Bangladesh Air Force

[Tanveer666]

Indian just screwed Russia for big time. I can say that a big boot went into Vlad's arse. India withdraws from Su-57 AKA FGFA program.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/sukhoi-pak-fa-fgfa-updates-news-discussions.118201/page-187

Its been a long time coming. They have been dissatisfied with the progress of FGFA project for quite a while.

 

[TopCat]

Its been a long time coming. They have been dissatisfied with the progress of FGFA project for quite a while.

Actually they are not dissatisfied but India wanted a complete new technology to be transferred to them for very little money. I dont think any manufacturer will do that.

 

[Tanveer666]

The article clearly stated that Indians were dissatisfied.

Actually they are not dissatisfied

 

[TopCat]

The article clearly stated that Indians were dissatisfied.

Grapes are sour. Then why were they pressing for TOT till the end when the technology is no good for them.

 

[araberuni7]

Actually Russian promised too much and delivered too little. Sukhoi admitted that Su-57 will be delivered with same engine as Su-35 until proposed engine pass the tests. Radar is another issue then stealth is questionable. Add to that the Su-57 is complex to manufacture and maintain. It takes weeks to replace a single Engine. Plus Russian never disclosed much details to India about technology.

Russian business strategy sucks. They promised Zhuk-AE to Egyptian Air Force but delivering MiG-35 with mechanically scanned legacy Zhuk phased array because Zhuk-AE is not production ready.
Meanwhile Modi meet his Swedish counterpart to discuss Gripen and other ToT. India had enough of Russian BS. No shame saying that we should learn from India when comes to dealing with Mafia gangs of the East.

 

[Armchair]

Grapes are sour. Then why were they pressing for TOT till the end when the technology is no good for them.

Exactly. Even F-16 wasn't good enough for them in the MRCA. Nothing is good enough for these holy cows. Glad Russia still milked their holyness for 250 million USD which is now a sunk cost.

I hope Bangladesh Air Force can upgrade itself and become a viable force. Right now we only have a handful of MiG-29s and F-7s. 100 units of the FC-1 would be just what the doctor ordered.

More than that actually:
1. an integrated air defense networked c41
2. LRSAMs, at least 2 batteries
3. Something like the Pantsir

 

[araberuni7]

3. Something like the Pantsir

Pantsir has a shitty target detection capability. Ask the Syrian!

 

[Armchair]

Pantsir has a shitty target detection capability. Ask the Syrian!

I did ask them. They say its an excellent system that shot down droves of enemy munitions.

 

[araberuni7]

I did ask them. They say its an excellent system that shot down droves of enemy munitions.

Syrian said that they fired 25 missile to shoot down 1 F-16I. So the hit ratio is 4%. If the SA-5 cannot detect a single missile or 1970s Tornado GR4 than WTF Pantsir can do.

 

[Armchair]

Syrian said that they fired 25 missile to shoot down 1 F-16I. So the hit ratio is 4%. If the SA-5 cannot detect a single missile or 1970s Tornado GR4 than WTF Pantsir can do.

Those were other systems not the Pantsir. The Pantsir works great.

 

[TopCat]

Syrian said that they fired 25 missile to shoot down 1 F-16I. So the hit ratio is 4%. If the SA-5 cannot detect a single missile or 1970s Tornado GR4 than WTF Pantsir can do.

Downing a plane is very hard when they fly too high and beyond the range of the SRSM. The reason Israel and USA dont want anybody to get a hand on S-300 which has the range to chase down a aircraft.

 

[Ideas_R_Bulletproof]

The article clearly stated that Indians were dissatisfied.

this is what the Russian government media has to say about India.....

Press review: India's Russian submarine leak and Russia-US ties 'beyond repair'
Press Review
November 09, 2017,

Kommersant: Submarine scandal surfaces between Russia and India
An unprecedented scandal broke out between Russia and India with Moscow suspecting that New Delhi granted US Navy representatives access to the Russian nuclear submarine of Project 971i, operated by the Indian Navy since 2011. According to Kommersant, the incident threatens to seriously complicate negotiations both on the lease of the second nuclear submarine, and on other projects in the field of military-technical cooperation between the two countries.

Several sources in Russian state structures have confirmed that with the newspaper saying that the Indian partners have recently committed several "unfriendly acts towards Russia." First, according to them, the US Navy delegation visited the aircraft carrier Vikramaditya (property of the Indian Navy) and Russian officials were forced to issue a note of protest. After some time, a high-ranking military source told Kommersant, the American delegation was already on board the Chakra.

Kommersant’s source working in the military technical cooperation system, called the fact that the US Navy appeared on a Russian submarine (located on the base near Vishakhapatnam, pending repairs) outrageous. "There were well-trained technical specialists, though unlikely to get any real information," the source said.

According to the newspaper, this whole string of incidents can have a very adverse impact on defense cooperation between the two countries, which has been successfully developing over the past five years. According to several sources, specialized Russian structures are preparing retaliatory measures against their Indian partners. "Very difficult conversations are on the horizon, we have a lot of questions," a source said. Some who spoke to Kommersant believe that, in particular, the negotiations on leasing the second nuclear submarine, which the Indian Navy planned to obtain from Russia, will be seriously complicated.

According to Kommersant, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who intends to come to India in December with one of the largest deals on Russian arms, will have to iron out the problems that have accumulated. In addition to the Chakra issue, he must negotiate the creation of a fifth-generation fighter under an agreement which was signed back in 2007, but neither the airplane's conception nor its financial parameters have been determined yet.
More:
http://tass.com/pressreview/974730

 

[araberuni7]

Downing a plane is very hard when they fly too high and beyond the range of the SRSM. The reason Israel and USA dont want anybody to get a hand on S-300 which has the range to chase down a aircraft.

Agreed. It was actually hit one so it was within the range and altitude of pantsir but not using single shot. It took 25 shots. I am sure the seeker of panrsir sucks.

 

[araberuni7]

India also booted MiG-35 on the ground of Radar. In fact MiG-35 can't compete due the stipulation set by IAF. IAF wants GaN-based AESA radar. Gripen is leading the contest. Vlad's arse is hurting now.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-air-force-news-discussions.30328/page-267

 

[The Ronin]

The problem is Syria don't have enough radar coverage.