Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

What roasting?

Every time the argument was going badly, that URL came out. In effect, we can't beat you any other way, so we'll beat you because man-to-man, we're better. The BBC says so.

Do you realise how hollow and ridiculous that sounds?



The facts were going well, so what Aunt Sally said Cousin Fred might do if Brother John didn't behave came out. Apart from the URL, and repeated insistence that the Pakistani soldier was better than the Indian (which has been tested time and again on the sports field and found to be statistically incorrect), you retreated from every single argument. Presenting a wide variety of emoticons really doesn't represent a successful defence; it represents an unwilling to face facts.



I can do better, and shall. I shall copy this masterly and terse little note, which carries everything needed, and simply reproduce it.

Others abide the question, Maestro; you stand alone. Salut.

PS: It has been saved as The Oscar Riposte. Sounded less terminal than The Oscar Skewer.

Bang Galore showed up out of nowhere recently. It gave me an opportunity to compare my three different masters and laugh at myself and at your contrasting styles. Niaz Sahib's simple, lucid rightness, your acid-dipped epigrams and Bang Galore's amused scepticism.

Detracting from facts???????...........what about the fact that indians need not be concerned about Pakistan especially since 33-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's severely malnourished and extreme poor are part of your race and nation:

http://m.firstpost.com/india/shocke...t-of-worlds-malnourished-children-916359.html

http://wws.princeton.edu/news-and-e...al-health-india-much-worse-previously-thought

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

Solve the above problems 1st then come and talk.


Don't know which specific sports you are referring to, but head to head, Pakistan has defeated india more times than you have beaten us in cricket and hockey. That is amazing despite the fact that you are more than 7x bigger than us and have many times more resources than we do

Why would we need help?



There is something wrong in your logic, when you assume that the PAF can operate from within Pakistani air space and dominate a much larger air space and land mass, but that the IAF has to penetrate Pakistani air space to do anything substantial. Does the IAF not have substantial stand off weaponry?r



At the level of airy-fairy nothings Pakistan does have a western front, which is not exactly passive at the moment. And China has been ratcheting up the tension on her maritime boundaries for some time now. the Philippines has caved in, Malaysia shows distinct signs of doing that, but there are still pockets of resistance. The USA, for instance.

These are for the sake of argument. Personally, I don't believe that the situation is bad enough to contemplate even Pakistan and China mounting joint operations, leave alone a larger multilateral outbreak of hostility.



To put things in your terms, we need to ask if the AIP subs will be so located as to be able to get some gains within the one week that you postulate (which is probably correct).



I'm afraid that the facts aren't on your side.

1. The restrictions - the rigid restrictions - put on the IAF and the IA by the political leadership are well known. Even the Americans, approached by Nawaz Sharif in dire straits, knew all about them, and knew that he was facing a disastrous situation in spite of that.
2. The weakness of the Pakistani side has been put before all of us very bluntly: after the initial period of display of mutual machismo, with radar locks on each other, the PAF reverted to combat air patrols and less and less of those due to shortages of spares. Please read Kaisar Tufail.
3. In spite of everything, some fanboys make it a pointer of superiority or of domination to argue that the IAF never crossed the LOC. The fact is that it did so repeatedly and frequently, with no specific aggressive intent, because the LOC is a tortured, twisted line at most points. This is the case of the dog that did not bark at night. The PAF was on CAP but never reacted to these numberless breaches of the LOC. Work it out.

I personally feel that a shore-based missile defence, and a supplementary maritime patrol aircraft line with stand-off weapons is the best combination and the most that can be sensibly defended. If the hostilities don't last more than a week, what will the surface ships do, besides playing tom-fool games with the IN during peacetime?




OUCH!

That stung!

Take it easy; I suspect he's deliberately baiting you.



Three times in recorded history - four times, counting efforts to recovery Siachen from an alleged Indian intrusion - one nation has attacked the other, and failed every time. In those circumstances to claim any kind of victory due to having survived is startlingly funny. All that Pakistan needed to do was not demonstrate its strength and skill at fighting off a neighbour 7 times bigger, but just keep within her own borders, and refrain from mounting an attack.

