Bangladesh to China ordered 16 F-7BGI light fighter

[Emmie]

@Members, is the F-7PG capable of firing the SD-10?

Capable of firing SD-10, yes....... Does it fire, no.. SD-10 is not for F-7s..

 

[Zabaniyah]

Capable of firing SD-10, yes....... Does it fire, no.. SD-10 is not for F-7s..

I'd suppose it's impractical? What are the technical limitations of firing the SD-10 from an F-7 platform? Elaborate if possible

 

[Major Shaheb]

And uh, who are these imaginary Pakistanis who claimed that?

MZUBAIR: Location: Lahore. Flagged: Pakistan

Re: What about jf-17 for bangladesh airforce?

Yes JF17[All wather, Night Missions, BVR engagements, HUD, DECOY, FLIRS, HOTAS, GPS, KLJ7] inferior to Block 52 but equilvant capable to F16 Blk 40 [BVR, Long Range Radars, HUD, GPS, APG-68V, DECOY, FLIRS, optics heads-up display, electronic countermeasures, Bombing Moving Ground Targets].

F16BLK15 [Cannot perform in all weather, night missions and BVR] is inferrior to JF17

 

[Major Sam]

MZUBAIR: Location: Lahore. Flagged: Pakistan

Re: What about jf-17 for bangladesh airforce?

Yes JF17[All wather, Night Missions, BVR engagements, HUD, DECOY, FLIRS, HOTAS, GPS, KLJ7] inferior to Block 52 but equilvant capable to F16 Blk 40 [BVR, Long Range Radars, HUD, GPS, APG-68V, DECOY, FLIRS, optics heads-up display, electronic countermeasures, Bombing Moving Ground Targets].

F16BLK15 [Cannot perform in all weather, night missions and BVR] is inferrior to JF17

this is a JF-17 block 2 and what he said is right.. BTW where he wrote its better than Block52? can u read properly

 

[Zabaniyah]

Thank God! you did not compare JF-17block1 with F-16block62, coz some of your Pakistani brothers already claimed that JF-17block1 is superior to F-16block52.

MZUBAIR: Location: Lahore. Flagged: Pakistan

Re: What about jf-17 for bangladesh airforce?

Yes JF17[All wather, Night Missions, BVR engagements, HUD, DECOY, FLIRS, HOTAS, GPS, KLJ7] inferior to Block 52 but equilvant capable to F16 Blk 40 [BVR, Long Range Radars, HUD, GPS, APG-68V, DECOY, FLIRS, optics heads-up display, electronic countermeasures, Bombing Moving Ground Targets].

F16BLK15 [Cannot perform in all weather, night missions and BVR] is inferrior to JF17

*facepalm*


etrye

 

[Emmie]

I'd suppose it's impractical? What are the technical limitations of firing the SD-10 from an F-7 platform? Elaborate if possible

Being capable of firing SD-10 and being fully equipped with SD-10 are two different things... What all I said was "F-7 PG is capable of firing SD-10 but it does not fire"... Now that means it is not equipped with SD-10.

F-7PG is configured with Grifo MG (65 km search and 45 track)... SD-10 has range more than 70 Kms... In order to utilize this missile effectively your radar's range got be at least 100 kms, this would enable you to get a lock at handsome range. Now considering the current range of radar in F-7 PG, pilot won't be able to utilize the maximum range of SD-10 but still Pilot can fire it within the limitations of radar... PAF is not considering this option because PAF will be replacing its F-7 fleet with JF-17...


Excerpt from Jane's Air Launched Weapons 2003...

