Bangladesh Navy's Anti-Submarine Warfare Capability At A Glance

[ghost250]

As per above article only Bangabandhu is serious threat to submarines due its ASW capabilities but you have right now only 1 such warship.... do you think it will be easy for BN to find out Kilo in huge bay of Bengal with just one such ship??? I hope you are not joking....

You are getting other ASW assets but now that will take time due to Corona.... till then Myanmar navy will not sit idle either.....

only 1 ship??!! lol..what r these then??

these r dedicated anti sub platfrm(durgom class) too..

BNS Bangabandhu has A 244 light weight torpedo which has range of just 13.5 km.

MN Kilo has Klab Anti Ship Missile and it has also got Type 53-65 torpedo with 18 to 22 km range.

Type 035 Ming class is just an improved Soviet Romeo class with outdated hull design whereas Kilo is a new design and fitted with tiles to absorb the sound waves of active sonar.

In the Chinese inventory, equivalent of Kilo class is Type 039 Yuan not Ming class.

The gap between BN and MN was somewhat wide in 2010. But everything has changed since then and the tide has already turn.

Modernization of BN is just platform centric. You acquired dozens of platforms but unfortunately 85% of hardwares turn out to be second hands.

Other than the platforms, there are no improvements in other areas from ship buildings to navy aviation.

In 2010, MN had only 2 corvettes, but now MN has 1 submarine, 1 LPD, 5 Frigates, 3 Corvettes and 20 FAC missiles.

MN frigates and corvettes carry S 100 camcopter with EOD payloads which enables the OHT capabilities.

A maritime strike squadron of JF 17 with C 802AK was already raised.

A pair of ATR 42 MPA is also patrolling the EEZ.

A number of land based costal defence anti ship missile batteries with Kh 35 and C 801 A were raised in Rakhine coast and CoCo islands.

MN ship building capacity is also increasing.

I don’t want to mention a number of upcoming acquisitions.

So by 2030, MN will even grow bigger.

On the other hand BN will have to retire both submarines and 75% of frigates by 2030.

If you don’t find any decent replacements in time, even the Sri Lanka Navy will overtake BN.

Current BN is not balanced and decent.

You can compare hull design of Kilo and Ming class.

Kilo
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Ming
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what about sum et-40s??it has a range of 38-40 km... mings with et-40s can hunt down ur granpa sub from 40 km away..

 

[Old School]

Facebook accounts got hacked including mine. We went low profile after that, defseca is made to be an alternative to this forum.

BD government is very aggressive online these days. Specifically, on Bengali language accounts.

 

[Michael Corleone]

BD government is very aggressive online these days. Specifically, on Bengali language accounts.

They got jackshit tbh. I reported the attempts to “you know who” and we both deleted everything before they could get access. Tbh if they arrested me to get info. I wouldn’t know any better because I don’t memorize my passwords

 

[Old School]

They got jackshit tbh. I reported the attempts to “you know who” and we both deleted everything before they could get access. Tbh if they arrested me to get info. I wouldn’t know any better because I don’t memorize my passwords

Do you understand now that being friendly to BDG was not worth it ? They will bite you if you move an inch away from their lines.

 

[I S I]

there are also two 63m ASW ships that are almost finished and these two MPA fitted by Isreal.
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Most probably listening to bollywood item number on headphones.

 

[Nike]

BNS Bangabandhu has A 244 light weight torpedo which has range of just 13.5 km.

MN Kilo has Klab Anti Ship Missile and it has also got Type 53-65 torpedo with 18 to 22 km range.

Type 035 Ming class is just an improved Soviet Romeo class with outdated hull design whereas Kilo is a new design and fitted with tiles to absorb the sound waves of active sonar.

In the Chinese inventory, equivalent of Kilo class is Type 039 Yuan not Ming class.

The gap between BN and MN was somewhat wide in 2010. But everything has changed since then and the tide has already turn.

Modernization of BN is just platform centric. You acquired dozens of platforms but unfortunately 85% of hardwares turn out to be second hands.

Other than the platforms, there are no improvements in other areas from ship buildings to navy aviation.

In 2010, MN had only 2 corvettes, but now MN has 1 submarine, 1 LPD, 5 Frigates, 3 Corvettes and 20 FAC missiles.

