Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[NALANDA]

This has been the case since partition. Assets and technical advantage has always remained with India, still the two wars where air forces were used by both sides gave victories to Pakistan. How and why PAF was able to dominate has been discussed over and over again.

However today's and next generation war would mostly rely on accuracy of artificial intelligence. Today the missile technology has improved to becoming really reliable and its ability to carry out a deadlier explosion raises the needs of counter measures. Today due to globalization if one has a missile technology then this is very likely there is an other also doing research in regards to produce counter measures.

Safety in numbers can also increase the risk of greater losses.

Today PAF is standing on a fork unable to decide which path should be taken. PAF has two options go for more 4.5+ gen aircraft in decent numbers or go for 5th gen aircraft in limited numbers.

PAF has to increase its number of airbases on the West so that they can effectively nullify the long distance option of IAF which would most likely use Israeli Airforce tactic's if they attack Pakistan.


Dharna

You guys so conveniently forget that you chose to sit in the lap of USA who flooded with free and advanced war fare machineries as sought by your government and technologically u had an edge during 50''s ^ 60''s / 70''s ....which madelivers your general's think that they can win war against India and thus attacked India. India under Nehru opted for NAM and lead the movement. Nehru was idealist...

so do some research before blabbering here....

 

[Chhatrapati]

Relax. I know you are suffering from "lesser men" syndrome :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

So, I guess you people are the men with largest di*k... Always the same di*k measuring contest.
Not to mention the topic is Balance of Air power in Asia and you are discussing about di*k size of Indian men.

 

[Joe Shearer]

So, I guess you people are the men with largest di*k... Always the same di*k measuring contest.
Not to mention the topic is Balance of Air power in Asia and you are discussing about di*k size of Indian men.

Poor chap has no other assets.

This has been the case since partition. Assets and technical advantage has always remained with India, still the two wars where air forces were used by both sides gave victories to Pakistan. How and why PAF was able to dominate has been discussed over and over again.

I have never read greater rubbish. Are you so lost in your self-created myths that you pretend that SEATO and CENTO didn't exist? That massive equipment flows didn't exist? That you were flying Starfighters against Gnats? That you had artillery streets ahead of the Indian? That you were using the then gold standard in MBTs against Centurions?

Why do you insult the intelligence of every reader by saying these things?

However today's and next generation war would mostly rely on accuracy of artificial intelligence.

Don't tempt me.

Today the missile technology has improved to becoming really reliable and its ability to carry out a deadlier explosion raises the needs of counter measures. Today due to globalization if one has a missile technology then this is very likely there is an other also doing research in regards to produce counter measures.

It's all in the wording.

"Today due to globalisation if one has a missile technology then it is very likely that one's patron will ensure that is shared with the patron's other clients."

Safety in numbers can also increase the risk of greater losses.

Today PAF is standing on a fork unable to decide which path should be taken. PAF has two options go for more 4.5+ gen aircraft in decent numbers or go for 5th gen aircraft in limited numbers.

Put your mind at rest. I doubt that this indecision will continue for an indefinite period of time.

PAF has to increase its number of airbases on the West so that they can effectively nullify the long distance option of IAF which would most likely use Israeli Airforce tactic's if they attack Pakistan.

What was it that says that we tend to gear up to fight yesteryear's wars? Not today's?

Dharna

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

You guys so conveniently forget that you chose to sit in the lap of USA who flooded with free and advanced war fare machineries as sought by your government and technologically u had an edge during 50''s ^ 60''s / 70''s ....which madelivers your general's think that they can win war against India and thus attacked India. India under Nehru opted for NAM and lead the movement. Nehru was idealist...

so do some research before blabbering here....

It is not sitting in the lap of USA...India was Sitting on two laps UK and Russia, still that was not enough. When Pakistan did not get the required numbers of assists through UK, Pakistan could have gone for German or US, US was preferred. In 1950 PAF got the latest technology as it did not need to buy WW2 leftovers. This is normal and logical approach.

Will India go and get Mirage 2000 today, When she can get the Rafales?

Poor chap has no other assets.



I have never read greater rubbish. Are you so lost in your self-created myths that you pretend that SEATO and CENTO didn't exist? That massive equipment flows didn't exist? That you were flying Starfighters against Gnats? That you had artillery streets ahead of the Indian? That you were using the then gold standard in MBTs against Centurions?

