Bangladesh Navy

[Flynn Swagmire]

never imagined this day come eight years back. cheers!

এখন অনেক কিছুই হবে, যা কেউ আনে নি ভাবে...

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

We don't need a strategic presence... but a regional influence

Indian Ocean is a big region, brother.... its strategic.... he he
and don't forget South America.... we do get all our sugar, copper and soybean from there, right?....

 

[Michael Corleone]

Indian Ocean is a big region, brother.... its strategic.... he he
and don't forget South America.... we do get all our sugar, copper and soybean from there, right?....

Yeah but bd has more important things to have first than aircraft carriers provided we are looking for a global presence (which we aren't)
And to have a presence at Indian Ocean we don't need aircraft carriers... we aren't looking to wage war... that aircraft carrier money can instead get us so many subs that we would have reached our goal of area denial in the first place.

 

[TopCat]

Yeah but bd has more important things to have first than aircraft carriers provided we are looking for a global presence (which we aren't)
And to have a presence at Indian Ocean we don't need aircraft carriers... we aren't looking to wage war... that aircraft carrier money can instead get us so many subs that we would have reached our goal of area denial in the first place.

Before aircraft carrier we need to learn how to make a aircraft. We are not deluded like our other neighbor.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Yeah but bd has more important things to have first than aircraft carriers provided we are looking for a global presence (which we aren't)
And to have a presence at Indian Ocean we don't need aircraft carriers... we aren't looking to wage war... that aircraft carrier money can instead get us so many subs that we would have reached our goal of area denial in the first place.

The aircraft carrier is really costly to sustain .
But who knows. You know a lot of medium nations have or used to have carrier，like Thailand and Argentina which are both smaller than BD in terms of population.
Since BD's economy is developed fastest in south Asian nations now, the financial situation would be very well in the future.
As soon as the economy grows continuously, sustaining a conventional carrier is not a big deal for BD.

Before aircraft carrier we need to learn how to make a aircraft. We are not deluded like our other neighbor.

Believe me. Making a practical aircraft is more difficult than sustaining a carrier technically.
There're more than 10 nations owning carriers but only a few could make aircrafts.

Indian Ocean is a big region, brother.... its strategic.... he he
and don't forget South America.... we do get all our sugar, copper and soybean from there, right?....

It is the trend that more and more nations would have carriers .
Because of the globalization , the maritime route is very important to those nations which have huge trade with others.

 

[monitor]

Bangladesh Navy may procure this giant after 2025.
Type 052C destroyer (Luyang II class)
View attachment 392248

Destroyer
Displacement: 7,000 tons
Length: 155.5 m (510 ft 2 in)
Beam: 17.2 m (56 ft 5 in)
Draught: 6.1 m (20 ft 0 in)
Propulsion:

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  • Combined diesel or gas
  • 2 DN80 / 2 UGT25000 gas turbines each generating 24 MW / 28 MW and
  • 2 MTU Friedrichshafen 12V 1163TB83 diesels each generating 5 MW

Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h; 37 mph)
Complement: 280
Sensors and
processing systems:

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  • H/LJG-346 multifunction active phased array radar
  • Anti stealth H/LJQ-517B radar with Yagi antenna
  • H/LJQ-364 low altitude and surface search radar
  • H/LJQ-366 other-thee-horizon surface search & targeting radar
  • H/LJP-349 fire control radar for close-in weapon systems
  • H/LJP-344A phased array fire control radar for main gun
  • H/SJD-9 active/passive sonar
  • dipping sonar

Armament:

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  • 48 HHQ-9 long-range surface-to-air missiles
  • 8 C-805 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles or
  • 8 HN-2 land attack cruise missiles[1] or
  • 8 YJ-62 anti-ship / land attack cruise missiles
  • 1 × Type 210 100 mm dual purpose gun
  • 2 × 30mm Type 730 close-in weapons systems
  • 6 torpedo tubes
  • 4 × 18-tube decoy rocket launcher

Aircraft carried: 1 helicopter: Kamov Ka-27 or Harbin Z-9C ASW/SAR
Aviation facilities:

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  • Stern hangar
  • Helicopter landing platform

After 2025 this beast will be too old to get. We are developing so it's not 2025 but by 2020 we may order type 52D .

This is the estimated number of new ships that will be built & inducted -

25 Padma Class
8 Durhoy Class LPC
8 Shadhinota Class Corvette
8 4000 ton Class Frigates
Total 49 ships.

These are just the surface combatants fleet, we are also building & inducting many fleet replenishment ships,survey vessels, auxiliary & support ships; Submarines & aircrafts.

