Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[My-Analogous]

What happened kiddo no more answers.... go learn about what we did to ur navy and karachi port in 71.



25% in pakistan is called nearly finished!!!
Kid u achieved that rate because our planes were much inferior to that of paf at that time.... now with the quality and quantity.. you'll be whooped... what happened to the glories paf in 99?? Why did they watched the onslaught of northern light infantry without doing anything

71 was more then 45 years old story and today question is are you guys have guts to attack us? don't live in 70's and regarding your 1970's story to win over us. Now my question is did you finish Pakistan which was your goal?. Did your army make bharat mata of your one?. Please answer me in yes or no and it is very easy. Waiting for your answer and please don't tell me stories and i want your answer in yes or no

lol who is going to come help India, Ghostbusters?

no. he will

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lol mate, as if you live in Utopia where every person is healthy, clean and powerful. I'm not gonna say, solve your polio problem first. Then come and argue. Interesting to see, my race is your race. You are all part of the Indian subcontinent and its race.

Stick to the topic rather than going around.

You are in trouble.

This one has an obsession with being of a different race than the rest of the sub-continent. Good luck!

 

[Trisonics]

The British may have been ruling us both and lumped us all together but the very fact that Pakistan was created was testament to the fact that Pakistani people were and always will be a different race to indians. It was our destiny to create a nation for our unique race and way if life.

Can you name this race?

 

[Joe Shearer]

If Pakistanis are the same race as indians than it doesn't explain the reality of why so many Pakistanis do not physically resemble indians. That is fact no indian can explain satisfactorily.

LOL.

He answered you before you asked the question. The majority of Pakistanis are Punjabis, and they resemble Indian Punjabis like - OK, like peas in a pod resemble each other. And Indian Punjabis resemble Indian Haryanvis, and Indian Pahadis, and Indian Rajasthanis, and Indians in the west of UP. And in turn, those resemble the Indians immediately next to them, but in different ways, not in the ways they resemble Punjabis. People resemble those around them, and you can see the resemblances. There is not more than a 2% genetic variance from one end of south Asia to the other, except that the Pashtun are different. All the rest in Pakistan, excluding the Pashtun, are genetically almost identical to the rest in south Asia - including, you will be horrified to learn, those whom you slaughtered in large numbers because they outnumbered you and had more voters than you and had the sheer gall to want to make a ministry after winning an election and rule over you. Short, dark rice-eaters, to jog your memory.

Your racist theories are bunkum; they were always bunkum. They just make you part of that same bunch of racist kooks that infest large sections of the European lower class yobs who riot after football matches. If something in what you say makes you feel like 'greater men', indulge yourself. For as long as you can.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

LOL.

He answered you before you asked the question. The majority of Pakistanis are Punjabis, and they resemble Indian Punjabis like - OK, like peas in a pod resemble each other. And Indian Punjabis resemble Indian Haryanvis, and Indian Pahadis, and Indian Rajasthanis, and Indians in the west of UP. And in turn, those resemble the Indians immediately next to them, but in different ways, not in the ways they resemble Punjabis. People resemble those around them, and you can see the resemblances. There is not more than a 2% genetic variance from one end of south Asia to the other, except that the Pashtun are different. All the rest in Pakistan, excluding the Pashtun, are genetically almost identical to the rest in south Asia - including, you will be horrified to learn, those whom you slaughtered in large numbers because they outnumbered you and had more voters than you and had the sheer gall to want to make a ministry after winning an election and rule over you. Short, dark rice-eaters, to jog your memory.

Your racist theories are bunkum; they were always bunkum. They just make you part of that same bunch of racist kooks that infest large sections of the European lower class yobs who riot after football matches. If something in what you say makes you feel like 'greater men', indulge yourself. For as long as you can.

Think you are desperate to prove that Pakistanis are physically the same as indians when nothing can be further from the truth. Punjabis make up less than 3% of the indian population yet around 60% of the Pakistani population. They are the only ethnic group that are common to both Pakistan and India. Therefore 97% of Indians have nothing in common with Pakistan whatsoever.

Pushtun make up at least 30% of Pakistan. Pakistan also shares a border with Iran. So a large proportion of Pakistanis share a lot in common with Persians/Iranians and Afghans. That does not make us Iranians, Middle Eastern or Afghan.

You claim that Pakistanis are the same as indians yet a Baloch, Pathan or Kalash would have as much in common with an indian as would a German with an Ethiopian.

The biggest bunkum is a proud patriotic indian trying to prove that Pakistanis are the same race as them.......lol. Next you'll be trying to prove that the Lebanese, Jordanians and Turks are indians too.....lol.