MN frigates and corvettes carry S 100 camcopter with EOD payloads which enables the OHT capabilities.

A maritime strike squadron of JF 17 with C 802AK was already raised.

A pair of ATR 42 MPA is also patrolling the EEZ.

A number of land based costal defence anti ship missile batteries with Kh 35 and C 801 A were raised in Rakhine coast and CoCo islands.

MN ship building capacity is also increasing.

I don’t want to mention a number of upcoming acquisitions.

So by 2030, MN will even grow bigger.

On the other hand BN will have to retire both submarines and 75% of frigates by 2030.

If you don’t find any decent replacements in time, even the Sri Lanka Navy will overtake BN.

Current BN is not balanced and decent.

You can compare hull design of Kilo and Ming class.

Kilo
View attachment 626630

Ming
View attachment 626631

Myanmar Navy modernization is more aimed toward their southern neighbour, to create a balance of power in that's part of region. Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia had recently begin to increasing their Naval and Air patrol in those areas and there is some clash in Maritime resources (especially fishing rights and escorting fisherman ships armada), and too Rohingya refugee boats problems is one the reason for increasing patrol and sure Myanmar not want to be lack behind those neighbours.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Do you understand now that being friendly to BDG was not worth it ? They will bite you if you move an inch away from their lines.

I don’t intend to imply it was the govt. I’ve not looked further into it. But if anything defseca/ bdmil cooperates with directorate generals. We’re on the same team. We don’t want external forces to reek havoc in our country

 

[Bilal9]

Myanmar Navy modernization is more aimed toward their southern neighbour, to create a balance of power in that's part of region. Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia had recently begin to increasing their Naval and Air patrol in those areas and there is some clash in Maritime resources (especially fishing rights and escorting fisherman ships armada), and too Rohingya refugee boats problems is one the reason for increasing patrol and sure Myanmar not want to be lack behind those neighbours.

They should concentrate on improving what feeds the army/navy/air-force first, which is their economy.

Their economy is one-fifth the size of ours, and of course way smaller than that of Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia.

If almost 50% of their GDP did not go into holding up their armed forces, they could've become a productive economy just like Thailand. But that will not happen if you have block-headed leaders who run their Tatmadaw. These folks have a hold on the corrupted purchase of arms and they will never let go.

 

[Old School]

I don’t intend to imply it was the govt. I’ve not looked further into it. But if anything defseca/ bdmil cooperates with directorate generals. We’re on the same team. We don’t want external forces to reek havoc in our country

Havoc in country or regime ? It is the BD directorate that attacked your site. If you say you were with DGFI on the same page, that raises a very big red flag. What's more , now DGFI wants to inject one of their guy as a moderator in to a site which they blocked in BD.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Havoc in country or regime ? It is the BD directorate that attacked your site. If you say you were with DGFI on the same page, that raises a very big red flag. What's more , now DGFI wants to inject one of their guy as a moderator in to a site which they blocked in BD.

Lmao I don’t know how you come out with such outlandish claim. You didn’t even know we got hacked before I told you

 

[Old School]

Lmao I don’t know how you come out with such outlandish claim. You didn’t even know we got hacked before I told you

I know that you are based in Sydney. I respect your privacy and I won't say anything more about your private details.
About the moderation role , please read this thread :
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/calling-all-pdf-bangladesh-members-mod-situation.662588/

 

[Michael Corleone]

I know that you are based in Sydney. I respect your privacy and I won't say anything more about your private details.
About the moderation role , please read this thread :
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/calling-all-pdf-bangladesh-members-mod-situation.662588/

Lmao awfully wrong.
Older members here know who I’m

 

[MINN]

BD is not relying on just these two helicopters to take care of Myanmar 1980s kilo sub.

The figate BNS Bangabandhu has a full ASW suite with Torpedos, it has other ships like the two Durjoy class fitted as ASW type and also the two modernised Type-035G that are better than the Kilo you sold Myanmar.

BN is more than capable of sending that lone Myanmar sub to the bottom of the Bay of Bengal if required.

I am very puzzled as to why you think the type-035 is better than the Kilo. Beside the Mings were also built in the 80s not only that the Chinese were nowhere near good at building submarines as the Russian. The design alone is enough to see that. The Mings has a WW2 era design. I am not saying this because I'm Burmese it simply can not be compared to a Kilo even if the kilo is a Project 877. The kilo is simply just better. If the Ming is so good then why did the Chinese buy the kilo to replace the Mings?