Why do you insult the intelligence of every reader by saying these things?



Don't tempt me.



It's all in the wording.

"Today due to globalisation if one has a missile technology then it is very likely that one's patron will ensure that is shared with the patron's other clients."



Put your mind at rest. I doubt that this indecision will continue for an indefinite period of time.



What was it that says that we tend to gear up to fight yesteryear's wars? Not today's?

Drink some cold water to cool yourself, do not want you to die due to a heart attack.

SEATO AND CENTO WERE TO DEFEND AGAINST RUSSIA.

It was India that sat on Russia lap which made maters worse. If Russia would have shown aggression against Pakistan during the Russo - Afghan War Pakistan would have become NATO member. Then what would have happened to India?

If you are tempted then you are free to respond. After all this forum is for discussion.

Every thing in this world has a price...If it is made then it is for sale. This world works on Survival of the Fittest.

If you want to fight then fight be it Today's War or Yesteryear's war. Rest assure we are prepared and waiting.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is not sitting in the lap of USA...India was Sitting on two laps UK and Russia, still that was not enough. When Pakistan did not get the required numbers of assists through UK, Pakistan could have gone for German or US, US was preferred. In 1950 PAF got the latest technology as it did not need to buy WW2 leftovers. This is normal and logical approach.

More rubbish.

The first MiG 21s were not in regular squadron service even in 1965; they were not flown. Vampires were flown. Check your records.

The planes bought from the UK, Hawker Hunters and Canberras, were bought against cash, not on soft terms or on outright grant, like the US for Pakistan.

There was no attempt to get anything from the UK, because SEATO and CENTO had got down to even informing the PA how to organise its divisions. We needed to buy WWII leftovers, because we were buying. You were not.

Go peddle those stories elsewhere; I was there, then.

Will India go and get Mirage 2000 today, When she can get the Rafales?

And what has that to do with the price of eggs?

Drink some cold water to cool yourself, do not want you to die due to a heart attack.

SEATO AND CENTO WERE TO DEFEND AGAINST RUSSIA.

Precisely.

It was misuse of the military aid that was given, and there were formal, official complaints. The US paid no attention. Even as late as 71, the US Military Aid officer, Chuck Yeager, was barreling around taking an active interest in PAF operations.

It was India that sat on Russia lap which made maters worse. If Russia would have shown aggression against Pakistan during the Russo - Afghan War Pakistan would have become NATO member. Then what would have happened to India?

Check your dates. Check that Pakistan was a member of SEATO and CENTO.

If you are tempted then you are free to respond. After all this forum is for discussion.

Every thing in this world has a price...If it is made then it is for sale. This world works on Survival of the Fittest.

If you want to fight then fight be it Today's War or Yesteryear's war. Rest assure we are prepared and waiting.

Don't give me that horsefeathers line. You have been ready and waiting one day before we got Independence. What's new? You continue to be ready and waiting. When it is needed, you will be paid the requisite amount of attention. We are not ready and waiting, because we do not believe in resolving issues through war. We believe in treaties and observe those that we have entered into: the cease-fire line and the agreement to an international boundary even in the Jammu province, the Indus Waters Treaty, the Shimla Pact - name it.

 

[mqur1963]

this is Pakistan defense why don't you Indian get the hell out read the mountain name in Afghanistan Hindukush

 

[Joe Shearer]

this is Pakistan defense why don't you Indian get the hell out read the mountain name in Afghanistan Hindukush

LOL.

Make up your mind.

Do you know where those captives who died came from? If Pakistan had existed then, the Hindukush would have had a different name.Oh, but wait.....according to your scholastic geniuses, Pakistan always existed; it's just that its name was 'occluded', and none but the initiated knew about it! so now we know why Hindukush.

 

[Surya 1]

You won't understand it kid.F16s are enough to kill your mai whereas jf17 is well enough to kill your flying coffins,mirages and jaguars.If any doubt in mind dare to cross the border. Our shaheens are ready.

DO not bat too much on F 16. If select it for make in India and produces 200 block 70 than you will have to change your stand.

