BAF to induct Su-30SME from Russia

[UKBengali]

So your saying BAF is buying these K-8 in a combat role rather than as trainers?

Yak-130 is probably good enough to take on fighters such as Mig-29 and JF-17 in WVR engagements.
K-8W has no chance against them.

 

[bluesky]

Yak-130 is probably good enough to take on fighters such as Mig-29 and JF-17 in WVR engagements.
K-8W has no chance against them.

With a very low level of performance platform, even the Yak-130 cannot be used in a dense combat role, and never against Mig-29 or JF-17. Read below its flight specifications:

1) Maximum speed: 1,060 km/h
2) Range: 1,600 km
3) Maximum range (with 2 EFTs, H=12.000m): 2.300 km
4) Max flight endurance time (with 2 EFTs): 3.0 h
5) Combat range: 500/800 km
6) Service ceiling: 12,500 m

BAF is purchasing a number of various trainers in order to prepare the pilots for 4.5G jet planes.

 

[Nike]

So your saying BAF is buying these K-8 in a combat role rather than as trainers?

Just my assumption, but so far there is no indication of Bd to increasing the input of fighter pilots by increasing the input of number trainee by adding more basic trainer squadrons or even training aircraft.

What is your idea, do the trainers come first or the fighters? It is certainly the trainers. All the airforces have so many trainers in their stock. No one with a sane mind will ever think of using the trainers like K-8s in the actual combat. At least give our BAF the benefit of doubt that the officers there are not insane. Do you really think BAF will use the trainers to bomb or fight the enemy planes? Read about how low performer can be a trainer.

"The K-8 can climb at a rate of 30m/s. The maximum speed is 800km/h. The range and service ceiling of the aircraft are 2,140km and 13,600m respectively. The maximum endurance is four hours 25 minutes".

BAF is not alone, many countries have so many trainers including K-8. Even a small MAF has 62 units of K-8 planes. Only when BAF inducts trainers in adequate numbers you guys start badmouthing it. Read below:

"Egypt (118), Ghana (four), Myanmar (62), Namibia (12), Pakistan (55), China (200), Sri Lanka (six), Sudan (12), Tanzania (six), Zambia (eight) and Zimbabwe (11)".

Hold your horses mouth, Myanmar do the job as yours with using K8 as their low cost patroller, trainerand light attack aircraft, but they got comparable fighter number with their trainer of 31 Mig 29 and 24 J7 . Egypt got more than double of F16 (210) and other frontline fighter like raffale and mirage 2000 compared to their trainer jet, Pakistan got more than 80 F16, 60 Mirages and more than 100 JF 17 fighter, China got more than 2000 fighter like Flanker, J10, J8 and other. Dont you know if Sudan got more than 60 Mig 29, 12 Frog foot and other fighter in decent number? Well how about Bd? You got only 8 Mig 29, 16 newly built J7Bg and already ordered 16 Yaks 130, 8 K8 and ordered 23 more? The disparity is too big in near future

 

[KapitaanAli]

Buying trainers doesn't imply fighters. If about 50 'trainers' are mostly for training for a soon to be inducted fighter, BAF should suddenly see an influx of a large number of pilots. Their training will be worth a couple of squadrons, if that human resource is available.

BD currently has more than enough trainers for a sudden fighter induction. But I wouldn't blame anyone for hoping.

Get the MiG35.

 

[bluesky]

Buying trainers doesn't imply fighters. If about 50 'trainers' are mostly for training for a soon to be inducted fighter, BAF should suddenly see an influx of a large number of pilots. Their training will be worth a couple of squadrons, if that human resource is available.

BD currently has more than enough trainers for a sudden fighter induction. But I wouldn't blame anyone for hoping.

Get the MiG35.

But, who can teach this simple thing to a talkative @Marine Rouge? She is bent on proving that BAF bought the trainer light aircraft only for a combat role. Keep on blabbering Ms. @Marine Rouge.

 

[bluesky]

I would like to know the reason you accuse some individuals of insults and are quick to ban knowledgeable members like @Nilgiri and poor old el sidd's nick gets changed to Retired Troll.

