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Bangladesh:Gunfight at BDR headquarters

6.Why on this forum,initially people were supporting BDR mutiners?What was their expectation?

You are wrong.People initially supported the BDR mutiny because the media portrayed them as heroes.People supported the cause not their action.So,point to be noted is why media portrayed the mutineers as heroes?Was it lack of professionalism or some outside force?
 
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Stemming the Rise of Islamic Extremism in Bangladesh
by Sajeeb Wazed, Carl Ciovacco : Harvard International Review

The said article describes Sajeeb's great headache: Islamic extremism is also on the rise in Bangladesh because of the growing numbers of Islamists in the military................. the astronomical growth of Islamists in the military is troubling to say the least.

This article amply indicates that many of ours thinking process---in realizing the motive behind BDR mutiny---is correct.

Sajeeb---introduces himself as follows :an adviser to Sheikh Hasina, the former Prime Minister of Bangladesh and President of the Awami League, the largest and oldest political party in Bangladesh. He has been a key negotiator for the Awami League on several occasions, most recently in the negotiations for the restoration of democracy in Bangladesh with the present military government .

In opening statement of the article, he expects that BAL:"......it could roll back the growing tide of Islamism in Bangladesh. The Awami League must, however, implement certain changes to proactively check this Islamism....."

The Grandpapa Sk. Mujibur Rahman used to boast occasionally that his forefathers arrived in Bengal from Baghdad to preach Islam---which the Grand Brat Sajeeb is now trying hard to extinguish.

With such advisor at home, Bangladesh now will have to think very very hard about their well-being, fate of their Armed Forces, and also of their religion---under Hasina. This is Cautionary Signal No. 10

No wonder mother Hasina has played all cards accordingly, and has been given the crest : Daughter of Peace by Nanok & Ajam--right after BDR carnage.
 
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We should ask Joy from where did he get all the stats?

He also says in his full article that no. of Burka clad women increased?Now what's that??:crazy:

I know many to take up hijab for their own protection and its simply their own choice.So it can be considered as democracy isn't it?

At the same time also have seen few women to wear Burka to be involved in criminal and unsocial activities.What's his answer to that?

And as far as I know there are questions regarding his business abroad,correct me if I am wrong.

Even his grandfather started using the words "Khuda Hafez" later from his traditional "Joy Bangla".Now was he a Islamist as well?:crazy:
 
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And why do you htink he is not angry.....Because he is not towing ur line....
tx

Glad to see you again. Could I suggest to beautify your already beautiful name further by affixing a 'B' after 2 ?

By the way, do you know why MBI Munshi thinks he is not angry ? As I understand---it is not for towing his line at all. The main-stream thought process--in this regard---would progress within any informed, unbiased & conscientious Bangladeshi as follows:

1. My fellow Army offices have been massacred by rebels
2. All perpetrators---master-minds, executioners, supporters, etc. must be identified and nabbed soonest, and brought to stern punishment
3. I must not hamper the process---even by unwanted comments during interrogation
4. I must not taint the reputation of the Army, BDR by circulating un-proven pre-matured comment that these forces have been infiltrated by JMB---thus facilitating closure of their door for UN Peace Keeping appointments.

On the contrary:

• This man-in-question failed miserably---showing poor judgment and no-ethics---as if he is not at all moved by the death of fellow officers. A shame of filthiest dimension.
• He might have caused some unrecoverable loss to Army personnel’s opportunity with UN
• JMB---being too feeble---is the most unlikely Group in this particular case. In addition those so-called JMB-leaning BDR jawans can not posses the required talents of planning, secrecy, co-ordination, intimate knowledge, motivating & influencing capabilities, leadership, etc. to manage a mutiny of this size & ruthlessness
• He clearly appears to have some unjust & selfish agenda
 
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• JMB---being too feeble---is the most unlikely Group in this particular case. In addition those so-called JMB-leaning BDR jawans can not posses the required talents of planning, secrecy, co-ordination, intimate knowledge, motivating & influencing capabilities, leadership, etc. to manage a mutiny of this size & ruthlessness

I can understand ur post except to this point. Why you want to discount this angle even bf4 investigation finishes. If they are innocent, so will be proved.
You can not deny that they are benifited from this incident.

tx
 
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I can understand ur post except to this point. Why you want to discount this angle even bf4 investigation finishes. If they are innocent, so will be proved.
You can not deny that they are benifited from this incident.
tx

No one should be cleared till probe is done satisfactorily---JMB/JI or else. Both JMB/JI are beneficiaries. But analyisng comparatively, JMB among other militants is least possible in my eyes. I am bothered yet why the Commerce Minister still pre-maturedly mentioned this JMB. Anyway, since yesteday he is just saying 'Militants'. Though he should not, but at least 'Militants' makes some sense.
 
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I would blame intolerance. Not relegious but political.

Historically this part of sub-con suffered from lack of appropriate leadership. Since inception of Bangladesh we mostly got 'leaders'--not a single statesman. But again, Gen Zia was almost going to be qualified as one, but was killed.
 
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Killer of Gen Shakil, 2 others identified
Investigators so far find 650 involved in BDR carnage
Shariful Islam

At least three of the detained BDR men were among the mutineers who gunned down their DG Maj Gen Shakil Ahmed and some other senior army officers at the Pilkhana Headquarters.


