Balance Of Air Power In South Asia

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

The arsenal aircraft will be flying at a distance from the stealth aircraft---. The arsenal aircraft would also have some stealthier capabilities---.

As there would be no radar lock to launch---the enemy will not know when the attack comes---and from where the attack is coming in the initial stages---. As the confusion would be high---the arsenal aircraft could stay annonymous for awhile---but launching bvr missiles it would still get closer.

But now imagine a stealthier capability B52 bomber sesnor fused to an F22 / F35 launching standoff weapons from a range of 250 + miles and then gone.

The video has excellent information----.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

The arsenal aircraft will be flying at a distance from the stealth aircraft---. The arsenal aircraft would also have some stealthier capabilities---.

As there would be no radar lock to launch---the enemy will not know when the attack comes---and from where the attack is coming in the initial stages---. As the confusion would be high---the arsenal aircraft could stay annonymous for awhile---but launching bvr missiles it would still get closer.

But now imagine a stealthier capability B52 bomber sesnor fused to an F22 / F35 launching standoff weapons from a range of 250 + miles and then gone.

The video has excellent information----.

Arsenal planes are unrealistic. They tried something similar with arsenal ships and then simply decided to modify 4 SSNs to carry a lot of cruise missiles. The cost of losing one in combat will be significant. And losing a few would mean you will have to send what's left to the hangar.

The problem with such systems is they are high profile targets and you are just inviting yourself for an attack.

Rather the US has switched to the LRS-B/PCA configuration, a bomber and a fighter escort.

 

[Jammer]

Arsenal planes are unrealistic. They tried something similar with arsenal ships and then simply decided to modify 4 SSNs to carry a lot of cruise missiles. The cost of losing one in combat will be significant. And losing a few would mean you will have to send what's left to the hangar.

The problem with such systems is they are high profile targets and you are just inviting yourself for an attack.

Rather the US has switched to the LRS-B/PCA configuration, a bomber and a fighter escort.

Agreed, this has been hypothesized before, in a sophisticated combat airspace like Israel, Russia, India, Pakistan .etc. etc. the vulnerability factor for the "arsenal" or delivery crafts is high. Deep penetration strike has a higher probability of success when it combines, speed, stealth (not to be confused only with stealth technology, sometimes there are other ways to hide, at least for a little while), a long distance shot and the element of surprise and confusion for the enemy at various stages of the operation. Thus the billions spent on the development of the B1 and B2 bombers, the 117 etc. The B52 would work over in an unsophisticated airspace like Afghanistan .etc. but your not going to survive if you bring that lumbering bad boy anywhere near a modern highly lit up airspace (not to mention the shenanigans of additional fighter cover adding to the loss of the element of surprise).

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

In our scenario---the deep strikes are not primarily over land---but from the sea route.

Enemy has a vast coastline---if it needs to protect it major installations on the coastline---then it needs to move its assets from frontline to cover the flanks---.

When it does that---its resources get thin from places where it needs the most.

And as the coastline has many a vulnerable targets---it would need more and more assets to cover them.

The term 'deep strike' is being misundertsood---the ingress is a stair step progression---.

If on day one---a major major city 600-800 miles away from our border on enemy coastline is targeted---a city that was NEVER targeted before and the aircrafts can deliver their load from a distance of 250-300 miles away successfully---that is the first round of deep strike.

The arabian sea / indian ocean is vast---the aircraft can fly as far away from the enemy coastline to be safe----dash in at the last minute and from a maximum distance point launch their assets and turn away.

When using aircraft---the first rounds of the deep strikes would start against the outer defenses.

Purpose of these strikes is to create chaos and panic in areas never been vulnerable to strikes in the previous wars.

 

[randomradio]

Agreed, this has been hypothesized before, in a sophisticated combat airspace like Israel, Russia, India, Pakistan .etc. etc. the vulnerability factor for the "arsenal" or delivery crafts is high. Deep penetration strike has a higher probability of success when it combines, speed, stealth (not to be confused only with stealth technology, sometimes there are other ways to hide, at least for a little while), a long distance shot and the element of surprise and confusion for the enemy at various stages of the operation. Thus the billions spent on the development of the B1 and B2 bombers, the 117 etc. The B52 would work over in an unsophisticated airspace like Afghanistan .etc. but your not going to survive if you bring that lumbering bad boy anywhere near a modern highly lit up airspace (not to mention the shenanigans of additional fighter cover adding to the loss of the element of surprise).

