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Bangladesh and Sri Lanka should leave SAARC and join ASEAN

Simple thing, India will not let us join ASEAN. India will always have a better relation with myanmar, we only share a tiny border with Myanmar around 4 KM i believe and India share a lot more. We already gave the Indians a transit and a free trade with India has already Then comes our ethnicity, we look more Dravidian than Burmese small eyes (eugenics not implied).


we already have strong ties with india and it will get better and a proposed free trade agreement is already on the table. Considering our government can bring down the interest rate down to India's interest rates. I can't see up how we wont be even closer to India. If out interest rates are with parity with India and a free trade is established, our industries will add a 1 billion to the demographics.

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Simple thing, India will not let us join ASEAN. India will always have a better relation with myanmar, we only share a tiny border with Myanmar around 4 KM i believe and India share a lot more. We already gave the Indians a transit and a free trade with India has already Then comes our ethnicity, we look more Dravidian than Burmese small eyes (eugenics not implied).


we already have strong ties with india and it will get better and a proposed free trade agreement is already on the table. Considering our government can bring down the interest rate down to India's interest rates. I can't see up how we wont be even closer to India. If out interest rates are with parity with India and a free trade is established, our industries will add a 1 billion to the demographics.

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India cannot dictate a country the size of Bangladesh. It can control Rawamy League, but how long do you think they will be in power, following pro-India and anti-Bangladesh policies. People will reject it sooner or later.

India has a relationship with Myanmar, yes, but Myanmar is a part of ASEAN and it will do what is in the best interest of ASEAN, not what is in the best interest of India.

Bangladesh and Myanmar has 190 miles of common border, I have actually been to the border on the way to Tek-naf along Naf river:
Burma commences fence construction on Bangladesh border

Any two countries can have as many transit or free trade or any other bilateral agreements between them, I have nothing against such agreements, if people of Bangladesh agree to them, so that is not a problem. They are not permanent and can be revoked when it does not suit Bangladeshi interest any more.

The main issue with SAARC is that it has no future. It will not end up as a closer union, specially a future political union, because majority Hindu India do not want more Muslims in any future union. They have irrational fear of Muslims.

On the other hand, the biggest country in ASEAN is Muslim majority Indonesia and this does not bother most of the other members who are either Buddhist, Christian or have no religion.

So other than Nepal or Bhutan, who are landlocked and need India for their survival, I would recommend all other countries to get out of SAARC and go their own ways. Pakistan and Afghanistan should go for Central Asian Union as I recommended in the world order thread:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/164048-kalu_miahs-new-world-order-road-map-future.html

How is interest rate relevant to this discussion, I am not sure.
 
People don't know jack, it doesn't matter what the people want. Its all about feasibility for the elites and elites are the ones that run the country, not the people. Awami League is an Indian dalal amd Bnp is also an Indian dalal but they are subtle about it. Talk to any politican in Bangladesh be it bal or bnp, they will tell you; you need a good backing from india in order to get into power in BD. I have nothing against with strong trade and commerce with India but with keeping our sovereignty in check and as long as our interest rates are on par with India, right now we have a higher interest rate......joining the asean countries is a pipe dream of every Bangladesh, its not even on the agenda of any politician to join asean.....they have a much high per capita gdp than india, the parity won't match up, where else it will be easier for us to integrate with India.



I will explain the interest rate bit, the reason we can't match Indian pricing is because their bank interest rate is lower than our's. I believe their interest rate is 8-9%; where ours is 11-13%. That is why if we have a free trade agreement with India; their goods will flood our economy and our businesses wont be able to match their pricing. If the bank interest rate is on par, we can match their prices. Geopolitics is all about feasibility and money. Countries are basically like big companies.
 
Bangladesh getting to ASEAN is long over due. In fact Bangladesh had taken some steps under "looking east" initiative during last BNP govt but could not follow through due to multiple constraints. Bangladesh has natural reasons and case to be part of ASEAN. Interest rate or GDP are not even secondary consideration for ASEAN. Bangladesh has prospect of high growth, presents a huge market, have manpower, phyically connected to ASEAN region, have similar foreign policy view and friendly terems with all ASEAN countries are reson enough for Bangladesh to be considered. Bangladesh became member of ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) during last BNP govt. Now that dispute with Myanmar is over Bangladesh can be careful about indian design and push forward on eastward direction and ASEAN membership.
 
