Bangladesh targets 7.8% economic growth in new fiscal year

[bête noire]

A 5 star Hilton in Dacca and a 5 star Avari(earlier Hilton )

Avari! We have one 5 * hotel in Dhaka named Amari that I have been to two days ago. Well, haven't stayed in that hotel though as I have no need, I live in Dhaka. I did go to the bar inside the hotel with friends. Wonder Amari thought of their name from Avari!

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Wonder Amari thought of their name from Avari!

Avari chain of hotels in Pakistan, Dubai, and a few more places are operated by Byram Avari, a Parsi businessman into merchant shipping and also into hospitality industry. There are quite a few Parsis in Karachi who are into shipping and hospitality and other biz.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

How so ? Your cities are much dirtier than ours with really bad local governments that cant be bothered by cleaning up the cities. Do they have BRT's? Do they have better road infrastructure? Our Orange line train is almost complete. Do they have better universities? Even if you remove traffic and jams from your roads none of your cities come close.

Can you give any concrete proof that, Bangladeshi cities are more dirty than Pakistani one? How did you measured that?

 

[Khan_21]

Can you give any concrete proof that, Bangladeshi cities are more dirty than Pakistani one? How did you measured that?

Are you actually telling me Dhaka is cleaner than Lahore? Not only are they more dirty they have bad sanitation systems and pot holed roads which make it a nightmare for anybody that live there.

Don't cherry pick and stop shifting the goal posts...


It is like we saying Bangladesh doesn't have the Serena Chains of Hotels which Pakistan have...there are obvious reasons for it.

or like Pakistanis saying Avari Chain of international hotels which are present in Pakistan and which is not present in Bangladesh...so it suggests that they are not giving importance to B'desh...Childish, isn't it.


Holiday Inn is present in Lahore, Best Western is there...Serena intl's is opening shortly(bldg completed)

Avari Lahore was earlier Hilton Lahore, Pearl Continental Lahore(services group) bought up the Inter Continental Lahore...

Anything that has to do with demand and consumption Pakistan is ahead by miles. Our middle class is twice richer than yours. Thats why we consume more cement , produce more cars and almost everything in between.

https://priceonomics.com/which-countries-are-the-mostleast-overrun-by/

Bangladesh is the least visited country in the world oer capita. What demand are you talking about? We have more foreign based restaurents , luxury car brands , services and banks than you do.

 

[Species]

Juvenile...the main reason is global hospitality chain comes up with their own terms and conditions, using the franchise name and they take almost all the profit...this is the main reason, Local(Pakistanis) bigwigs won't let this happen and won't enter into an agreement with a big global name just to get the prestige and no value and no money and profit.




Similarly Pakistan have big conglomerates like Hashwanis(Marriott and Pearl Continental), Avaris, they are Parsis(Avari hotels), Mansha's(Nishat 5 star boutique hotels) they are new entrants. Aghan Khan(Serena hotels).

Stupid, do you even know how a franchisee functions?

Why does India have the Taj's, Oberoi, The Leela Palaces, the Lodhis as there are big business conglomerates to built, own and run them, In Bangladesh there aren't many it seems notwithstanding some RMG's Moguls and they are not interested in hospitality industry...for obvious reasons.

Every country has it's own share of hospitality firms. Despite the presence of local hotels, India has also got its share of international chain hotels.

If Bangladesh has no local international Chain of hotels than don't blame it on Pakistan as there are few takers. It actually shows the strength of local big biz groups in Pakistan.

This is Grand Sultan (a Bangladeshi 5 star hotel brand) in a small hill town of Srimongol, in northeastern Bangladesh.

If we start bombasting pictures of hotels of Bangladeshi brands this thread will turn into a giant picture gallery.

 

[Major Sam]

Same reason they consume much less today compared to same region. The difference in kanjoosi (genetic to large extent) + access to existing (inherited) British infra density + colonial deployed capital/capita (just to name a few)

The Pak=gabbar singh narrative is a butthurt one in essence.

@Major Sam read this thread when you have an opportunity

I was busy enough. Didnt Det enough time to read this thread..surely ill do it soon.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Stupid, do you even know how a franchisee functions?

Every country has it's own share of hospitality firms. Despite the presence of local hotels, India has also got its share of international chain hotels.

