Bangladesh Air Force

[Rokto14]

So far I remember Yak is convertible as fighter which may act almost as Mig-29 at war time. Radar is plugable and also it will be able to carry weapons. So, all 24 can act as fighters whenever necessary .

Then what about like after a significant number of pilots has got trained, have at least 1 squadron of YAK 130?

FC-1

JH-7A

J-10A/B

J-31

They look more like a copy of fusion of sukhoi 30 and F16

 

[hurt]

Yak-130 is a combat trainer with close air support capabilities. So yes, it does have some combat capability.

Hongdu L-15
higher speed and more agility

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 12.27 m ()
Wingspan: 9.48 m ()
Height: 4.81 m ()
Empty weight: 4.96 t (6.5 t)
Max. takeoff weight: 9.5 t ()
Powerplant: 2 × Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.4
Combat radius: Over 550+ km ()
Ferry range: 3,100 km ()
Service ceiling: 16,000 m ()
Rate of climb: >200 m/s (afterburning)

Guizhou JL-9
Cheaper,highest speed
General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 14.55 m (47 ft 8.83 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3.55 in)
Height: 4.1 m (13 ft 5.41 in)
Empty weight: 4.96 t (10,935 lb)
Loaded weight: 7.8 t (17,196 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 9.8 t (21,605 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Guizhou Liyang WP-13F(C) afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,914 lb)
Thrust with afterburner: 66.7 kN (14,650 lb)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2[10]
Cruise speed: Mach 1.6[citation needed]
Range: 2 500 km (1,553 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52493 ft)
Rate of climb: 260 m/s ()
Thrust/weight: 0.85
Armament

Guns: 1×Type 23-1 23 mm cannon
Hardpoints: 5
Missiles:
Air-to-air: various short and possibly medium-ranged air-to-air missiles
Air-to-ground: various
Bombs: various guided and unguided bombs and rockets
Avionics
FIAR Grifo S7 pulse-doppler radar

Hongdu JL-8
Cheapest

General characteristics

Crew: 2 (in tandem)
Length: 11.6 m (38 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 9.63 m (31 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.21 m (13 ft 9 in)
Empty weight: 2,687 kg (5,924 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 4,330 kg (9,546 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Garrett TFE731-2A-2A turbofan, 16.01 kN (3,600 lb)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 0.75 (800 km/h, 498 mph)
Range: 2,250 km (1,398 mi)
Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,651 ft)
Wing loading: 254.40 kg m-2 ()


Max. airframe load factor: +7.33 g / -3.0 g
Armament

Guns: 1× 23 mm cannon pod (mounted on centreline hardpoint)
Hardpoints: 5, total capacity 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) external fuel and ordnance:
4× under-wing, capacity 250 kg each
1× under-fuselage (23 mm cannon pod mount)
Rockets: 57 mm unguided rocket pods, capacity 24 rounds (2 x pods with 12 rounds each)
Air-to-air missiles: PL-5, PL-7
Bombs: 200 kg, 250 kg unguided bomb, BL755 cluster bomb
Others:
2× 80 gal fuel drop-tanks mounted on outboard under-wing hardpoints

 

[BDforever]

Hongdu L-15
higher speed and more agility

General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 12.27 m ()
Wingspan: 9.48 m ()
Height: 4.81 m ()
Empty weight: 4.96 t (6.5 t)
Max. takeoff weight: 9.5 t ()
Powerplant: 2 × Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.4
Combat radius: Over 550+ km ()
Ferry range: 3,100 km ()
Service ceiling: 16,000 m ()
Rate of climb: >200 m/s (afterburning)

Guizhou JL-9
Cheaper,highest speed
General characteristics

Crew: 2
Length: 14.55 m (47 ft 8.83 in)
Wingspan: 8.32 m (27 ft 3.55 in)
Height: 4.1 m (13 ft 5.41 in)
Empty weight: 4.96 t (10,935 lb)
Loaded weight: 7.8 t (17,196 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 9.8 t (21,605 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Guizhou Liyang WP-13F(C) afterburning turbojet
Dry thrust: 44.1 kN (9,914 lb)
Thrust with afterburner: 66.7 kN (14,650 lb)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 2[10]
Cruise speed: Mach 1.6[citation needed]
Range: 2 500 km (1,553 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,000 m (52493 ft)
Rate of climb: 260 m/s ()
Thrust/weight: 0.85
Armament

