the public and half fallen for it themselves. Sadly that primitive, self serving still persists. If they could have overlooked this almost Islamic fatwa then they could have looked at the situation in more logical manner.

The fact was 40 million Banglas estranged by 1,200 miles of geography had a right as much as Turks, Iranians, Syrians, Uzbeks to have their state if they so desired and pulling the 'Islam card' was not going to work.

In it's action 1971 destroyed and buried the two nation theory as much as 1947 had destroyed the one nation theory - 1971 established three nation theory.

 

[Kabira]

It needs major political and economic reform in order to grow GDP/capita at least 5-6% a year(it is currently at just over 3% with BD at 6%),

Sorry but GDP growth rate is over 5%, and from what I've seen how bengalis live GDP numbers are not everything. 20 millions of you work like donkeys in India and 3 million in Pakistan. have some shame bongo and get them out of Pakistan.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

20 millions of you work like donkeys in India and 3 million in Pakistan.

Mmmm what is that?