Balanced Analysis: S-400 Sale to India - Implications for Pakistan.

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Moeed pirzada gave a very good concerned speech and one of the journalist I like reading. Few things to add here.

First of all Indian Russia S-400 deal was not a surprise for Pakistan. We knew this was going to happen now taking a step forward May be we wanted India to purchase S-400 system to keep India out of US influence and back into the jaws of Russia. Moving forward on this with India buying S-400 means India doctrine has shifted from offensive to defensive. Where as Pakistan is developing 5th gen and India has not even started the project. After S-400 India will be out of the domain of US fifth gen and only option will be Russia for India.

You take U turn again . You and your fellow members were saying that India will not sign the deal bcz of US pressure.
Now you are saying that you knew deal is gonna be signed.
Pathetic U turn master.

 

[CriticalThought]

You take U turn again . You and your fellow members were saying that India will not sign the deal bcz of US pressure.
Now you are saying that you knew deal is gonna be signed.
Pathetic U turn master.

This much can be said with confidence: F-35 is completely out of the question for India.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Moeed pirzada gave a very good concerned speech and one of the journalist I like reading. Few things to add here.

First of all Indian Russia S-400 deal was not a surprise for Pakistan. We knew this was going to happen now taking a step forward May be we wanted India to purchase S-400 system to keep India out of US influence and back into the jaws of Russia. Moving forward on this with India buying S-400 means India doctrine has shifted from offensive to defensive. Where as Pakistan is developing 5th gen and India has not even started the project. After S-400 India will be out of the domain of US fifth gen and only option will be Russia for India.

You like this journalist analytics but you didn't hear what he said . He said India is on the driver seat in US-India relations . But again you have given pathetic analysis on India's foreign policy.
You know nothing nor on defence matters , neither on diplomacy. You are a waste on this forum .

This much can be said with confidence: F-35 is completely out of the question for India.

Who said we want F-35 ? We have already rejected F-35.

 

[BHarwana]

@The BrOkEn HeArT okay here is a simple question for you. India buying weapons from USA or Russia what difference it has for Pakistan? For Pakistan what matters is that India is buying a weapon and from whom it comes it does not matters because who ever the supplier is that weapon will be used against us, so why not use it to our advantage and punish India from diplomatic point of view? Regarding me saying you not signing the deal you are wrong I always said you will not get a waiver and that you will not.

Now have you seen any statement from Pakistan army on Indian purchase of S-400? Because we are getting some advantage from your purchase plus Russia is going to train Pakistani Soldiers after USA ditched us now have you seen that Pakistan Russian contract going out of bound with this indian move? No that contract stays. So what do you think we are doing? Indian is not a threat to Pakistan even with S-400. We are focused on USA India nexus in region and making a rift between you and USA because no matter how good your relations are this purchase cannot be digested by Pentagon

Now coming to India being in the driving seat. Lol Moeed is a very nice journalist and I truly like him but he is not defence analyst that is a different job. With Trump in office do you think India is in driving seat? He is a greedy man like hell every dollar going away from him to rest of the world hurts him. This is a disgrace for him that you defied him and bought Russian weapon system he will punish you. I am counting on Trumps greed. India buying S-400 means we have to make 72 more nukes and we can make them easily till 2021 lol easily that is the solution. Now can India fire a S-400 at pakistani jet? No India cannot any missile going in air means India has launched a nuclear strike on Pakistan before we know what type of missile it is and where it will hit we will retaliate with a nuclear strike this is a tense region.

Please understand the dynamics of the region we are living in.

 

[Mace]

@The BrOkEn HeArT okay here is a simple question for you. India buying weapons from USA or Russia what difference it has for Pakistan? For Pakistan what matters is that India is buying a weapon and from whom it comes it does not matters because who ever the supplier is that weapon will be used against us, so why not use it to our advantage and punish India from diplomatic point of view? Regarding me saying you not signing the deal you are wrong I always said you will not get a waiver and that you will not.