Within a decade, We shall have best planes of the world, PAKFA, FAGFA, RAFALE, MIG 35/F 16/Saab Gripen and LCA TEJAS MK2 and may be few F35s. All will suck against Indian airforce.

 

[The Eagle]

I;m thinking of doing Imran Khan;s like Dharna of 2014 in front of AHQ, If they don;t Sign contract for the 40 new MMRA jet by the 2016.
@Zarvan @The Eagle @I S I @DESERT FIGHTER @ACE OF THE AIR @Windjammer @war&peace and allPakistan members are invited to join the dharna.

Going to be one of its kind....

Why not to push the corrupt elites to raise the budget and also start a tax paying awareness campaign to the looters and cheaters rather than electing them that they are always with one complain about the most budget is being spent on Military contrary to the fact that political thugs looted the same with both hands with less development to show for public consumption.

 

[Surya 1]

Going to be one of its kind....

Why not to push the corrupt elites to raise the budget and also start a tax paying awareness campaign to the looters and cheaters rather than electing them that they are always with one complain about the most budget is being spent on Military contrary to the fact that political thugs looted the same with both hands with less development to show for public consumption.

This is a good idea but spent that for the upliftment of your people because that will not help you to match indian airforce either now or any time in future.

 

[The Eagle]

This is a good idea but spent that for the upliftment of your people because that will not help you to match indian airforce either now or any time in future.

You are not the first one with the same idea about us w.r.t matching with IA but the thing is, we are defensive force so there is no desire to match 1:1 with IA at all and I don't know what made you think like this. The progress in public sector is not just because of the budget but the most chunk is being stolen, bribed or looted in way of tenders to the relatives for such projects hence never made it to lowest level.

 

[New World]

Going to be one of its kind....

Why not to push the corrupt elites to raise the budget and also start a tax paying awareness campaign to the looters and cheaters rather than electing them that they are always with one complain about the most budget is being spent on Military contrary to the fact that political thugs looted the same with both hands with less development to show for public consumption.

this is a good Idea but do remember that Pakistani society has been corrupted to its core in last 8 years, no matter one is on highest post or the lowest he is corrupt. awareness campaign will took at least a decade to show it true color.

this Dharna is the immediate need for the security...

 

[The Eagle]

this is a good Idea but do remember that Pakistani society has been corrupted to its core in last 8 years, no matter one is on highest post or the lowest he is corrupt. awareness campaign will took at least a decade to show it true color.

this Dharna is the immediate need for the security...

The potential in society is there only it needs a little and proper push and we will see the results. Even after all this, PAF is doing well, not discounting them totally but still in better position and all it needs a raise in budget alongwith other departments as well. The better the security, better feeling of secure economy.

Rest with dharna, reminds me to play airforce songs as well.

 

[GURU DUTT]

You are not the first one with the same idea about us w.r.t matching with IA but the thing is, we are defensive force so there is no desire to match 1:1 with IA at all and I don't know what made you think like this. The progress in public sector is not just because of the budget but the most chunk is being stolen, bribed or looted in way of tenders to the relatives for such projects hence never made it to lowest level.

R&D sirji gustakhee mauf ho but PAF was never a defnsive force in any of its previous wars till 1980s when US sanctions came hard after end of afghan jihad deu to neuclear plofration issues on pakistan and later the neuklear tests which we both know are smoke screens

point is till PAF had US support in 1960s-1970s-1980s PAF was a offensive force like on lines or IsAF but now its on defensive as niether its got US/NATO support nor its main opponent is that militarrily and economically waek ... am i wrong saeen ji

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

R&D sirji gustakhee mauf ho but PAF was never a defnsive force in any of its previous wars till 1980s when US sanctions came hard after end of afghan jihad deu to neuclear plofration issues on pakistan and later the neuklear tests which we both know are smoke screens

point is till PAF had US support in 1960s-1970s-1980s PAF was a offensive force like on lines or IsAF but now its on defensive as niether its got US/NATO support nor its main opponent is that militarrily and economically waek ... am i wrong saeen ji

Procurement of J-20, J-31 and their equivalents would change the current situation. Also there is the option of collaboration with Turkey with regards to producing a 5th-generation fighter jet. With regards to a weak Pakistani economy, those days are coming to an end thanks to CPEC, other programs and economic reforms.