The biggest racists are desperate indians who relent on PDF. Who claim that india is a superpower and trying to explain why Pakistan will be destroyed soon and that CPEC will fail.....lol

 

[New World]

The IAF is ahead of the PAF, in terms of aircraft and quality. Pilot training, experience etc, that's fine but it can't simply cover the conventional gap there is now. The PAF needs to make quite a substantial acquisition pronto, to lessen the gap. In Pakistan's favour is a smaller airspace, and the IAF has the Chinese to worry about, who at best they can have a credible deterrence against.
The economy means everything.

I;m thinking of doing Imran Khan;s like Dharna of 2014 in front of AHQ, If they don;t Sign contract for the 40 new MMRA jet by the 2016.
@Zarvan @The Eagle @I S I @DESERT FIGHTER @ACE OF THE AIR @Windjammer @war&peace and allPakistan members are invited to join the dharna.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Can you name this race?

Non-indian race

 

[Joe Shearer]

Think you are desperate to prove that Pakistanis are physically the same as indians when nothing can be further from the truth. Punjabis make up less than 3% of the indian population yet around 60% of the Pakistani population. They are the only ethnic group that are common to both Pakistan and India. Therefore 97% of Indians have nothing in common with Pakistan whatsoever.

Pushtun make up at least 30% of Pakistan. Pakistan also shares a border with Iran. So a large proportion of Pakistanis share a lot in common with Persians/Iranians and Afghans. That does not make us Iranians, Middle Eastern or Afghan.

You claim that Pakistanis are the same as indians yet a Baloch, Pathan or Kalash would have as much in common with an indian as would a German with an Ethiopian.

The biggest bunkum is a proud patriotic indian trying to prove that Pakistanis are the same race as them.......lol. Next you'll be trying to prove that the Lebanese, Jordanians and Turks are indians too.....lol.

The biggest racists are desperate indians who relent on PDF. Who claim that india is a superpower and trying to explain why Pakistan will be destroyed soon and that CPEC will fail.....lol

I will answer your opening remark and ignore the rest: I am DESPERATE to prove nothing. My presence here now is to explain, to educate, to edify, in rare cases; it is not to make points for either Pakistan or for India. Don't waste your time explaining yourself, your posts do that for you. And I speak of you not with hate or anger, just with amusement, and, yes, some pity.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are in trouble.

This one has an obsession with being of a different race than the rest of the sub-continent. Good luck!

And if we weren't a different race to indians then Pakistan would NEVER have been created.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And if we weren't a different race to indians then Pakistan would NEVER have been created.

Still here? Foolish fellow, it was not about race; it was about religion. You were 'created' by an individual, who took a feeling of religious insecurity and gave a national shape to it. That individual was not part of those whom you proudly identify as 'typical' Pakistani.

Amusing.

Now go watch football, and leave these things to those who know enough about it. Again, no hurt is intended; you simply don't know enough to argue these topics.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I will answer your opening remark and ignore the rest: I am DESPERATE to prove nothing. My presence here now is to explain, to educate, to edify, in rare cases; it is not to make points for either Pakistan or for India. Don't waste your time explaining yourself, your posts do that for you. And I speak of you not with hate or anger, just with amusement, and, yes, some pity.

Couldn't give a toss and it doesn't change anything.

Still here? Foolish fellow, it was not about race; it was about religion. You were 'created' by an individual, who took a feeling of religious insecurity and gave a national shape to it. That individual was not part of those whom you proudly identify as 'typical' Pakistani.

Amusing.

Now go watch football, and leave these things to those who know enough about it. Again, no hurt is intended; you simply don't know enough to argue these topics.

So that logic, the Pathan, Kalash and Baloch of Pakistan are the same race as south indians........lol.

Let Pakistanis speak about Pakistan and our race. We know better about it than a foreigner like you. Think your rudeness is due to your little weaner "lesser men syndrome":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

 

[Joe Shearer]

Couldn't give a toss and it doesn't change anything.




So that logic, the Pathan, Kalash and Baloch of Pakistan are the same race as south indians........lol.

Let Pakistanis speak about Pakistan and our race. We know better about it than a foreigner like you. Think your rudeness is due to your little weaner "lesser men syndrome":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6161691.stm

Not logic. Fact.

 

[ghazi768]

Balance of air power is a complicated subject and there are are two many trolls from both sides to make a serious discussion futile. a few points in my opinion..

For the foreseeable future, PAF (and in fact other services as well) will remain strategically on defensive. And will try to maintain numbers and equipment to be able to, tactically, get on offensive. That is the best case scenario provided, fortune the wrecker of all but best laid plans do not intervene for one or the other party.