Now have you seen any statement from Pakistan army on Indian purchase of S-400? Because we are getting some advantage from your purchase plus Russia is going to train Pakistani Soldiers after USA ditched us now have you seen that Pakistan Russian contract going out of bound with this indian move? No that contract stays. So what do you think we are doing? Indian is not a threat to Pakistan even with S-400. We are focused on USA India nexus in region and making a rift between you and USA because no matter how good your relations are this purchase cannot be digested by Pentagon

Now coming to India being in the driving seat. Lol Moeed is a very nice journalist and I truly like him but he is not defence analyst that is a different job. With Trump in office do you think India is in driving seat? He is a greedy man like hell every dollar going away from him to rest of the world hurts him. This is a disgrace for him that you defied him and bought Russian weapon system he will punish you. I am counting on Trumps greed. India buying S-400 means we have to make 72 more nukes and we can make them easily till 2021 lol easily that is the solution. Now can India fire a S-400 at pakistani jet? No India cannot any missile going in air means India has launched a nuclear strike on Pakistan before we know what type of missile it is and where it will hit we will retaliate with a nuclear strike this is a tense region.

Please understand the dynamics of the region we are living in.

@BHarwana

we could try to get chinese hypersonic missile technology.
and later see if we can buy railguns when they perfect them,no plane should be able to dodge those.

I also believe these are genuine options for Pak if China is willing to share those technologies. You cant achieve this without Pak getting sucked deeper into a costly unsustainable arms race.

 

[The Accountant]

S400 can reach into Pakistan so it is not a defensive weapon and can be used preemptively.

Its an strategic weapon and we don't trust each others that much ...

Specially there are close military to military relationship between Indians and Russian individuals which have big impacts ...

May be sometime in future but not now

 

[Alpha BeeTee]

@The BrOkEn HeArT okay here is a simple question for you. India buying weapons from USA or Russia what difference it has for Pakistan? For Pakistan what matters is that India is buying a weapon and from whom it comes it does not matters because who ever the supplier is that weapon will be used against us, so why not use it to our advantage and punish India from diplomatic point of view? Regarding me saying you not signing the deal you are wrong I always said you will not get a waiver and that you will not.

Now have you seen any statement from Pakistan army on Indian purchase of S-400? Because we are getting some advantage from your purchase plus Russia is going to train Pakistani Soldiers after USA ditched us now have you seen that Pakistan Russian contract going out of bound with this indian move? No that contract stays. So what do you think we are doing? Indian is not a threat to Pakistan even with S-400. We are focused on USA India nexus in region and making a rift between you and USA because no matter how good your relations are this purchase cannot be digested by Pentagon

Now coming to India being in the driving seat. Lol Moeed is a very nice journalist and I truly like him but he is not defence analyst that is a different job. With Trump in office do you think India is in driving seat? He is a greedy man like hell every dollar going away from him to rest of the world hurts him. This is a disgrace for him that you defied him and bought Russian weapon system he will punish you. I am counting on Trumps greed. India buying S-400 means we have to make 72 more nukes and we can make them easily till 2021 lol easily that is the solution. Now can India fire a S-400 at pakistani jet? No India cannot any missile going in air means India has launched a nuclear strike on Pakistan before we know what type of missile it is and where it will hit we will retaliate with a nuclear strike this is a tense region.

Please understand the dynamics of the region we are living in.

Mr. Bharwana no offense intended but it's people like you (no disrespect intented) who come across as mature analysts on pdf and naive fanboys start believing that Pakistan has an answer to every threat and that somehow everything will work towards our benifit. Just how you are trying to downplay the huge implications of s400 for Pak is beyond me. Your reasoning is totally unbelieveable. You think Pak can create a rift between US and India? I meam c'mon, wake up to the real world.
Secondly, your response to s400 is typical Pakistani delusion where answer to everything is more nukes. The fact of the matter is clear for everyone who doesn't have the blindfolds on: 'We don't have any viable military solution to cater this'.. not at all. Such discussions where every fanboy is presenting his own theory against S400 should be banned. For heaven's sake, China had to buy this system because it was just too good.

Let me say it that the plan here in Pakistan is that the public must be fooled and made to believe that s400 threat is overhyped and we have 'answers' to every threat or will get them soon after buying some cheap toys from China.

Truth is that we have no answer to this threat. No military answer, no short term answer. We have being ignoring science, technology, education, hardwork and honesty for so long and now we want to compete with nations to have using these factors to their advantage for so long.

I dont believe our mighty strategists have the minds and means to cater these threats. All we can get is half baked risky solutions. Our delusion is greatly benifitting the enemy and frankly the Indians wont mind us being in a state of delusion where the answer to everything is a few 80's F16s, some JF 17s and tactical nukes.