Stupid, nobody trolled or abused you. But, learn to respect the history as it has unfurled in the past. Are you not a troll when you bring history in the present thread and then complain against others to the administrator. Grow up a bit, baby!!

 

[Aung Zaya]

Even a small MAF has 62 units of K-8 planes. Only when BAF inducts trainers in adequate numbers you guys start badmouthing it

nope. we dont have 62 K-8. but somehow around 40 units as we brought them to assemble locally. and we used them as COIN role in insurgency area. that's why the number is high. if not we dont need that much. and even with such a high number, ratio of trainer : fighter would be 1:1 ( 12 x Yak-130 + 40 K-8W ) as we have 31 Mig-29 and 30+ F-7 excluding the orders (16 x JF-17 and 6 x Su-30SME.)

 

[Avicenna]

Just my assumption, but so far there is no indication of Bd to increasing the input of fighter pilots by increasing the input of number trainee by adding more basic trainer squadrons or even training aircraft.


Hold your horses mouth, Myanmar do the job as yours with using K8 as their low cost patroller, trainerand light attack aircraft, but they got comparable fighter number with their trainer of 31 Mig 29 and 24 J7 . Egypt got more than double of F16 (210) and other frontline fighter like raffale and mirage 2000 compared to their trainer jet, Pakistan got more than 80 F16, 60 Mirages and more than 100 JF 17 fighter, China got more than 2000 fighter like Flanker, J10, J8 and other. Dont you know if Sudan got more than 60 Mig 29, 12 Frog foot and other fighter in decent number? Well how about Bd? You got only 8 Mig 29, 16 newly built J7Bg and already ordered 16 Yaks 130, 8 K8 and ordered 23 more? The disparity is too big in near future

Your assumption doesn't make sense. Let me break it down for you. If a given country states in official statements that it plans on inducting more MULTIROLE FIGHTER AIRCRAFT in the near future. And then buys a quantity of primary trainers..And that same given country has only a handful of supersonic fighters at present. How can you make the assumption that the said primary trainers will serve primarily as combatants rather than as trainers leading up to a future multi-role fighter.

Your assumption is based on conjecture and bias rather than the facts that are present.

Also Yak-130 will get blown out of the sky in any A2A engagement with MiG-29 or JF-17.

 

[Aung Zaya]

But, who can teach this simple thing to a talkative @Marine Rouge? He is bent on proving that BAF bought the trainer light aircraft only for a combat role. Keep on blabbering Mr. @Marine Rouge.

what she said is nothing wrong.

 

[Avicenna]

what she said is nothing wrong.

No. Shes likely wrong. What is her reasoning for saying such a thing?

 

[Aung Zaya]

No. Shes likely wrong. What is her reasoning for saying such a thing?

why so serious .? she is talking from positive point of views. she didn't say BD will substitute MiG29's interceptor role with K-8. and K-8 can definitely be used as light attack fighter as it can carry couple of PL-5 or PL-7. So what she said is nothing wrong.

 

[AMG_12]

Yak-130 is probably good enough to take on fighters such as Mig-29 and JF-17 in WVR engagements.
K-8W has no chance against them.

Nice one, can you help me understand how you reached that conclusion?

 

[Imran Khan]

Yak-130 is probably good enough to take on fighters such as Mig-29 and JF-17 in WVR engagements.
K-8W has no chance against them.

@Windjammer your thunder can be shot down by YAK-130?

 

[Tps43]

Yak-130 is probably good enough to take on fighters such as Mig-29 and JF-17 in WVR engagements.
K-8W has no chance against them.

being sarcastic or what?

 

[Avicenna]

why so serious .? she is talking from positive point of views. she didn't say BD will substitute MiG29's interceptor role with K-8. and K-8 can definitely be used as light attack fighter as it can carry couple of PL-5 or PL-7. So what she said is nothing wrong.

Actually she did. And in fact I asked her a direct question in regards to that and she answered it.

Anyways, nothing to do other than to watch and wait.

I expect all the haters to acknowledge that they are wrong once the news is made public.