The three have been identified by suspected mutineers now being grilled at the Taskforce for Interrogation (TFI) Cell. The BDR men claimed a group of six to seven who first opened fire at the Darbar Hall were riflemen, not outsiders.

"None has so far revealed the names of the initial shooters during interrogation, though it seems they know them," said a top law enforcer tasked with investigation into the carnage.

He however hopes they will get important breakthrough once the shooters are identified and quizzed.

"We've identified the killer of BDR DG Maj Gen Shakil Ahmed and at least two others who gunned down other senior officers," said the investigator speaking anonymously.

He however did not reveal the names of the three now in custody.

They have earlier arrested the BDR jawan who killed the wife of Maj General Shakil, he added.

The investigator also said they have so far detected around 650 riflemen who had involvement in the mutiny.

Those mutineers have been detected through examination of video footage, interrogation of arrested jawans and from the statements of the survived officers and family members.

The investigator also said over 150 out of the 650 BDR members were directly involved in serious offences like killing, looting arms, ammunition and explosives from armouries, distributing those to other soldiers, and guarding entrances to the BDR HQ.

He said a good number of the suspected mutineers and serious offenders have already been arrested, while the rest are still on the run.

The BDR authorities say they have yet to figure out how many BDR members are still at large.

Director General Brig Gen Mainul Islam told The Daily Star: "We could not collect information about all the BDR members from all the sectors, battalions and companies. Therefore we have yet to ascertain how many BDR members are still at large."

12 ARRESTED
The Rapid Action Battalion (Rab) yesterday arrested 12 fugitive BDR personnel in different parts of the country and turned them in to Lalbagh police.

Rab officials said primary interrogation suggests their involvement in killing, repression and looting.

The arrestees are subedar Shafiz Uddin, nayek subedars Helal Uddin and Shahjahan Ali, havildar Billal Hossain Khan, nayek Matiur Rahman Khan, lance nayek Shahidul Islam, sepoys Abdul Matin, Abdullah Al Mamun, Shahiduzzaman, Altaf Hossain, carpenter Narayan Kumar Das and electrician Zakir Hossain.

3 ON FRESH REMAND, 9 SENT TO JAIL
A Dhaka court yesterday placed three mutiny suspects on a five-day fresh remand and sent nine others to Dhaka Central Jail, reports our Court Correspondent.

The Criminal Investigation Department (CID), which is investigating the case, produced 12 suspected mutineers before the court on completion of their five-day remand and prayed for further remand for subedar Gofran Malik, lance nayek Gausul Alam and sepoy Abdul Latif.

The CID prayed for seven-day remand for each of them, but the court granted five days for each.

The court also ordered to send havildar Rezaul Karim, lance nayek Yusuf Ali, sepoys Jayanta Kumar Sardar, Jamir Ali, Sohrab Hossain, Ismail Hossain, Shariful Islam, Rafiqul Islam and Masudur Rahman to jail, as the investigation officer (IO) did not seek further remand to quiz them.

The Daily Star - Details News
 
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I would blame intolerance. Not relegious but political.

You are right again.We don't have religious riots.But its the politics and politicians who drowns us.I especially hate student politics.Sometimes I wonder whether they join Universities to study or just for politics?
While Private Uni students pass out in 4 years,these Govt. Uni students take at least 7 to 8 years to complete honors.Reason?Session zams for political activities,strikes and the list goes on.
We lose many talented students like this.:tsk:
 
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Well all i can see is a deeply divided nation.
hehe dude you have no idea where our divisions are.You would laugh man simply laugh.

I think I voted for Hasina because she had a Bachelor's while the other(K madam) didn't and food prices were rising and I thought the Girl on Fire could calm those down.Maybe Sajib should go to the US army,The Marine corps or the Air Force first and see how many religious personnel are there because he is a true American citizen.
Islam in BD aren't only found in madrassahs.Moron.
 
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Differences or line of division in Bangladesh is largely cosmetic one and fundamentally instigated and nurtured by India and Indian funded socio–political group, namely Awami League, Indian funded/sponsored media and “personalities”. Their main instrument of creating this cosmetic division was religion. Since independence, Indian design and wishes did not go exactly the way it wanted. Even Sheikh Mujib did not give into Indian pressure and joined Organization of Islamic conference and established diplomatic relation with Pakistan.

Indian design was to paint aspiration of Bangladeshi nationalism as fundamentalism while portrayed and propped Awami League against aspiration of majority of Bangladeshis. Unfortunately, Awami leadership sponsored by India and supported by India funded intellectual group and media, sided with India. Only on alter of power and greed.

Just because Islam is one of the common characteristic of Bangladesh as a nation and Bangladeshi nationalism, by NO means it translates to embracing Pakistani nationhood. Bangladeshi nationalism is unique within our own national boundary and has nothing to do with any other country. But Indians and their Bangladeshi surrogates Awami League had been creating artificial division among people by propagating that Bangladeshi nationalism and influence of Islam in our way of life making Bangladesh a fundamentalist country hence need to adapt secularism. Not only that since Bangladesh armed forces stand in the way of Indo-Awami design of divides and conquer they started labeling our armed forces a fundamentalist force.
See ex RAW officials B. Raman article and article from Sajeeb Wazed Joy PM Hasina’s son. They have alarmingly identical statement.

And Indians who are discovering the division should know it’s by their (GOI) own instigation.
 
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