This is Grand Sultan (a Bangladeshi hotel brand) in a small hill town of Srimongol, in northeastern Bangladesh.

You are a simpleton and brain dead, reminds me of Mr.Nair now Karna_007 from India.

Pakistan has got local brands which are now turned into international brands. Services group which runs the Pearl Continental hotels have 9, five star properties in Pakistan.

Avari have 4-5 in Pakistan and presence in middle east.

Serena intl' have presence in Islamabad and opening in Lahore and about a dozen hotels in Nairobi and Kabul and many other countries. Also it has 7-8 4 star properties in northern areas of Pakistan.

What you have mentioned is a local group and not an intl' chain, that Grand Sultan thing, looks good though.


Also Pakistan has Marriott, Movenpick, Holiday Inn, Best Western, Ramada, Regent Plaza...and some more as intl' chains, Sheraton, Hyatt, Marriott(Lhr), Hilton(4 properties in Pakistan) are opening soon. How many 'one of the leading hotels' of the world in B'desh.

 

[bête noire]

I was busy enough. Didnt Det enough time to read this thread..surely ill do it soon.

A staff with 3 negative ratings!? Also zero positive ones so net negative 3! I am at a worry on what you are going to do after reading through this thread.

 

[H!TchHiker]

It's funny, how these Pakistanis so easily get convinced and influenced by these Indian dalit trolls and happily follow their lead. Makes you wonder whether their show-off as a proud nation and a counter to the Indian hegemony are actually genuine or not.

Question is why would these Pakistanis so easily get cajoled by that Indian dalit and eventually follow his lead? I bet no Bangladeshi here would ever blindly follow a lead of an Indian and rally behind him like these Pakistanis do.

1) No one follow until your people bring Pakistan into discussion reflecting your complex..Wonder no Pakistani bring Bangladesh in our internal economics and politics unlike..

2) Lol..Whole Bangladesh nation and your father of nation followed these same "Dalit Indian trolls"not we Pakistanis enough to counter there hegemony and fought 4 wars while you follow them and needed "Hindu India blood" to ensure "Bangladesh"..You are so weak that can't response on the border when they are daily killing your people.So leave this argument as to who is proud to counter India...They day i found any Paksitani like this on border i will accept what you said.Make one wonder BSF is open to kill and hang anyone on border while you are here pushing the narrative against Pakistan courage ..But then what can haseena do after all she owe her life to India


3) Its your hoard aka bangladeshi members who follow indians and curse Kashmiri Muslims calling them terrorist and wish destruction on them..

 

[TopCat]

I don't think anyone doubts PK is ahead in infrastructure nor is it surprising. We overtook PK in GDP per capita less than 1 year ago but PK was ahead of us for a long time. And most of that time PK was ahead, it had far better economy. So you had money to build the infra and build up wealth for long time culminating over time where a Pakistani have double wealth of what a Bangladeshi have. However, since we took over per capita and trends continue the way it is, which is highly likely, I believe BD will match Pakistani wealth in a decade and pass PK at incredible rate going forward.

However, what is not up for debate and paints a rather pathetic picture on Pakistan is other important indicators that shows how well the general populace of a country truly live. Pakistan has so much more wealth, better infrastructure and so on, on economic front for half a century and yet it sucks compared to BD on literacy rate, infant mortality rate, life expectancy, homicide, gender equality, fertility rate and literally every HDI parameters where Pakistan barely is in middle category. Why does Pakistan do so bad in this even though you have had more prosperity to counter these and easily do better than BD?

PK growth was totally based on infrastructure investment with loan or war money. Thats how their economy is going, import bills were paid and jobs were created. But at the end of the day they are on the verge of defaulting and taking more and more loan and building more and more roads with them. I dont know where it will end up with!! Argentina? Greece?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Serena Isb, a leading hotel of the world, has three wings including a business complex.

 

[Species]

Also Pakistan has Marriott, Movenpick, Holiday Inn, Best Western, Ramada, Regent Plaza...and some more as intl' chains, Sheraton, Hyatt, Marriott(Lhr), Hilton(4 properties in Pakistan) are opening soon. How many 'one of the leading hotels' of the world in B'desh.