The SD-10 is not yet believed to be in PLAAF service, but is in an advanced stage of development and may have been released for operational test and evaluation with the air force. According to CATIC, the SD-10 can be carried by a range of aircraft including the J-7 (F-7), J-8 (F- and MiG-series fighters, or any Western aircraft that have been fitted with the missile's PF95 launcher and pylon. The obvious radar limitations of these aircraft make it clear that they will probably never be fitted with the SD-10, at least in Chinese service

JDW: China SD-10 Missile Technology (maybe better than U.S. AIM-120 missile )

 

[Patriot]

I'd suppose it's impractical? What are the technical limitations of firing the SD-10 from an F-7 platform? Elaborate if possible

PAF thought about equipping F-7 platform with BVR missiles however it was considered impratical because of the fact that F-7 nose is tiny and you cannot house decent radar in the nose so no guidance for Missile.BVR Missiles require initial target coordinates via fighter jet or awacs radar.

 

[Major Shaheb]

For those of you who have been BULLSH!TTING about FC-1/JF-17:

FC-1/JF-17

As modelled in: HutchDB 0.9 (1980-2015 Alternate)
GENERAL DATA:
Length (m): 14 Climb Rate (m/sec): 31
Wingspan (m): 9 Unloaded ATA: 3
Weight (kg): 6321 Loaded ATA: 1
Crew: 1
SENSORS & EW:
Model Max. Range Abilities Notes
Blue Sky FLIR 10 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information IR sensor
Blue Sky Laser 5 Surface Search, Range Information Laser designator & rangefinder
Blue Sky TRF 1 Altitude Information Radar
LETRI JL-10A Shen Ying 75 Surface Search, Air Search, Range Information, Bearing Information,
IFF Information Radar
SWCRIE KG-8602 RWR 50 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information Passive RWR/ESM/SIGINT
SWCRIE KG-8605 DECM 0 Surface Search, Air Search Active jammer

MOUNTS & STORES/WEAPONS:

Mounts (Guns/Launchers/Ejectors/etc.)
(Mount/ROF/Armor/Onboard Sensors/Capacity/Weapons per mount)
Aircraft Decoy Launcher/1/None/None/10/5x Generic Flare (max. 5) 5x Generic Chaff (I/J/K Bands) (max. 5)
23mm GSh-23L (MiG-21/23)/1/None/None/4/4x 23mm GSh Burst (max. 4)


Aircraft Stores
Store/Speed/Release Envelope/Altitude Release Envelope
480 liter Drop Tank No restrictions No restrictions
C.701 Yingji-7 0 - 800 kts 0 - 20000 metres
C.801 (YJ-6) CSS-N-4 Sardine 0 - 660 kts -20 - 20000 metres
C.802 (YJ-6) CSS-C-8 Saccade 0 - 660 kts 0 - 20000 metres
C.802K (YJ-6) Saccade 0 - 660 kts 200 - 20000 metres
C.803 CSS-C-8 Yingji-83 0 - 800 kts 0 - 20000 metres
LS-500J 500kg LGB 0 - 2000 kts 1000 - 11000 metres
PL-10 0 - 2000 kts 40 - 20000 metres
PL-9C Dikong 0 - 2000 kts 0 - 25000 metres
Type 130 130mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 200 Anti-Runway Bomb 0 - 660 kts 80 - 3500 metres
Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb No restrictions No restrictions
Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 40 - 20000 metres
Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 10 - 20000 metres
Type 57 57mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 90 90mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
YJ-5 Ying Ji ARM 0 - 2000 kts 160 - 540 metres


Aircraft Loadouts
Loadout Ready Time Stores
ATA #285 (PL-10) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x PL-10
ATA #286 (PL-10) 0min 4x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
ATA LR #118 (PL-10) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
IB #145 (Type 250 Bombs) 0min 12x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb 2x PL-9C Dikong
IB #146 (Type 500 Bombs) 0min 6x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb 2x PL-9C Dikong
IB LR #207 (Type 250 Bombs) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 6x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb
IB LR #208 (Type 500 Bombs) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 4x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb 2x PL-9C Dikong
OCA #36 (Type 200) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 8x Type 200 Anti-Runway Bomb
OCA LR #34 (Type 200) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x Type 200 Anti-Runway Bomb
PGM-B #56 (LS-500J LGB) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x LS-500J 500kg LGB
PGM-B LR #149 (LS-500J LGB) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x LS-500J 500kg LGB
PGM-M #73 (C.701) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x C.701 Yingji-7
PGM-M LR #155 (C.701) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x C.701 Yingji-7
SEAD-M #114 (YJ-5 ARM) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x YJ-5 Ying Ji ARM
SEAD-M LR #72 (YJ-5 ARM) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x YJ-5 Ying Ji ARM
SO #341 (C.801) 0min 2x C.801 (YJ-6) CSS-N-4 Sardine 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
SO #342 (C.802) 0min 2x C.802 (YJ-6) CSS-C-8 Saccade 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
SO #343 (C.802K) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x C.802K (YJ-6) Saccade 2x PL-10
SO #344 (C.803) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x C.803 CSS-C-8 Yingji-83 2x PL-10
SO LR #229 (C.801) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 1x C.801 (YJ-6) CSS-N-4 Sardine 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
SO LR #230 (C.802) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 1x C.802 (YJ-6) CSS-C-8 Saccade 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10
SO LR #231 (C.802K) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10 1x C.802K (YJ-6) Saccade
SO LR #232 (C.803) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x PL-10 1x C.803 CSS-C-8 Yingji-83
UG-C #39 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 8x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb
UG-C LR #81 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 4x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb 2x PL-9C Dikong
UG-R #06 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 56x Type 90 90mm Rocket
UG-R #07 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 32x Type 130 130mm Rocket
UG-R #145 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 2x PL-9C Dikong 88x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #100 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 44x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #101 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 28x Type 90 90mm Rocket 2x PL-9C Dikong
UG-R LR #102 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 2x 480 liter Drop Tank 16x Type 130 130mm Rocket 2x PL-9C Dikong

General Flags
Probe Refuelling
Terrain Avoidance
Computing Bombsight
Medium Runway
Fly-by-Wire
Medium Aircraft

 

[ziaulislam]

f-7s cant be used for bvr ..
even the most advanced f-7s, the f-7PG cant actively guide a sd-10 effectively due to radar limitations.
its not the range its azimuth or search range it can search in +/- 30 which isnt good enough for more practical uses..
so f-7 isnt an effective BVR aircraft.

thats why paying 12 million for f-7 isnt a good idea when u get jf-17 for 18-20 million.

 

[Major Shaheb]

J-7BG Fishbed

As modelled in: HutchDB 0.9 (1980-2015 Alternate)
GENERAL DATA:
Length (m): 13.9 Climb Rate (m/sec): 150
Wingspan (m): 7.2 Unloaded ATA: 4
Weight (kg): 5275 Loaded ATA: 2
Crew: 1
SENSORS & EW:
Model Max. Range Abilities Notes
Blue Sky FLIR 10 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information IR sensor
Blue Sky Laser 5 Surface Search, Range Information Laser designator & rangefinder
NRIET/CETC's KLJ-6F 65 Air Intercept, Range Information, Bearing Information, IFF Information Radar
SWCRIE KG-8602 RWR 50 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information Passive RWR/ESM/SIGINT
SWCRIE KG-8605 DECM 0 Surface Search, Air Search Active jammer

MOUNTS & STORES/WEAPONS:

Mounts (Guns/Launchers/Ejectors/etc.)
Mount ROF Armor Onboard Sensors Capacity Weapons (per mount)
Aircraft Decoy Launcher 1 None None 10 5x Generic Flare (max. 5)
5x Generic Chaff (I/J/K Bands) (max. 5)
23mm NR-23 (PRC) 1 None None 20 20x 23mm Burst (PRC) (max. 20)


Aircraft Stores
Store Speed Release Envelope Altitude Release Envelope
720 liter Drop Tank No restrictions No restrictions
PL-5B/E 0 - 2000 kts 10 - 15000 metres
PL-7 0 - 2000 kts 0 - 15000 metres
PL-9C Dikong 0 - 2000 kts 0 - 25000 metres
Type 130 130mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb No restrictions No restrictions
Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 40 - 20000 metres
Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 10 - 20000 metres
Type 57 57mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 90 90mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres


Aircraft Loadouts
Loadout Ready Time Stores
ATA #27 (PL-7) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-7
ATA #280 (PL-9C) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-9C Dikong
ATA #43 (PL-5B) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-5B
ATA LR #10 (PL-7) 0min 2x PL-7 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
ATA LR #117 (PL-9C) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-9C Dikong
ATA LR #13 (PL-5E) 0min 2x PL-5B 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
IB #52 (Type 500 500kg Bomb) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb
IB #79 (Type 250 250kg Bomb) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 8x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb
IB LR #32 (Type 500 Bombs) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb
IB LR #52 (Type 250 250kg Bomb) 0min 2x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
OCA #36 (Type 200) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x Type 200 Anti-Runway Bomb
OCA LR #34 (Type 200) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 4x Type 200 Anti-Runway Bomb
PGM-B #56 (LS-500J LGB) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x LS-500J 500kg LGB
PGM-B LR #149 (LS-500J LGB) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-9C Dikong 2x LS-500J 500kg LGB
UG-C #111 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 4x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb
UG-C LR #77 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb
UG-R #135 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 16x Type 130 130mm Rocket
UG-R #42 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 28x Type 90 90mm Rocket
UG-R #44 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 66x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #17 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 22x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #18 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 14x Type 90 90mm Rocket 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
UG-R LR #88 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 8x Type 130 130mm Rocket 3x 720 liter Drop Tank



General Flags
Computing Bombsight
Medium Runway
Medium Aircraft

 

[Major Shaheb]

Being capable of firing SD-10 and being fully equipped with SD-10 are two different things... What all I said was "F-7 PG is capable of firing SD-10 but it does not fire"... Now that means it is not equipped with SD-10.

F-7PG is configured with Grifo MG (65 km search and 45 track)... SD-10 has range more than 70 Kms... In order to utilize this missile effectively your radar's range got be at least 100 kms, this would enable you to get a lock at handsome range. Now considering the current range of radar in F-7 PG, pilot won't be able to utilize the maximum range of SD-10 but still Pilot can fire it within the limitations of radar... PAF is not considering this option because PAF will be replacing its F-7 fleet with JF-17...


Excerpt from Jane's Air Launched Weapons 2003...

Stop BULLSH!TTING

J-7PG Fishbed

GENERAL DATA:
Length (m): 13.9 Climb Rate (m/sec): 150
Wingspan (m): 7.2 Unloaded ATA: 4
Weight (kg): 5275 Loaded ATA: 2
Crew: 1
SENSORS & EW:
Model Max. Range Abilities Notes
FIAR Grifo-7 45 Air Intercept, Range Information, Bearing Information, IFF Information Radar
SWCRIE KG-8602 RWR 50 Surface Search, Air Search, Bearing Information Passive RWR/ESM/SIGINT
SWCRIE KG-8605 DECM 0 Surface Search, Air Search Active jammer
MOUNTS & STORES/WEAPONS:

Mounts (Guns/Launchers/Ejectors/etc.)
Mount ROF Armor Onboard Sensors Capacity Weapons (per mount)
Aircraft Decoy Launcher 1 None None 10 5x Generic Flare (max. 5)
5x Generic Chaff (I/J/K Bands) (max. 5)
23mm NR-23 (PRC) 1 None None 20 20x 23mm Burst (PRC) (max. 20)


Aircraft Stores
Store Speed Release Envelope Altitude Release Envelope
720 liter Drop Tank No restrictions No restrictions
PL-5B 0 - 2000 kts 10 - 15000 metres
PL-7 0 - 2000 kts 0 - 15000 metres
PL-9C Dikong 0 - 2000 kts 0 - 25000 metres
Type 130 130mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb No restrictions No restrictions
Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 40 - 20000 metres
Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb 0 - 2000 kts 10 - 20000 metres
Type 57 57mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres
Type 90 90mm Rocket 0 - 660 kts 10 - 600 metres


