BAE HAWK MK132...........is it even good??

[he-man]

Now folks india has orsered these birds as the advanced jet trainers.I would like to know how are these even in the same league as other trainers as

1)Does it have fly by wire(quadruplex)

2)Does it have a t/w ratio thats good............??

3)Does it have a radar?

4)Is it capable of a high angle of attack

I know that answer to all these questions is no so why did IAF despite other compelling and better trainers like YAK-130 order this??

 

[he-man]

BAE, Elbit to develop advanced capabilities for IAF Hawk trainers - Airforce Technology

Why not just directly buy a true LIFT(Lead in fighter trainer) than keep equipping these slow and dull beasts and sign seperate contracts with companies like elbit??

Just look at yak-130.................Is our force so stupid to not understand the differences??
Russia’s Yak-130 Trainer & Light Attack Jets

And compare that to bae hawk.............bae hawk loses in everything badly

 

[GR!FF!N]

@he-man

bro..Yak-130 wasn't even produced when India procured Hawk..first Yak-130 entered service in 2009 in RUAF..while India commissioned HAWK in 2008...

now,HAWK is most successful AJT in history..


now lets answer few of your questions...

1)Does it have fly by wire(quadruplex)--nope

2)Does it have a t/w ratio thats good............??--passable..enough to train pilots..

3)Does it have a radar?--nope,cause its not a frontline fighter jet..but it can fire A2A missiles by using radar-equipped mounts...also,HAWK-200 has RADAR(Northrop Grumman APG-66H multi-mode radar)....

4)Is it capable of a high angle of attack--its not aimed to perform this kind of role..its a trainer jet...


look..some of trainer aircrafts can be converted into light attack aircraft,but thats not the role for what IAF chose
Hawk..

read this...

BAe Hawk*Advanced Trainer / Light Strike - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft

you might find many of your answer here...

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Now folks india has orsered these birds as the advanced jet trainers.I would like to know how are these even in the same league as other trainers as

1)Does it have fly by wire(quadruplex)

2)Does it have a t/w ratio thats good............??

3)Does it have a radar?

4)Is it capable of a high angle of attack

I know that answer to all these questions is no so why did IAF despite other compelling and better trainers like YAK-130 order this??

You asking wrong question. You should ask

Does it offer kick backs? if yes then how much?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Actually IAF is pleased with hawks,they are affordable ,very reliable.Hawks are the trainers of over a dozen airforces around the world including top notch ones such as royal air force,australian air force.US navy trains on aderivative of the hawk modified to carrier ops.I think these proffesionals can judge well for themselves.

 

[he-man]

Actually IAF is pleased with hawks,they are affordable ,very reliable.Hawks are the trainers of over a dozen airforces around the world including top notch ones such as royal air force,australian air force.US navy trains on aderivative of the hawk modified to carrier ops.I think these proffesionals can judge well for themselves.

Now almost all the air forces are going for the lift planes in the future like yak-130 and golden eagle(kai t-50) and chinese hongdu something and if the iaf was so satisfied why try and fir radars now??pls tell

BAE, Elbit to develop advanced capabilities for IAF Hawk trainers - Airforce Technology

pls care to explain??

@he-man

bro..Yak-130 wasn't even produced when India procured Hawk..first Yak-130 entered service in 2009 in RUAF..while India commissioned HAWK in 2008...

now,HAWK is most successful AJT in history..


now lets answer few of your questions...

1)Does it have fly by wire(quadruplex)--nope

2)Does it have a t/w ratio thats good............??--passable..enough to train pilots..

3)Does it have a radar?--nope,cause its not a frontline fighter jet..but it can fire A2A missiles by using radar-equipped mounts...also,HAWK-200 has RADAR(Northrop Grumman APG-66H multi-mode radar)....

4)Is it capable of a high angle of attack--its not aimed to perform this kind of role..its a trainer jet...


look..some of trainer aircrafts can be converted into light attack aircraft,but thats not the role for what IAF chose
Hawk..

read this...

BAe Hawk*Advanced Trainer / Light Strike - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft

you might find many of your answer here...