Radisson Blu, Westin, Intercontinental, Sheraton, Marriott, Four Seasons, Best Western, Holiday Inn, Royal Tulip, Amari, Le Meridien, Pan Pacific - list is incomplete but these brands are operational ones in Bangladesh with some of them having multiple properties. While dozens are under construction.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

I don't think anyone doubts PK is ahead in infrastructure nor is it surprising. We overtook PK in GDP per capita less than 1 year ago but PK was ahead of us for a long time. And most of that time PK was ahead, it had far better economy. So you had money to build the infra and build up wealth for long time culminating over time where a Pakistani have double wealth of what a Bangladeshi have. However, since we took over per capita and trends continue the way it is, which is highly likely, I believe BD will match Pakistani wealth in a decade and pass PK at incredible rate going forward.

Pakistan's 4-6 lane road project is not that spectacular, Only 3 motorway totaling length of some 550 km were 4-6 lane before Nawaz Sharif came to power and CPEC money started to flow. Nothing to show off for a country which achieved per capita income of current Bangladesh level 12 years ago.Pakistan's majority of 4-6 lane project are still under construction or proposed. So far 1,010 km 4-6 lane completed and 3,690 km under construction. In Bangladesh, currently 367 km 4 lane national highway under usage. Another 465 km under construction and the rest of the 3,000 km is about to begin.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/tk-53-081-crore-6-3-billion-proposed-for-communications.562427/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorways_of_Pakistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expressways_of_Pakistan

I would say, Bangladesh is just 5 years behind Pakistan in Road infrastructure development. Pakistan got some nice motorway and expressway, no doubt. But at what cost? I find it astonishing that, Pakistan's annual development budget is just $6.9 billion dollar(800 billon PKR) this year. While Bangladesh despite lowest Tax-GDP country, spending $21.5 billion(1.81 trillion BDT) in development budget this year.Pakistan's 53.7% budget is going to just debt servicing and military, sparing little for development budget.
Defence, debt to eat up half of proposed Rs5.237 trillion budget for 2018-19
https://tribune.com.pk/story/1688346/2-year-2018-19-defence-debt-eat-half-proposed-outlay/


So what is the point bragging CPEC debt fueled 4-6 lane motorway when other type of development is not happening?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

PK growth was totally based on infrastructure investment

It is mostly based on retail sector, telecom(21 billion USD invested in last years), Agriculture and agro based industries, like milk, cattle farming. Textiles, Fertilizers, Cement industry, Oil and gas, IT(now worth 10 billion USD), and yes Infra as well, retail sector with big FMCG's are the real impetus.

I am forgetting banking, insurance, other financial institutions, stock exchange...many more, it is mostly private sector driven unlike in India where it is government driven, as Pak govt. hasn't git the money like India, Private sector runs the show here.

@Homo Sapiens this(above) answers your question as well, Govt. is poor here and private sector has got all the money, low tax collection, interest on debts, deficit financing, many more, hence if the budget is low comparatively the expenditure by the private sector is quite big in just about any industry including housing, education and health.


Budget doesn't gives the right picture here...private sector runs Pakistan, Govt. is just there to be conspicuous, good for nothing.


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...s-fastest-growing-retail-market.533589/page-2

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/the-growth-of-the-billion-dollar-club-in-pakistan.226058/

 

[Species]

Whole Bangladesh nation and your father of nation followed these same "Dalit Indian trolls"not we Pakistanis enough to counter there hegemony and fought 4 wars while you follow them and needed "Hindu India blood" to ensure "Bangladesh"

If we had really followed India, there would have been no Bangladesh rather a East Bengal province under India. It's us Bengalis, along with the UP people, who were the pioneers of Pakistan movement. Most of the people in present-day Pakistan were largely unionist.

Show me an incident earlier than the Bengal partition in 1906 where the idea that 'Muslims are a separate nation' developed. That's also when the Muslim League was formed.

You are so weak that can't response on the border when they are daily killing your people.So leave this argument as to who is proud to counter India

Yep, we are weak. But if you consider the history of Pakistan, as long as we 'weak people' were part of Pakistan, Pakistan never faced a defeat in any war but as soon as we 'weak people' left Pakistan, you have to face the most humiliating surrender in post-WWII era and allowed India to extend its hegemony in the region. Seems quite legit!