Guess what?????........despite the fact that your nation and race is 7x bigger than us, you still havn't managed to destroy us in nearly 70 years. Even though your kind said we would not survive past december 1947. And another thing, NO nation in the entire history of mankind has single handedly managed to survive against an enemy nation more than 7x bigger than us and has abundant access to the world's most advanced weapons systems whilst we are denied this privilege. Even Israel has only survived for so long because of the unlimited support and back up from America and the West. Wheras Pakistan has stood alone and survived odds far far greater than Israel. And there's nothing no-one can do about it.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Detracting from facts???????...........what about the fact that indians need not be concerned about Pakistan especially since 33-40% of the ENTIRE Earth's severely malnourished and extreme poor are part of your race and nation:

http://m.firstpost.com/india/shocke...t-of-worlds-malnourished-children-916359.html

http://wws.princeton.edu/news-and-e...al-health-india-much-worse-previously-thought

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...591/India-accused-of-poverty-smokescreen.html

Solve the above problems 1st then come and talk.


Don't know which specific sports you are referring to, but head to head, Pakistan has defeated india more times than you have beaten us in cricket and hockey. That is amazing despite the fact that you are more than 7x bigger than us and have many times more resources than we do

Lol mate, as if you live in Utopia where every person is healthy, clean and powerful. I'm not gonna say, solve your polio problem first. Then come and argue. Interesting to see, my race is your race. You are all part of the Indian subcontinent and its race.

Stick to the topic rather than going around.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol mate, as if you live in Utopia where every person is healthy, clean and powerful. I'm not gonna say, solve your polio problem first. Then come and argue. Interesting to see, my race is your race. You are all part of the Indian subcontinent and its race.

Stick to the topic rather than going around.

IF you didn't have those problems and india was utopia, you would be in a position to do so. But the fact is neither country is and neither should ideally criticize one another. The above is a response to those indians who insult Pakistan and claim india is a superpower. Facts say otherwise.

Sorry, but Pakistanis are not the same race as the indians are. That is a myth and propaganda, mainly perpetuated by the indian media. It has been proven by me and many others on PDF many times so will not be repeated again. At most, 2.5% of Indians may have SOME racial similarities to Pakistan but that's where it ends. But that is neither here nor there anyway. At least 30% of Pakistanis who live in North and West of the country have a direct racial and genetic connection to Iran and Afghanistan. But that does not make Pakistanis Iranian, Afghans or Middle Eastern.

 

[ravi gupta]

IF you didn't have those problems and india was utopia, you would be in a position to do so. But the fact is neither country is and neither should ideally criticize one another. The above is a response to those indians who insult Pakistan and claim india is a superpower. Facts say otherwise.

Sorry, but Pakistanis are not the same race as the indians are. That is a myth and propaganda, mainly perpetuated by the indian media. It has been proven by me and many others on PDF many times so will not be repeated again. At most, 2.5% of Indians may have SOME racial similarities to Pakistan but that's where it ends. But that is neither here nor there anyway. At least 30% of Pakistanis who live in North and West of the country have a direct racial and genetic connection to Iran and Afghanistan. But that does not make Pakistanis Iranian, Afghans or Middle Eastern.

Your superior race theory i will like just Adolf Hitler thoery of superior Aryan Race.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Your superior race theory i will like just Adolf Hitler thoery of superior Aryan Race.

I havn't claimed Pakistanis are part of the Aryan race or a superior race. But neither are we part of the same race as modern day indians are.

 

[Chhatrapati]

IF you didn't have those problems and india was utopia, you would be in a position to do so. But the fact is neither country is and neither should ideally criticize one another. The above is a response to those indians who insult Pakistan and claim india is a superpower. Facts say otherwise.

Sorry, but Pakistanis are not the same race as the indians are. That is a myth and propaganda, mainly perpetuated by the indian media. It has been proven by me and many others on PDF many times so will not be repeated again. At most, 2.5% of Indians may have SOME racial similarities to Pakistan but that's where it ends. But that is neither here nor there anyway. At least 30% of Pakistanis who live in North and West of the country have a direct racial and genetic connection to Iran and Afghanistan. But that does not make Pakistanis Iranian, Afghans or Middle Eastern.