My request to you is stop deluding and start educating people. Existential threat for Pakistan is getting real by the day. At this rate, the rate at which India is pacing forward and purchasing expensive toys, we have only a handful of years of breathing space left.

 

[khansaheeb]

If you think S400 is bad, look at these weapons too:-

http://www.historyinorbit.com/mind-bending-military-tech-of-the-future/

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

Neutralize S-400? yeah good luck with that. Pakistan needs to buy it's own S-400 and maybe Iranian B-373 to get Iron protection from all threats be it Ballistic or conventional/stealth aircraft

Your Airforce cannot do everything, Look at Russia and US. Your defense systems are pure shit.

Do not you need to be worry we have many solution for your brother India

 

[Asian.Century]

Well only option is find out and test S-400 as much as possible in Indian skies. Crack this out open and where possible bomb it.

 

[haman10]

Do not you need to be worry we have many solution for your brother India

We're no ones brother, i was just giving my own insight since we do operate S-300PMU2 and B373 which are similar systems. now if you want to act like an idiot and make new friends by connecting me and indians ( ) go ahead and do that.
I say that while knowing any criticizing people like you is water off a duck's back.

Well only option is find out and test S-400 as much as possible in Indian skies. Crack this out open and where possible bomb it.

I'm afraid it's much more complicated than that m8, but OK.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

@The BrOkEn HeArT okay here is a simple question for you. India buying weapons from USA or Russia what difference it has for Pakistan? For Pakistan what matters is that India is buying a weapon and from whom it comes it does not matters because who ever the supplier is that weapon will be used against us, so why not use it to our advantage and punish India from diplomatic point of view? Regarding me saying you not signing the deal you are wrong I always said you will not get a waiver and that you will not.

Now have you seen any statement from Pakistan army on Indian purchase of S-400? Because we are getting some advantage from your purchase plus Russia is going to train Pakistani Soldiers after USA ditched us now have you seen that Pakistan Russian contract going out of bound with this indian move? No that contract stays. So what do you think we are doing? Indian is not a threat to Pakistan even with S-400. We are focused on USA India nexus in region and making a rift between you and USA because no matter how good your relations are this purchase cannot be digested by Pentagon

Now coming to India being in the driving seat. Lol Moeed is a very nice journalist and I truly like him but he is not defence analyst that is a different job. With Trump in office do you think India is in driving seat? He is a greedy man like hell every dollar going away from him to rest of the world hurts him. This is a disgrace for him that you defied him and bought Russian weapon system he will punish you. I am counting on Trumps greed. India buying S-400 means we have to make 72 more nukes and we can make them easily till 2021 lol easily that is the solution. Now can India fire a S-400 at pakistani jet? No India cannot any missile going in air means India has launched a nuclear strike on Pakistan before we know what type of missile it is and where it will hit we will retaliate with a nuclear strike this is a tense region.

Please understand the dynamics of the region we are living in.

You are a truly gem....

I hope your army and foriegn policy makers are thinking same as you, It will be more easy job for India in future .

 

[Mahmood-ur-Rehman]

We're no ones brother, i was just giving my own insight since we do operate S-300PMU2 and B373 which are similar systems. now if you want to act like an idiot and make new friends by connecting me and indians ( ) go ahead and do that.
I say that while knowing any criticizing people like you is water off a duck's back.

I'm afraid it's much more complicated than that m8, but OK.

You are definite idiot rather bastard as well

 

[HAIDER]

First thing Pakistan needs to do when India sets up the S400 system is for Pakistan to probe it's capabilities by continuously activating the s400 Indian system by sending drones and decoys and then develop ECM to neutralise it.

India buying 5 systems, Each launch 36 targets at a time. All 5 will not be deployed along Pak border. Atleast 2 along Pak border and 3 will be along Chinese border. China already has S400 and soon they will share how to neutralize this system and shared with Pakistan. Or may be one along Bangladeshi border.

 

[Panzerfaust 3]

All we need to do is create a few more fake female accounts on Facebook and you guys will divulge all.

Aree baap re mar gye ab to hum log

Isko to sab pta h

Neutralize S-400? yeah good luck with that. Pakistan needs to buy it's own S-400 and maybe Iranian B-373 to get Iron protection from all threats be it Ballistic or conventional/stealth aircraft

Your Airforce cannot do everything, Look at Russia and US. Your defense systems are pure shit.

Hey buddy tell me more about B-373