Now almost all the air forces are going for the lift planes in the future like yak-130 and golden eagle(kai t-50) and chinese hongdu something and if the iaf was so satisfied why try and fir radars now??pls tell

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsbae-elbit-advanced-capabilities-iaf-hawk-trainers

pls care to explain??

 

[he-man]

Now when russia makes something superior u don't buy from them even then??

What sort of politics is this,,,,,,,hawk just is not good enough for advanced training required for pakfa like 5 th generation fighters
Its plain simple,,,,rest is just hogwash

 

[acetophenol]

@he-man: Bro,
IAF was looking for a AJT and they got it. The Hawk as an AJT is not required to have the said qualities like FBW,Radar etc.
And about the LIFT,if we are lucky enough,we may see HAL HJT 39, aka CAT (Combat Air Trainer),based on LCA Trainer in the future.

 

[he-man]

@he-man: Bro,
IAF was looking for a AJT and they got it. The Hawk as an AJT is not required to have the said qualities like FBW,Radar etc.
And about the LIFT,if we are lucky enough,we may see HAL HJT 39, aka CAT (Combat Air Trainer),based on LCA Trainer in the future.

TAHERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF THESE PLANES BRO....ITS JUST A PIPE DREAM

Yes ur points are good but its not gonna happen

My question??

Why not get the best and start retrofitting a plane after purchasing it(in case of hawk) to make it better??
They are trying to fit a radar now!!

@he-man: Bro,
IAF was looking for a AJT and they got it. The Hawk as an AJT is not required to have the said qualities like FBW,Radar etc.
And about the LIFT,if we are lucky enough,we may see HAL HJT 39, aka CAT (Combat Air Trainer),based on LCA Trainer in the future.

pls look at the specs of this?/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15

we have made a mistake as all airforces are going for lift planes now..................our's is simply not one of them

 

[acetophenol]

TAHERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF THESE PLANES BRO....ITS JUST A PIPE DREAM

Yes ur points are good but its not gonna happen

My question??

Why not get the best and start retrofitting a plane after purchasing it(in case of hawk) to make it better??
They are trying to fit a radar now!!



pls look at the specs of this?/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15

we have made a mistake as all airforces are going for lift planes now..................our's is simply not one of them

We will have some other aircraft as a CAT i.e,Combat Air Trainer. Hawk will be our AJT. Hawk is one of the best AJTs in the world,no doubt about that.

 

[BDforever]

@he-man
we are going to have 24 yak 130

 

[he-man]

We will have some other aircraft as a CAT i.e,Combat Air Trainer. Hawk will be our AJT. Hawk is one of the best AJTs in the world,no doubt about that.

wrong........its not,,,,pls compare the specs(it was no doubt!!)

@he-man
we are going to have 24 yak 130

excellent decision.............way way better than hawk

 

[acetophenol]

wrong........its not,,,,pls compare the specs(it was no doubt!!)



excellent decision.............way way better than hawk

The Yak 130 wasn't in service even,when we got the first Hawk. Yak 130 was a newer platform, while Hawk was a tried and tested platform. Had we gone for the Yak then,negotiations and test flights would've taken longer and most probably we will be receiving our first examples by now.

 

[he-man]

The Yak 130 wasn't in service even,when we got the first Hawk. Yak 130 was a newer platform, while Hawk was a tried and tested platform. Had we gone for the Yak then,negotiations and test flights would've taken longer and most probably we will be receiving our first examples by now.

we have got only 24 hawks till now and like 100 more are on order.............we shouls have waited a year or two for a far far better platform,no question about that

poor planning

The Yak 130 wasn't in service even,when we got the first Hawk. Yak 130 was a newer platform, while Hawk was a tried and tested platform. Had we gone for the Yak then,negotiations and test flights would've taken longer and most probably we will be receiving our first examples by now.

more than 40 yak-130 have already been delivered to russian air force and bangladesh is also getting these things

 

[BDforever]

The Yak 130 wasn't in service even,when we got the first Hawk. Yak 130 was a newer platform, while Hawk was a tried and tested platform. Had we gone for the Yak then,negotiations and test flights would've taken longer and most probably we will be receiving our first examples by now.

but bro russia offered you yak-130, even they claimed that to operate PAK-FA type aircraft, you need yak-130. hawk can not fullfill your training demand but indian counter part denied it.