Force multipliers are asymmetric in nature so are only applicable if one party has those and other party do not. We both have AWACS and decent base for net-centric warfare and data links. Although India had tried via TTP route to seriously dent it but we recovered quickly and are actually in much better shape coverage-wise than they are.

Number-wise, things have never been this good for PAF before. IAF has roughly 32-34 combat squadrons. If you subtract 11 Mig-27 and Jaguar sqdns than they have 21-23 combat sqdns for AD/AS. Although all combat types we have after A-5s retirement can be fielded for AD/AS but we'll have 14-16 sqdns for AD/AS duty.

For pure CAS/TA, they are ahead with dedicated sqdns but will first need to take care of our AD assets and AWACS otherwise losses will be unbearable. But over-all they have a sizeable number of sqdns either geared for TA or capable of MR. We are gearing up in this department and significant portions of our force is now multi-role as well.

Availability-wise, IAF was at 60% for very long time and in-spite of claims otherwise will frankly remain in the neighbourhood of that figure. Ours had swung like a pendulum to extremes depending upon sanctioned or not. Presently it is very healthy and above 80%, I can say that periodic sanctions and their impact has left a mark on us and has resulted in a sort of maniac calculations and preparations in this regards. Unless a campaign stretches too far, we'll be able to hold our fort. We had developed a habit of stashing up things for a 'rainy day'.

Now some from Indian side may take an offence but, availability-wise, AD/AS assets being fielded by both sides presently on day one of campaign will be roughly equal..

Now in a campaign, unless fortune the wrecker of all plans decides to intervene or as Rumsfeld said once 'unknown unknowns' in term of technology or tactics result in one side getting lynched, serviceability and resulting continued availability is the king or the queen, whatever you prefer.
One thing everybody forgets once in a while is that peace-time availability do not tend to go up in a war, it tends to go down drastically even for those who can manufacture all the spares themselves. Active air warfare take heavy toll on all machinery but especially on combat aircrafts and the nature of air warfare is such that this toll gets focused on AS/AD assets heavily. Servicing needs sky rocket and that is when 'stashes for a rainy day' can become even decisive.

A service which can't even keep up peace-time spare supply chain and availability will be hard pressed to do otherwise in a campaign.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The IAF is ahead of the PAF, in terms of aircraft and quality. Pilot training, experience etc, that's fine but it can't simply cover the conventional gap there is now. The PAF needs to make quite a substantial acquisition pronto, to lessen the gap. In Pakistan's favour is a smaller airspace, and the IAF has the Chinese to worry about, who at best they can have a credible deterrence against.
The economy means everything.

This has been the case since partition. Assets and technical advantage has always remained with India, still the two wars where air forces were used by both sides gave victories to Pakistan. How and why PAF was able to dominate has been discussed over and over again.

However today's and next generation war would mostly rely on accuracy of artificial intelligence. Today the missile technology has improved to becoming really reliable and its ability to carry out a deadlier explosion raises the needs of counter measures. Today due to globalization if one has a missile technology then this is very likely there is an other also doing research in regards to produce counter measures.

Safety in numbers can also increase the risk of greater losses.

Today PAF is standing on a fork unable to decide which path should be taken. PAF has two options go for more 4.5+ gen aircraft in decent numbers or go for 5th gen aircraft in limited numbers.

PAF has to increase its number of airbases on the West so that they can effectively nullify the long distance option of IAF which would most likely use Israeli Airforce tactic's if they attack Pakistan.

I;m thinking of doing Imran Khan;s like Dharna of 2014 in front of AHQ, If they don;t Sign contract for the 40 new MMRA jet by the 2016.
@Zarvan @The Eagle @I S I @DESERT FIGHTER @ACE OF THE AIR @Windjammer @war&peace and allPakistan members are invited to join the dharna.

Dharna

 

[$@rJen]

71 was more then 45 years old story and today question is are you guys have guts to attack us? don't live in 70's and regarding your 1970's story to win over us. Now my question is did you finish Pakistan which was your goal?. Did your army make bharat mata of your one?. Please answer me in yes or no and it is very easy. Waiting for your answer and please don't tell me stories and i want your answer in yes or no



no. he will

Kiddo.... go back to the history... india never begun a war with pakistan... it was pakistan who always were the aggressor.. so what makes u think India will attack Pakistan!!! Even during the 71 war we didn't invade pakistan occupied kshmir... and there's no such plan for one bharat or whatever you're taught to hate india... that might be a fantasy of some old hinduwata fool.. not the gov of India's plan.

Now having said that.. you want kashmir so badly you initiated all the wars.... but why are you guys are not trying that again??? Is it because you've come to ur senses that you could never accomplish your objectives militarily against india!???

FYI
The answer is YES