Yeah, precisely the point. Joe Shearer never mentioned anything about poverty, undernourishment or anything. You drag those in. If you can please quote, anyone saying India is a Superpower. (India is a potential Superpower though). Pakistani's are the exactly the same race as majority of Indians. Punjabi constitute 44% an Indo-Arian race. Including Sindhi.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah, precisely the point. Joe Shearer never mentioned anything about poverty, undernourishment or anything. You drag those in. If you can please quote, anyone saying India is a Superpower. (India is a potential Superpower though). Pakistani's are the exactly the same race as majority of Indians. Punjabi constitute 44% an Indo-Arian race. Including Sindhi.

If Pakistanis are the same race as indians than it doesn't explain the reality of why so many Pakistanis do not physically resemble indians. That is fact no indian can explain satisfactorily.

 

[Khafee]

If Pakistanis are the same race as indians than it doesn't explain the reality of why so many Pakistanis do not physically resemble indians. That is fact no indian can explain satisfactorily.

If we can't come up to your level, we will drag you down to our level.

 

[salarsikander]

which programme is being killed as we speak please care to elborate ?

Please go through the Convo trails. I hate to repeat myself

 

[Chhatrapati]

If Pakistanis are the same race as indians than it doesn't explain the reality of why so many Pakistanis do not physically resemble indians. That is fact no indian can explain satisfactorily.

My point is simple. If you are talking about skin colour then again, not all Pakistani people are fair likewise not all Indian are fair. You think you are arab origin which is a misconception. Arabs are not your ancestors.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

My point is simple. If you are talking about skin colour then again, not all Pakistani people are fair likewise not all Indian are fair. You think you are arab origin which is a misconception. Arabs are not your ancestors.

INFERIORITY COMPLEX!......You just confirmed it.........Not once did I claim Pakistanis are Arabs nor did I say we are light skinned. All I said was the truth. That Pakistanis are physically different to indians. Bit no one can explain this fact ADEQUATELY. Someone from NWFP in Pakistan would be as different to a south indian as a German would be to a Kenyan. So there goes the delusion that Pakistanis are the same race as indians.

 

[Chhatrapati]

INFERIORITY COMPLEX!......You just confirmed it.........Not once did I claim Pakistanis are Arabs nor did I say we are light skinned. All I said was the truth. That Pakistanis are physically different to indians. Bit no one can explain this fact ADEQUATELY. Someone from NWFP in Pakistan would be as different to a south indian as a German would be to a Kenyan. So there goes the delusion that Pakistanis are the same race as indians.

Why should I feel inferiority complex. Not to mention, I don't consider any race superior or inferior. I said "If" you are talking about race. Which I assumed and I never claimed that you said. And here you go again, the people from south India comparing to Kenya You are clouded with misconceptions. You don't say anything but guess what, I can read between lines. I wonder when did you suddenly became so different. Few decades ago you were all part of the same subcontinent. Anyway, I don't wanna continue this pointless argument. Adios!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Why should I feel inferiority complex. Not to mention, I don't consider any race superior or inferior. I said "If" you are talking about race. Which I assumed and I never claimed that you said. And here you go again, the people from south India comparing to Kenya You are clouded with misconceptions. You don't say anything but guess what, I can read between lines. I wonder when did you suddenly became so different. Few decades ago you were all part of the same subcontinent. Anyway, I don't wanna continue this pointless argument. Adios!

The British may have been ruling us both and lumped us all together but the very fact that Pakistan was created was testament to the fact that Pakistani people were and always will be a different race to indians. It was our destiny to create a nation for our unique race and way if life.

 

[Chhatrapati]

The British may have been ruling us both and lumped us all together but the very fact that Pakistan was created was testament to the fact that Pakistani people were and always will be a different race to indians. It was our destiny to create a nation for our unique race and way if life.

Yeah yeah.... Fine, take a hike.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yeah yeah.... Fine, take a hike.

Relax. I know you are suffering from "lesser men" syndrome :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm