Bangladesh Air Force

[Destranator]

Yet the bastard here has the audacity to blame BAL for BAF when his sugar daddy and Golapi fucked up BAF twice.

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Zia/BNP certainly did a lot of damage to BAF in the 70s and early 2000s which has contributed to the pathetic organisational culture and leadership that still remain to this day.
BAF needs full revamp with administration from BA and BN and oversight from a Joint Services Command to undo the damage.

 

[UKBengali]

Zia/BNP certainly did a lot of damage to BAF in the 70s and early 2000s which has contributed to the pathetic organisational culture and leadership that still remain to this day.
BAF needs full revamp with administration from BA and BN and oversight from a Joint Services Command to undo the damage.

Still BAL has been in power now for 12 years, BNP has not been in power for 14 years and so 95% of the fault is now with BAL.

 

[Destranator]

Still BAL has been in power now for 12 years, BNP has not been in power for 14 years and so 95% of the fault is now with BAL.

Certainly BAL is responsible for inaction in the 12 years. The main problem is, our politicians have little clue about national security. They rely on government organisations to make their cases for prioitising their funding - an activity BAF sucks at.
The PM occupies the Defence Minister's portfolio which prevents a defence expert from taking charge. On top of that is the lack of integration of the three forces. There is no military person with the authority to lead the armed forces under a unified command. This has resulted in lack of streamlining and prioritisation of defence procurement. BA and BN being strong organisations are able to get what they want out of the govt while BAF being the pathetic entity that it is continues to thumbtwiddle as there is no outside force within the government batting in their favour.
I have said this many times before:
A Joint Services Command headed by a 4-star officer, deputied by three star liason officers, should be formed with authority to determine priorities, streamline procurement and training and also govern major Defence R&D activities.
Upon formation, their first order of priority should be to install administrators from BA and BN into BAF to revamp the organisation and force BAF to order sufficient MRCAs.
By the time the MRCAs are all delivered, the revamp should be complete.

 

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[The Ronin]

Still BAL has been in power now for 12 years, BNP has not been in power for 14 years and so 95% of the fault is now with BAL.

Yeah right. BAL has 95% of the fault cause BAF still didn't order the MRCA, other things they bought in 12 years don't matter. The moment they order MRCA, the percentage will drop like a rock.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

I have said this many times before:
A Joint Services Command

So Joint services command does not exist in BD armed forces? Just hilarious

 

[Destranator]

Yeah right. BAL has 95% of the fault cause BAF still didn't order the MRCA, other things they bought in 12 years don't matter. The moment they order MRCA, the percentage will drop like a rock.

Exactly. I would put the fault at 60:40 titling towards BAF.
BAF is at fault because they have failed to prioritise MRCA procurement and make their case strongly enough to the govt. They cry about not being able to do enough during the 2017 Rohingya crisis yet not person in top leadership resigned back then. If BAF had any spine they would be all hands on deck scrambling all over the world to assess fighter jets and get some on lease until new builds are ordered and delivered. Instead they find resources to waste on arranging an aerial circus in 2022.

The govt is at fault as the buck stops with the cabinet.

 

[UKBengali]

Exactly. I would put the fault at 60:40 titling towards BAF.
BAF is at fault because they have failed to prioritise MRCA procurement and make their case strongly enough to the govt. They cry about not being able to do enough during the 2017 Rohingya crisis yet not person in top leadership resigned back then. If BAF had any spine they would be all hands on deck scrambling all over the world to assess fighter jets and get some on lease until new builds are ordered and delivered. Instead they find resources to waste on arranging an aerial circus in 2022.

The govt is at fault as the buck stops with the cabinet.

Your statement is contradictory as it blames BAF more but then it says the buck stops with the govt?

BD is not run by the military but by a civilian government and it is obvious to anyone in government(even Hasina) that the BAF leadership is not up to scratch. She must have figured out in 2017 that Myanmar would have the upper hand and could have devastated BD infrastructure like Chittagong port in an aerial clash.

The leadership should have been replaced years ago by BAL but it has not been.