They should concentrate on improving what feeds the army/navy/air-force first, which is their economy.

Their economy is one-fifth the size of ours, and of course way smaller than that of Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia.

If almost 50% of their GDP did not go into holding up their armed forces, they could've become a productive economy just like Thailand. But that will not happen if you have block-headed leaders who run their Tatmadaw. These folks have a hold on the corrupted purchase of arms and they will never let go.

About 3% of the GDP go to the military.
https://tradingeconomics.com/myanmar/military-expenditure-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

 

[vishwambhar]

Myanmar Navy modernization is more aimed toward their southern neighbour, to create a balance of power in that's part of region. Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia had recently begin to increasing their Naval and Air patrol in those areas and there is some clash in Maritime resources (especially fishing rights and escorting fisherman ships armada), and too Rohingya refugee boats problems is one the reason for increasing patrol and sure Myanmar not want to be lack behind those neighbours.

That says it all.... all 3 powers Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia are way more powerful militarily when compared to Bangladesh... . Now Burma is focusing to be a match with these powers will keep Burma always more powerful than BD by default....

I am very puzzled as to why you think the type-035 is better than the Kilo. Beside the Mings were also built in the 80s not only that the Chinese were nowhere near good at building submarines as the Russian. The design alone is enough to see that. The Mings has a WW2 era design. I am not saying this because I'm Burmese it simply can not be compared to a Kilo even if the kilo is a Project 877. The kilo is simply just better. If the Ming is so good then why did the Chinese buy the kilo to replace the Mings?

About 3% of the GDP go to the military.
https://tradingeconomics.com/myanmar/military-expenditure-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

All Indian Kilos were upgraded to EKM 877 long back.... these Kilos are to be used against Pakistan Agosta 90Bs which are one of the most advanced submarines in Asia.....

KILOS surely are no joke.... there's a reason why even NATO which is the most advanced ASW force on the planet has given it a codename BLACKHOLE

 

[Beast]

BNS Bangabandhu has A 244 light weight torpedo which has range of just 13.5 km.

MN Kilo has Klab Anti Ship Missile and it has also got Type 53-65 torpedo with 18 to 22 km range.

Type 035 Ming class is just an improved Soviet Romeo class with outdated hull design whereas Kilo is a new design and fitted with tiles to absorb the sound waves of active sonar.

In the Chinese inventory, equivalent of Kilo class is Type 039 Yuan not Ming class.

The gap between BN and MN was somewhat wide in 2010. But everything has changed since then and the tide has already turn.

Modernization of BN is just platform centric. You acquired dozens of platforms but unfortunately 85% of hardwares turn out to be second hands.

Other than the platforms, there are no improvements in other areas from ship buildings to navy aviation.

In 2010, MN had only 2 corvettes, but now MN has 1 submarine, 1 LPD, 5 Frigates, 3 Corvettes and 20 FAC missiles.

MN frigates and corvettes carry S 100 camcopter with EOD payloads which enables the OHT capabilities.

A maritime strike squadron of JF 17 with C 802AK was already raised.

A pair of ATR 42 MPA is also patrolling the EEZ.

A number of land based costal defence anti ship missile batteries with Kh 35 and C 801 A were raised in Rakhine coast and CoCo islands.

MN ship building capacity is also increasing.

I don’t want to mention a number of upcoming acquisitions.

So by 2030, MN will even grow bigger.

On the other hand BN will have to retire both submarines and 75% of frigates by 2030.

If you don’t find any decent replacements in time, even the Sri Lanka Navy will overtake BN.

Current BN is not balanced and decent.

You can compare hull design of Kilo and Ming class.

Kilo
View attachment 626630

Ming
View attachment 626631

https://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=cns-type-035-ming-attack-submarine-china

The one received by BD are build in the late 90s and early 2000. The one sold to BD are further modernised on BD need and they do fit noise reduction tiles same like those use on Kilo sub. They are capable of during anti-ship missile like CK802 with Max range up to 180km.

The one handed to BD is rumour to fitted with AIP system. Earlier a Type035G is modified into a test sub fitted with AIP for future AIP system testing.