Guns: 1×Type 23-1 23 mm cannon
Hardpoints: 5
Missiles:
Air-to-air: various short and possibly medium-ranged air-to-air missiles
Air-to-ground: various
Bombs: various guided and unguided bombs and rockets
Avionics
FIAR Grifo S7 pulse-doppler radar

Hongdu JL-8
Cheapest
General characteristics

Crew: 2 (in tandem)
Length: 11.6 m (38 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 9.63 m (31 ft 7 in)
Height: 4.21 m (13 ft 9 in)
Empty weight: 2,687 kg (5,924 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 4,330 kg (9,546 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Garrett TFE731-2A-2A turbofan, 16.01 kN (3,600 lb)
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 0.75 (800 km/h, 498 mph)
Range: 2,250 km (1,398 mi)
Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,651 ft)
Wing loading: 254.40 kg m-2 ()


Max. airframe load factor: +7.33 g / -3.0 g
Armament

Guns: 1× 23 mm cannon pod (mounted on centreline hardpoint)
Hardpoints: 5, total capacity 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) external fuel and ordnance:
4× under-wing, capacity 250 kg each
1× under-fuselage (23 mm cannon pod mount)
Rockets: 57 mm unguided rocket pods, capacity 24 rounds (2 x pods with 12 rounds each)
Air-to-air missiles: PL-5, PL-7
Bombs: 200 kg, 250 kg unguided bomb, BL755 cluster bomb
Others:
2× 80 gal fuel drop-tanks mounted on outboard under-wing hardpoints

1.L-15 , still prototype
2. JL-9 has very good configurations and performance only lacks in hard points (5 hard points while yak 130 has 9 hard points), is it available for export ? what is its price ?
3. yak 130 is better than Hongdu JL-8

 

[hurt]

Then what about like after a significant number of pilots has got trained, have at least 1 squadron of YAK 130?


They look more like a copy of fusion of sukhoi 30 and F16

copy ?Plz look at sukhoi 30 and F16 again.

 

[hurt]

1.L-15 , still prototype
2. JL-9 has very good configurations and performance only lacks in hard points (5 hard points while yak 130 has 9 hard points), is it available for export ? what is its price ?
3. yak 130 is better than Hongdu JL-8

1 The first batch 12 L-15s complete in end of 2013 for a Foreign customer。I dont know when you get fist yak 130.

2 it is available for export, less than 8 million.

3 one Yak-130 cost can buy three K-8

Yak-130 is nice trainer,but not the only one.

 

[Rokto14]

1 The first batch 12 L-15s complete in end of 2013 for a Foreign customer。I dont know when you get fist yak 130.

2 it is available for export, less than 8 million.

3 one Yak-130 cost can buy three K-8

You mean L-15s are 8 million each???

Does BAF really has a need to get AEW&C like Australian, Indian, Russian air forces?

 

[hurt]

You mean L-15s are 8 million each???

Does BAF really has a need to get AEW&C like Australian, Indian, Russian air forces?

No,JL-9 /FTC-2000 are 8 million each.

L-15 cost close Yak-130,14 million each.
but it can training Supersonic flight ，Yak-130 cant.

 

[BDforever]

1 The first batch 12 L-15s complete in end of 2013 for a Foreign customer。I dont know when you get fist yak 130.

2 it is available for export, less than 8 million.

3 one Yak-130 cost can buy three K-8

Yak-130 is nice trainer,but not the only one.

1 yak 130 = $15 million, so k-8= $5 million ?
2. Bangladesh should go for 1 squadron L-15 or JL-9 if China agrees to sell J1X category aircraft to Bangladesh

Does BAF really has a need to get AEW&C like Australian, Indian, Russian air forces?

BAF does not need it because Bangladesh air space is small , big countries need AEW&C.

 

[hurt]

1 yak 130 = $15 million, so k-8= $5 million ?
2. Bangladesh should go for 1 squadron L-15 or JL-9 if China agrees to sell J1X category aircraft to Bangladesh

1 Yes, K-8 now can sell as Civilian aircraft.but it not powerful attack like Yak-130 and JL-15.
2 If you want

 

[BDforever]

1 Yes, K-8 now can sell as Civilian aircraft.but it not powerful attack like Yak-130 and JL-15.
2 If you want

1. out then
2. BAF asked Chinese gov. to sell J10 aircraft but Chinese gov. did not response, so BAF went for alternative

 

[hurt]

1. out then
2. BAF asked Chinese gov. to sell J10 aircraft but Chinese gov. did not response, so BAF went for alternative

1 BAF　ｎｅｅｄ　ｍｏｒｅ　ｔｙｐｅ　trainｅｒ，ｌｉｋｅ　JL-7, k-8 to Different levels of training

2 It is problem of Engine ,J-10 use AL31F now ,we cant export J-10 with AL31F because Russian Opposition.
If we cant sell J-10 to you ,you will choose russian fighter.This is a business competition。
There is no same problem in Pakistan，because Pakistan never interested in russian fighter.

 

[eastwatch]

BAF does not need it because Bangladesh air space is small , big countries need AEW&C.

BVR capable planes' BVR missiles are (almost) useless unless the plane's radars are fed with information on the exact location (X, Y and Z) of an enemy plane in the sky. This is what the function of an AEW&C is at the high sky. However, even with AWE&C it is very difficult for a most sophisticated BVR capable plane to make a killing if the enemy pilot is duly trained. An enemy plane's radar immediately signals that the plane has been locked for a BVR missile firing by the counterpart.

A good evasive manuevering by a highly skilled pilot will save his plane. The post 2nd WWll war records show the percentage of killing by BVR missiles is much much lower than the heat seeking missiles as well as gunfires. There will be less and less number of killings if the BAF planes are not supported by the AWE&C planes. So, BAF certainly needs it.

 

[BDforever]

BVR capable planes' BVR missiles are (almost) useless unless the plane's radars are fed with information on the exact location (X, Y and Z) of an enemy plane in the sky. This is what the function of an AEW&C is at the high sky. However, even with AWE&C it is very difficult for a most sophisticated BVR capable plane to make a killing if the enemy pilot is duly trained. An enemy plane's radar immediately signals that the plane has been locked for a BVR missile firing by the counterpart.

A good evasive manuevering by a highly skilled pilot will save his plane. The post 2nd WWll war records show the percentage of killing by BVR missiles is much much lower than the heat seeking missiles as well as gunfires. There will be less and less number of killings if the BAF planes are not supported by the AWE&C planes. So, BAF certainly needs it.

it depends , if you are in offensive mode and you are away from own country, you need AWE&C but within own country you do not it, air defence system provides it. And we are not in Offensive mode, we are in defensive mode

 

[Zarvan]

BD has a small land area to protect from enemy bombardments. So, BAF has adopted a policy of placing mobile SAMs that will protect vital assets such as cantonements, cities, air-bases, airports, bridges, industries, tank formations etc. from enemy attack. It has already been about six months when BAF inducted the first few batteries of SAMs, but then, as usual, has no more divulged infomation on new purchase. But, there are reasons to believe it has inducted many more since then.

Only yesterday, I have read somewhere in a post sent by someone else whereby the PM talked about the induction of medium range SAMs, too. But, the SAM types are not known. In the immediate future BAF will certainly purchase also long-range SAMs.

Why do you guys are predcting a doom's day for BD? Where do you find enemy countries who will attack BD tomorrow so that we need 300 planes? We are not that vulnerable, at least not now, because we maintain peaceful relationship with our neighbours. Once there are findings of oil ad gas in the BoB there might be some changes in their attitudes if we do not get ourselves ready. So, by the next few years BAF may raise its arsenal of planes to probably 9 sqs or 144 units of 3.5+, and 4+ generation planes.

Sir region in which we are in you will not even know where the attack came from and if you think you will have peace with India always than you are fooling your self Mr 300 Planes with the country like you and population like you are must Sir and those fighter planes should not be less than 4.5 Generation

 

[eastwatch]

it depends , if you are in offensive mode and you are away from own country, you need AWE&C but within own country you do not it, air defence system provides it. And we are not in Offensive mode, we are in defensive mode

Even a small and defensive country like BD needs AWE&C/AWAC system. AWACs are needed to keep on spying on the movements of enemy planes, its air bases, tank/artillery movements etc. from a high sky. Enemy air bases are not just at the other side of the border, but, at times, are a few hundred km away from the border. So, only a high altitude AWAC can keep on watching over their military activities. AWAC is not only for war time, but also for peace time. Since BD is surrounded by two hostile countries, so, in order to avert a surprise attack by any of these countries, it is necessary that BAF purchases one or two AWAC planes after a few years from now. AWACs give an early warning to the ground-based air defence system. A surprise attack can be blunted only with AWACs.