Aircraft Loadouts
Loadout Ready Time Stores
ATA #27 (PL-7) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-7
ATA #280 (PL-9) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-9C Dikong
ATA #43 (PL-5B) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-5B
ATA LR #10 (PL-7) 0min 2x PL-7 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
ATA LR #117 (PL-9) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 4x PL-9C Dikong
ATA LR #13 (PL-5B) 0min 2x PL-5B 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
IB #52 (Type 500 500kg Bomb) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 4x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb
IB #79 (Type 250 250kg Bomb) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 4x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb
IB LR #32 (Type 500 Bombs) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x Type 500-1/2 500kg GP Bomb
IB LR #52 (Type 250 250kg Bomb) 0min 2x Type 250-1/2 250kg GP Bomb 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
UG-C #111 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 4x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb
UG-C LR #77 (Type 250-3 CBU) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x Type 250-3 Cluster Bomb
UG-R #135 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 16x Type 130 130mm Rocket
UG-R #42 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 28x Type 90 90mm Rocket
UG-R #44 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 1x 720 liter Drop Tank 2x PL-7 66x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #17 (Type 57 Rockets) 0min 3x 720 liter Drop Tank 22x Type 57 57mm Rocket
UG-R LR #18 (Type 90 Rockets) 0min 14x Type 90 90mm Rocket 3x 720 liter Drop Tank
UG-R LR #88 (Type 130 Rockets) 0min 8x Type 130 130mm Rocket 3x 720 liter Drop Tank

General Flags
Ballistic Bombsight
Medium Runway
Medium Aircraft

 

[Zabaniyah]

^^^
Range for Grifo-7 is 55 km search, 38 km track

Grifo MG is 65 km search and 45 track

Technically, both the F-7PG and F-7BG can launch SD-10 but not very effectively. The small space for a bigger radar makes it somewhat limited. Why waste money on BVR missiles if the platform itself cannot utilize the missile's full potential?

It'd be more cost effective for BAF to go for BVR missiles (R-27, RVVs) on its MiGs (which it already has ).

Although, it's crucial that they'd be upgraded to SMT standards soon.

 

[Emmie]

@ Major...hahahahah.... Once a kid always a kid..

 

[eastwatch]

Somewhere I have read that China wanted to stop its F-7 series production once itc FC-1 trials go well. Now, China seems not to be overly optimistic about FC-1 production. At least, I have not heard any positive news from China regarding this.

Now, Major Shaheb says that the rate of climb for FC-1 is only 31m/second. Whereas, the same is 150m/sec for F-7BG. What a big difference, although some posters claim that the T/W ratio is over 1.0. If so, then why it climbs only 31m in one second? It can be one reason that the Chinese do not consider FC-1 to be a promising venture. Could there be other reasons, too, that China has not shown interest to sell this plane to other countries, including Bangladesh.

We must understand that China could have said so many excuses for no more assembling of F-7 planes, and it could have insisted BAF to purchase its FC-1 planes. But, it did not do so. Instead, China has agreed to F-7(BGI) production. It may mean also that China has full confidence on this plane, and is not confident about FC-1.

A renewd production of its F-7(BGI) shows that China is not satisfied with FC-1 performance. Can some one highlite the matter, am I correct or not?

---------- Post added at 03:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:24 PM ----------

@ Major...hahahahah.... Once a kid always a kid..

Please elaborate and enlighten us why Major remains a kid, and you are not. Talk about technical matters and do not troll.

 

[Zabaniyah]

^^^F-7s are still in limited production for export orders. For PLAAF?

---------- Post added at 10:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:27 PM ----------

Please elaborate and enlighten us why Major remains a kid, and you are not. Talk about technical matters and do not troll.

Copy pasting and quoting from Wikipedia is something only trolls like Major do.