By 2030 when these modernisation drive settles down, BN will be a very capable force with a completely brand new, stream lined & modern fleet.
As BN aims for an 150 strong fleet, next 10-15 year is very crucial.

What's your source or rational for this wild estimates.

052D is the latest one, so China may not provide us.

No reason to not provide us.

After completed the 2030 forces goal, BD will far ahead then the bully.

After 2025 destroyer is coming.

After 2030 BD will must think about the aircraft carrier.

Inshaalla.

 

[Stuttgart001]

No reason to not provide us.

IMO, as soon as the 055 enter service massively, the 052D is free for sale.

 

[Stuttgart001]

If Bangladesh goes for a carrier it will most like be an LHD which come in the range of 15000 - 25000 tonnes and are much more manageable.

It depends on the economy of BD in future.
Anyway BD is a nation with a big population and relative long coastline.
It has to protect its interests on sea.
LHD is a warship for amphibious combat ,and i am afraid BD do not need this.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

Yeah but bd has more important things to have first than aircraft carriers provided we are looking for a global presence (which we aren't)
And to have a presence at Indian Ocean we don't need aircraft carriers... we aren't looking to wage war... that aircraft carrier money can instead get us so many subs that we would have reached our goal of area denial in the first place.

did I talk about a carrier in my post?.... no?

see, Bangladesh is a global player.... its a reality.... take it, or leave it...
if you had been following the IORA summit in Jakarta, IPU conference in Dhaka, recognition of Kosovo, chairmanship of OPCW..... you were supposed to know that....

you'll soon learn of Bangladesh's stuff in Latin America as well.... already things are moving in Africa, Eastern Europe and Central Asia.... more to come.... these are not strategic, but geopolitical plays.... have some faith with this state....

Both Thailand and Argentina possessed light carriers with the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo having 19900 tonnes displacement and the HTMS Chakri naruebet being 11486 tonnes diplacement.
Unfortunately no one builds fleet carriers this small anymore with the smallest under construction being the almost complete 40000 tone INS Vikrant.

If Bangladesh goes for a carrier it will most like be an LHD which come in the range of 15000 - 25000 tonnes and are much more manageable and also suits their current doctrine.

They can go for the VSTOL 26000 tonne Juan Carlos Class but they will have to sell their soul to the US for F35s if they want to operate fixed wing aircraft from it.

I hope you know Bangladesh's aims.... right?

The aircraft carrier is really costly to sustain .

aircraft carrier is a dying breed.... its for those who fight 10,000 miles away from home and doesn't get access to a land base.... because nobody likes them.... is not gonna be same for us....

we'll develop new categories.... new purpose requires new categories.... old purpose is gone; so is old categories...

 

[Stuttgart001]

They can go for the VSTOL 26000 tonne Juan Carlos Class but they will have to sell their soul to the US for F35s if they want to operate fixed wing aircraft from it.

The VSTOL fighters are more costly and hard to maintain with a weaker capability , compared to fix wing aircrafts.
It is not a reasonable decision to have it .

 

[Stuttgart001]

I was only mentioning them because they are the only aircraft which can be currently operated from a carrier like the Juan Carlos.

Actually, some naval fighter like Mig-29Ks could take off the ski-jump deck with a taxiing of rough 100 meters with semi-oiled and semi-armed state.
As soon as the deck of the ship is longer than 200 meters , it could deploy MIG-29Ks even Su-33 inefficiently but theoretically.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

Of course bro nothing less than World Domination.
(just joking)

that means.... you don't know.... right?

Actually, some naval fighter like Mig-29Ks could take off the ski-jump deck with a taxiing of rough 100 meters with semi-oiled and semi-armed state.
As soon as the deck of the ship is longer than 200 meters , it could deploy MIG-29Ks even Su-33 inefficiently but theoretically.

did you quote me?

 

[Stuttgart001]

that means.... you don't know.... right?


did you quote me?

Sorry，ihave made a mistake

 

[Species]

you'll soon learn of Bangladesh's stuff in Latin America as well.... already things are moving in Africa, Eastern Europe and Central Asia.... more to come.... these are not strategic, but geopolitical plays.... have some faith with this state....

We have got good presence in the western coast of Africa but I believe we should also increase our presence in the eastern coast.

 

[Stuttgart001]

We have got good presence in the western coast of Africa but I believe we should also increase our presence in the eastern coast.

For that objective,carrier matters