Only logical conclusion is that BAL are not too worried about a lack of an effective airforce and so they allow the BAF leadership to do as they please.

Like I say the problem is fundamentally one of BAL and blaming BAF simply won’t fix the problem.

 

[Destranator]

Your statement is contradictory as it blames BAF more but then it says the buck stops with the govt?

BD is not run by the military but by a civilian government and it is obvious to anyone in government(even Hasina) that the BAF leadership is not up to scratch. She must have figured out in 2017 that Myanmar would have the upper hand and could have devastated BD infrastructure like Chittagong port in an aerial clash.

The leadership should have been replaced years ago by BAL but it has not been.

Only logical conclusion is that BAL are not too worried about a lack of an effective airforce and so they allow the BAF leadership to do as they please.

Like I say the problem is fundamentally one of BAL and blaming BAF simply won’t fix the problem.

As I have already stated many times in previous posts, in the absence of military know how in the cabinet, defence procurement gets prioritised based on how hard a service heckles. The improbability of an actual war further deprioritises military procurement in civilian minds. It is the job of the three services to push things up the chain. BA and BN do their parts just fine while BAF does BAF.

 

[UKBengali]

As I have already stated many times in previous posts, in the absence of military know how in the cabinet, defence procurement gets prioritised based on how hard a service heckles. The improbability of an actual war further deprioritises military procurement in civilian minds. It is the job of the three services to push things up the chain. BA and BN do their parts just fine while BAF does BAF.

How much military knowledge do you need to know your airforce is almost non-existent and cannot defend against a much smaller neighbour?

They know this in BAL and are relaxed about it.

 

[F-6 enthusiast]

As I have already stated many times in previous posts, in the absence of military know how in the cabinet, defence procurement gets prioritised based on how hard a service heckles. The improbability of an actual war further deprioritises military procurement in civilian minds. It is the job of the three services to push things up the chain. BA and BN do their parts just fine while BAF does BAF.

BA doesn't have to do too much to get attention.

They know this in BAL and are relaxed about it.

From my perspective its all about money, money , money. Civilian leadership looks at the huge price tag of MRCA and says ''nah f it '' .
Of course no one here knows the real answer why , all of us are here speculating. Money or the lack of will to spend it is the biggest problem here.

 

[Destranator]

How much military knowledge do you need to know your airforce is almost non-existent and cannot defend against a much smaller neighbour?

They know this in BAL and are relaxed about it.

Bangladeshi civilians in general have very little clue about defence. Ask Bangladeshis you know what MRCA stands for, 9/10 will fail to elaborate.
Politicians are no different. Moreover, all BD politicians care about is power grab and stealing money. They have little bandwidth to pay heed to military strategy.

 

[The Ronin]

She must have figured out in 2017 that Myanmar would have the upper hand and could have devastated BD infrastructure like Chittagong port in an aerial clash.

How Myanmar would've upper hand? Myanmar can't even win war against rebel with handmade rifle. They use trainer aircraft with unguided rockets to attack rebels. Ridiculous that people think Myanmar will have upper hand against a professional military just because they have more jets than us.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Bangladeshi civilians in general have very little clue about defence. Ask Bangladeshis you know what MRCA stands for, 9/10 will fail to elaborate.
Politicians are no different. Moreover, all BD politicians care about is power grab and stealing money. They have little bandwidth to pay heed to military strategy.

Like I proposed this before. Let Burma bomb the shit out of Chittagong port and us being caught off guard holding dicks in our hand… surely everyone will blame the govt. for not buying fighters and you’ll see massive purchase orders right there after

 

[Destranator]

How Myanmar would've upper hand? Myanmar can't even win war against rebel with handmade rifle. They use trainer aircraft with unguided rockets to attack rebels. Ridiculous that people think Myanmar will have upper hand against a professional military just because they have more jets than us.

Guerilla and conventional warfare are completely different challenges.
Military strenght wise Myanmar does have the upper hand over BD right now. Talk to any BA or BN officer, he/she will acknowledge.
BAF personnel I have met live in their own parallel universe so not sure what they will tell you.