People don't know jack, it doesn't matter what the people want. Its all about feasibility for the elites and elites are the ones that run the country, not the people. Awami League is an Indian dalal amd Bnp is also an Indian dalal but they are subtle about it. Talk to any politican in Bangladesh be it bal or bnp, they will tell you; you need a good backing from india in order to get into power in BD. I have nothing against with strong trade and commerce with India but with keeping our sovereignty in check and as long as our interest rates are on par with India, right now we have a higher interest rate......joining the asean countries is a pipe dream of every Bangladesh, its not even on the agenda of any politician to join asean.....they have a much high per capita gdp than india, the parity won't match up, where else it will be easier for us to integrate with India.

I will explain the interest rate bit, the reason we can't match Indian pricing is because their bank interest rate is lower than our's. I believe their interest rate is 8-9%; where ours is 11-13%. That is why if we have a free trade agreement with India; their goods will flood our economy and our businesses wont be able to match their pricing. If the bank interest rate is on par, we can match their prices. Geopolitics is all about feasibility and money. Countries are basically like big companies.

Yes, I expected that we would get that view from you. Looks like you are trying to represent the 1% elite view of Bangladesh, but you see many of us here are also from Bangladesh and many are also from that 1% elite. So we know well about what big industrialists are thinking and if we don't know, it would not be too hard to find out. One former BGMEA chairman I know, predicted that Jamaat will come to power, although I don't personally hope to see that happen.

I am not sure where you get the idea that BNP is pro-India, as far as I can tell it is the exact opposite, but whoever rules Bangladesh has to work with India, it does not mean that they get their orders from India like Hasina does.

If joining ASEAN is pipe dream of every Bangladeshi, then we will make it happen, Insha-Allah. You say our per capita GDP is low, we will wait till we make it high enough and then we will apply for membership.

We were a part of British India, so of course it would be very natural and easy to integrate with India, but they don't want us in, just like they do not want Muslim Pakistan. For the nth time, they don't want to loose their Hindu overwhelming majority, they are scared to let us in, and as an excuse they say that we are "Islamist terrorists" bent on Jihad to take over the world. In 1947 we were scared and got out and now they are scared to let us in, ironic isn't it. But the feeling is mutual now, Bangladesh or Pakistan do not want to integrate with a Hindu Nationalist India either.

I am no economist, but I have been through macro and micro economics in university, so I know a little bit. As far as I can tell, bank interest depend on risk factors, inflation and supply and demand of funds. If Bangladesh risk factors, inflation and demand of funds are higher than India, then of course interest rate in Bangladesh would be higher, just like Greek bond prices are higher than German bonds. In a free trade arrangement, the only way our business can compete with theirs is that if we also become a part of a large group like ASEAN, we become as or more politically stable than India, as a result,have less inflation than India and have more supply of funds than India, as FDI always go for safer and stable places, where the ROI is higher and more secure. In order to make Bangladesh more competitive, we need to become a part of ASEAN and integrate with ASEAN countries.

You have got one statement right, countries are like companies, but they are also much more than companies. The sole purpose of companies is to make profit. Countries also have one or more cultures that they want to uphold and follow. So Geopolitics is not just about money, but you could say that it is mostly about power, of which money is just one small aspect.
 
Lanka may join ASEAN..atleast they have religion in common with some members..but BD...biiach please.
 
Bangladesh getting to ASEAN is long over due. In fact Bangladesh had taken some steps under "looking east" initiative during last BNP govt but could not follow through due to multiple constraints. Bangladesh has natural reasons and case to be part of ASEAN. Interest rate or GDP are not even secondary consideration for ASEAN. Bangladesh has prospect of high growth, presents a huge market, have manpower, phyically connected to ASEAN region, have similar foreign policy view and friendly terems with all ASEAN countries are reson enough for Bangladesh to be considered. Bangladesh became member of ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) during last BNP govt. Now that dispute with Myanmar is over Bangladesh can be careful about indian design and push forward on eastward direction and ASEAN membership.