An arsenal plane headed towards Russia will get shot down by the S-400 long before the aircraft enters the battlespace.

Hi,

In our scenario---the deep strikes are not primarily over land---but from the sea route.

Enemy has a vast coastline---if it needs to protect it major installations on the coastline---then it needs to move its assets from frontline to cover the flanks---.

I think we have discussed this before. Doing this is impossible. Right now, there are nearly 40 IN ships in the Arabian Sea. You cannot penetrate it with your air force.

The distance between the Indian mainland and Oman is just 1000Km. Well within the range of many of our fighters.

The arabian sea / indian ocean is vast---the aircraft can fly as far away from the enemy coastline to be safe----dash in at the last minute and from a maximum distance point launch their assets and turn away.

There's no such place. You can fly over Saudi Arabia, over the Red Sea, circle around Madagascar, hug Antarctica's coast, then the cost of Australia and you will still meet the Indian Navy in Nicobar.

 

[MastanKhan]

I think we have discussed this before. Doing this is impossible. Right now, there are nearly 40 IN ships in the Arabian Sea. You cannot penetrate it with your air force.

Hi,

No---you discussed it---.

Nothing has changed on my side.

 

[randomradio]

Hi,

No---you discussed it---.

Nothing has changed on my side.

So your half a squadron of jets 'that you don't have' will fly through 50 IN jets, 200+ IAF jets, 40 ships, some equipped with the most advanced air defences known to man and then hit South India, which is also protected by missile defence and is defended by 2 new squadrons?

 

[Storm Force]

So your half a squadron of jets 'that you don't have' will fly through 50 IN jets, 200+ IAF jets, 40 ships, some equipped with the most advanced air defences known to man and then hit South India, which is also protected by missile defence and is defended by 2 new squadrons?

Unless THE PAF/PN have acquired a heavey twin engine multi role fighter in the class of flankers/F15/F18 hornets

There is no such plane or squadron of planes that fly over 1000 km to South india with full load of missles and bombs and then fly back safe and sound.

With one single squadron of block 52 which is the jewel in their crown they will wish to keep these safe and intact from loss over indian seas and skys.

PAF is built as a pure defensive doctrine air power. Single engine lightweight fighters says it all

NOT A TWINN ENGINED HEAVEY IN SIGHT

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

An arsenal plane headed towards Russia will get shot down by the S-400 long before the aircraft enters the battlespace.

It would be short down if it is in range. Arsenal plans would only operate once they know that all hostiles have been neutralized by the stealth aircraft.

You have to keep in mind that this can be possible for now only with USA as they have the required number of stealth aircraft that can penetrate deep inside enemy territory undetected.

In the past F-117 Night Hawks were used during First Gulf War. B-2 were used in Second Gulf War which gave the Americans complete Air Dominance. B-52 did high level bombing runs well above the firing range of the remaining Anti Aircraft weapons that were available.

This way B-52 became the arsenal plane.

There is an other way to operate these Arsenal Planes far from enemy defenses. This would require smart ammunition which has long range, satellite communication and guidance so that the leading stealth aircraft can identify the target and guide these to them.

Something USA can do without any difficulty.

 

[randomradio]

It would be short down if it is in range. Arsenal plans would only operate once they know that all hostiles have been neutralized by the stealth aircraft.

What's the point bringing in the 'arsenal' plane after the battle is over?

Anyway, the American plan for an arsenal plane is simply using a bomber for SEAD. It will fire cruise missiles from far away, relying on the F-35's sensors. There's nothing special in it. Anybody can do that.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

What's the point bringing in the 'arsenal' plane after the battle is over?

Anyway, the American plan for an arsenal plane is simply using a bomber for SEAD. It will fire cruise missiles from far away, relying on the F-35's sensors. There's nothing special in it. Anybody can do that.

It is not over till the fat lady sings.

These aircraft are just for force projection.