BAE HAWK MK132...........is it even good??

[he-man]

hey noob,read what I've posted.....

everybody knows who is fanboy here..USAF is itself considering Hawk-128 for LIFT program..Hawk itself is a LIFt aircraft..from where you got the idea that its not a LIFT aircraft???now,its look like I've wasted my time..

yup a lift aircraft with

1)no fbw
2)low t/w of .65

yes,,,i get it

hey noob,read what I've posted.....

everybody knows who is fanboy here..USAF is itself considering Hawk-128 for LIFT program..Hawk itself is a LIFt aircraft..from where you got the idea that its not a LIFT aircraft???now,its look like I've wasted my time..

when there are limitations in a platform why don't u admit it??

 

[anant_s]

They will be ordering a variant of kai t50 golden eagle which is a variant of YAK-130......even better,,,same with south korea,russia,switzerland,china etc

Where did you get that from?

KAI T-50 is a project between South Korean company KAI and Lockheed Martin and the project was pushed to develop a trainer for USAF (T-50A) as well.

Development of the T-50 Golden Eagle
The aircraft's development was funded 13% by Lockheed Martin, 17% by Korea Aerospace Industries and 70% by the Government of South Korea. Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is the Republic of Korea's national aerospace company, established in 1999 with the consolidation of Samsung Aerospace, Daewoo Heavy Industries and the Hyundai Space and Aircraft Company. The T-50 was built at the KAI facility in Sachon.

KAI is the prime contractor and is responsible for the design of the fuselage and tail unit. The mid-mounted variable camber wings are manufactured by Lockheed Martin Fort Worth. Lockheed Martin is also responsible for the avionics and electrical flight control system, as well as for general technical consulting.

Lockheed Martin Aeronautical Systems and KAI created the T-50 International Company, known as TFIC, to pursue export markets outside Korea. The aircraft is considered as a candidate for the F-5 replacement market.

T-50 Golden Eagle - Airforce Technology

The future is now. There is a new era in military aviation: the F-22 Raptor and the F-35 Lightning II – the world’s only 5th Generation Fighters. These modern aircraft require pilot skills that current trainers cannot address. The T-50 delivers a total advanced training system that will bridge the gap between basic flight training and high-performance fighters. It is the trainer aircraft that will introduce a new generation of pilots to the power of modern, advanced fighters.

Today’s pilots demand a higher degree of training effectiveness. The T-50 system achieves this through embedded onboard training that allows students to readily grasp the operational training concepts and essence of the pilot/machine interface; before, during and after each flight.

As the leader in 5th Generation Fighter development, Lockheed Martin, in partnership with Korea Aerospace Industries, brings the experience and leadership to support the next generation of pilots.

Lockheed Martin · T-50 Multirole Trainer

YAK 130 is an entirely different project and i don't think it has any relation with T-50.

 

[he-man]

Where did you get that from?

KAI T-50 is an project between South Korean company KAI and Lockheed Martin and the project was pushed to develop a trainer for USAF (T-50A) as well.





T-50 Golden Eagle - Airforce Technology



Lockheed Martin · T-50 Multirole Trainer

YAK 130 is an entirely different project and i don't think it has any relation with T-50.

The shaping and all i meant............anyways its even better than yak-130.............that was the point

Where did you get that from?

KAI T-50 is an project between South Korean company KAI and Lockheed Martin and the project was pushed to develop a trainer for USAF (T-50A) as well.





T-50 Golden Eagle - Airforce Technology



Lockheed Martin · T-50 Multirole Trainer

YAK 130 is an entirely different project and i don't think it has any relation with T-50.

i meant m-346 which was developed as a partnership with yak for italian air force,singapore air force,,israeli air force
its even part of competition for american contract

The specs are amazing and it came into being in 2012!!!

 

[GR!FF!N]

yup a lift aircraft with

1)no fbw
2)low t/w of .65

yes,,,i get it



when there are limitations in a platform why don't u admit it??

so,atleast you admit its a LIFT aircraft,right????thanx for that..well,I already told you it was best out there at that time..now,as I already told you aour LIFT program is devided into two parts,i don't see any problem here..moderate T/W ratio doesn't mean you can train pilots in there...FYI,Yak-130's T/W is .78,not too powerful..also,all of the later LIFT trainers are way too costly than Hawk..plus as we upgrade Hawk,it'll be comparable with Yak-130..

 

[he-man]

so,atleast you admit its a LIFT aircraft,right????thanx for that..well,I already told you it was best out there at that time..now,as I already told you aour LIFT program is devided into two parts,i don't see any problem here..moderate T/W ratio doesn't mean you can train pilots in there...FYI,Yak-130's T/W is .78,not too powerful..also,all of the later LIFT trainers are way too costly than Hawk..plus as we upgrade Hawk,it'll be comparable with Yak-130..