Thanks for your input. Japan and Korea both have tremendous influence and investment in ASEAN countries, as does China. Chinese influence might be higher because of diaspora Chinese in ASEAN. So there is talk of ASEAN+3 (China+Japan+Korea) from the Chinese side, but Japan (and Korea) know that such an union will be dominated by the Chinese, so the Japanese made counter proposal to include India, Australia and New Zealand as well. These groupings, however, can only be for trade and economics. When it comes to security and military alliances, the Chinese and Indians, as the largest states, will always want to chart their own course as future global super powers.

So we need to work with the Japanese and Koreans to convince them that it is in their interest to keep both China or India out from the new ASEAN+ group and include states that will be subservient to them, such as Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Timor Leste, Papua New Guinea etc. A EU like structure with military and economic union will ensure that it can compete well with China or India economically as well as militarily.

You don't really have to leave SAARC to join ASEAN. You can be in both groups.

Actually this is correct. But for Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, I guess we would like to limit SAARC for trade and economics only, while the ASEAN integration will go on all spheres, including military etc.

Lanka may join ASEAN..atleast they have religion in common with some members..but BD...biiach please.

Multi religious group with majority Buddhist, significant Muslim and Christian as well as plenty of no religion folks, specially when Korea and Japan decide to join in.
 
But Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunie are Muslim countries. So Bangladesh does have a common ground.

well I did not want to say that first...but what makes you think they will taken in another 150 million additional burden ? Lanka atleast has only about 20 million population and they are pretty well developed and upto ASEAN standards.
 
Yes, I expected that we would get that view from you. Looks like you are trying to represent the 1% elite view of Bangladesh, but you see many of us here are also from Bangladesh and many are also from that 1% elite. So we know well about what big industrialists are thinking and if we don't know, it would not be too hard to find out. One former BGMEA chairman I know, predicted that Jamaat will come to power, although I don't personally hope to see that happen.

I am not sure where you get the idea that BNP is pro-India, as far as I can tell it is the exact opposite, but whoever rules Bangladesh has to work with India, it does not mean that they get their orders from India like Hasina does.

If joining ASEAN is pipe dream of every Bangladeshi, then we will make it happen, Insha-Allah. You say our per capita GDP is low, we will wait till we make it high enough and then we will apply for membership.

We were a part of British India, so of course it would be very natural and easy to integrate with India, but they don't want us in, just like they do not want Muslim Pakistan. For the nth time, they don't want to loose their Hindu overwhelming majority, they are scared to let us in, and as an excuse they say that we are "Islamist terrorists" bent on Jihad to take over the world. In 1947 we were scared and got out and now they are scared to let us in, ironic isn't it. But the feeling is mutual now, Bangladesh or Pakistan do not want to integrate with a Hindu Nationalist India either.

I am no economist, but I have been through macro and micro economics in university, so I know a little bit. As far as I can tell, bank interest depend on risk factors, inflation and supply and demand of funds. If Bangladesh risk factors, inflation and demand of funds are higher than India, then of course interest rate in Bangladesh would be higher, just like Greek bond prices are higher than German bonds. In a free trade arrangement, the only way our business can compete with theirs is that if we also become a part of a large group like ASEAN, we become as or more politically stable than India, as a result,have less inflation than India and have more supply of funds than India, as FDI always go for safer and stable places, where the ROI is higher and more secure. In order to make Bangladesh more competitive, we need to become a part of ASEAN and integrate with ASEAN countries.

You have got one statement right, countries are like companies, but they are also much more than companies. The sole purpose of companies is to make profit. Countries also have one or more cultures that they want to uphold and follow. So Geopolitics is not just about money, but you could say that it is mostly about power, of which money is just one small aspect.

we can have trade relations with both. India is looking after her own interest, we'd have done the same. they will let us in, it is in their interest to do so. Pakistan is a different issue, thing is both Pakistan and India perceived themselves as the powerhouse of south Asia, they have always had a rivalry. I am not talking about letting us in or integrating with india. I am talking about free trade and commerce. We keep our sovereignty and they keep their's....strictly business.....immigration and everything still stays the same. That way both of us can profit.
 
We can join while still being a member of the SAARC. Besides It was Pres.ZIA who proposed the formation of SAARC but today
SAARC is made useless by the Dada of the neighborhood. Our future lies with E.Asia.
 
Good for Srilanka and Bangladesh SAARC is useless i want Pakistan to join SCO. Behind the scenes India is already in Nato.
 

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