U have some good points but my contention is only about new orders from 2010 onwards

I do realize that hawk is a good platform but considering the big limitations it was prudent to look at the future
It may be fault of defence ministry for cost cutting,,,,who knows,but surely it was not a very wise decision.

I am not saying that hawk will produce bad pilots,not at all..........but we must shop wisely and have keen eye on all oem's and we are making mistakes time and again.peace

so,atleast you admit its a LIFT aircraft,right????thanx for that..well,I already told you it was best out there at that time..now,as I already told you aour LIFT program is devided into two parts,i don't see any problem here..moderate T/W ratio doesn't mean you can train pilots in there...FYI,Yak-130's T/W is .78,not too powerful..also,all of the later LIFT trainers are way too costly than Hawk..plus as we upgrade Hawk,it'll be comparable with Yak-130..

BTW with full load t/w of hawk is .45

actually this is way too better than even yak.................produced jointly by russia and italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alenia_Aermacchi_M-346_Master

excellent features and supersonic too

 

[GR!FF!N]

U have some good points but my contention is only about new orders from 2010 onwards

I do realize that hawk is a good platform but considering the big limitations it was prudent to look at the future
It may be fault of defence ministry for cost cutting,,,,who knows,but surely it was not a very wise decision.

I am not saying that hawk will produce bad pilots,not at all..........but we must shop wisely and have keen eye on all oem's and we are making mistakes time and again.peace



BTW with full load t/w of hawk is .45

actually this is way too better than even yak.................produced jointly by russia and italy

Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

excellent features and supersonic too

supersonic isn't what IAF wanted..remember,we had Mig-21 once..but it was one hell of a dangerous aircraft inthe hand of new pilots..a lot of clashes was attributed on speed..so,IAF didn't want supersonic trainer in AJT phase..they want what new pilots could fly safely..yup,Hawk wasn't exactly made for frontline or even light attack role,thats why it lacks speed as well as some new features which T-50 or yak-130 has..but what do you expect,its a 70's aircraft..but yet,its highly reliable in the hands of new pilots..IAF's doctrine is what it matters,not aircraft specification..India could go for any aircraft it wanted..but its IAF's turf,their rules..and as per reports,its serving greatly..yes,spare is somewhat a problem,but its more like IAF's inefficiency to blame..also,its failure of BAE,which led to fined them by MOD...

India signed 59 mil pound deal with them,but still spare problem exists..

 

[he-man]

supersonic isn't what IAF wanted..remember,we had Mig-21 once..but it was one hell of a dangerous aircraft inthe hand of new pilots..a lot of clashes was attributed on speed..so,IAF didn't want supersonic trainer in AJT phase..they want what new pilots could fly safely..yup,Hawk wasn't exactly made for frontline or even light attack role,thats why it lacks speed as well as some new features which T-50 or yak-130 has..but what do you expect,its a 70's aircraft..but yet,its highly reliable in the hands of new pilots..IAF's doctrine is what it matters,not aircraft specification..India could go for any aircraft it wanted..but its IAF's turf,their rules..and as per reports,its serving greatly..yes,spare is somewhat a problem,but its more like IAF's inefficiency to blame..also,its failure of BAE,which led to fined them by MOD...

India signed 59 mil pound deal with them,but still spare problem exists..

For the missing parts HAL is responsible but buddy all the people are saying that once we get fgfa we need better lift aircraft having higher performance and soon enough in 5-6 years we may have a deal on this.Hal has fucked up everything ,read this

Aerospace Diary: Indian Hawk Program Under Fire For Delays

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Now when russia makes something superior u don't buy from them even then??

What sort of politics is this,,,,,,,hawk just is not good enough for advanced training required for pakfa like 5 th generation fighters
Its plain simple,,,,rest is just hogwash

The thing is mate that when IAF needed yak-130 it was not ready,now IAF has hawks in number and doesn't want to diversify fleet even more up introducing another aircraft type.Logistics nightmare and also cost will go up in setting up infrastructure.Thats why IAF opts for hawk.Commonality and cost.
What do u want IAF to do ,throw away all the existing hawks and get a new type?Simple yak-130 was too little too late.
As for LIFT trainer i'm hearing tejas mk1 will have role of lift trainer.

 

[he-man]

The thing is mate that when IAF needed yak-130 it was not ready,now IAF has hawks in number and doesn't want to diversify fleet even more up introducing another aircraft type.Logistics nightmare and also cost will go up in setting up infrastructure.Thats why IAF opts for hawk.Commonality and cost.
What do u want IAF to do ,throw away all the existing hawks and get a new type?Simple yak-130 was too little too late.
As for LIFT trainer i'm hearing tejas mk1 will have role of lift trainer.

I have heard that too........sad story of tejas

 

[he-man]

@Omega007

Is this topic useless too

Oh wait..........i am actually bashing govt here!!