Babur and Phalcon ?

[Storm Force]

The phalcon AWACS is recognised as the most advanced and expensive system in the world.

IT TRACKS 100 TARGETS at the same time and range of tracking is 400km. DESIGNED and acquired to surpess CRUISE MISSLE STRIKES the phalcon has a phassed array AESA radar that processes data at 2 seconds intervals rather tham 20 seconds on all other AWACS including the E3 sentry saab etc who all use mechanical scanning attenas.

The other massive feature is PHALCON OPERATES with out GCC. unlikethe saab with PAF WHICH HAS TO SEND THE INFO to GCC first.

BUTS THATS WHY PHALCN COSTS $350M each

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At least india has multiple sam systems in place or on order to surpress PAK STRIKES

what does pak have to stop super sonic & hyper sonic brahmos

a few batteries on old ANZAS pak has no defense at all

 

[somebozo]

there is also the possibility of over whelming indian air defence by launching several hundred baburs at the same time..some will be taken down but many will read their target..you dont expect a sam to shoot down 500 air borne cruise missles at the same time with 100% accuracy..The air defence is more suitable for once in a while rouge missles..like 5 amerian tomahawks launched to target Afganistan which instead fell inside Pakistan.

Also malfunction of cruise missile cannot be ruled out. Another way of deflecting a cruise missle is to use strong ground base GPS jammers. A missle cannot navigate without GPS signals if they are not available thats why all creditable missles use multiple guidance systems in addition to GPS!

The phalcon AWACS is recognised as the most advanced and expensive system in the world.

IT TRACKS 100 TARGETS at the same time and range of tracking is 400km. DESIGNED and acquired to surpess CRUISE MISSLE STRIKES the phalcon has a phassed array AESA radar that processes data at 2 seconds intervals rather tham 20 seconds on all other AWACS including the E3 sentry saab etc who all use mechanical scanning attenas.

The other massive feature is PHALCON OPERATES with out GCC. unlikethe saab with PAF WHICH HAS TO SEND THE INFO to GCC first.

BUTS THATS WHY PHALCN COSTS $350M each

---------- Post added at 06:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:49 PM ----------

At least india has multiple sam systems in place or on order to surpress PAK STRIKES

what does pak have to stop super sonic & hyper sonic brahmos

a few batteries on old ANZAS pak has no defense at all

So you are arguing that phalcon scanning power and 2s intervel is good enough to protect India against cruise missiles? How exactly will these phalcons destroy cruise missle mid air without a good attack system based on ground??

And you conflict your challenge by your own words..what ground system will be used by India to counter these missles?? Also, overwhelming the India defenses by launching 500 missiles at a time is very much a possibility!

 

[GURU DUTT]

there is also the possibility of over whelming indian air defence by launching several hundred baburs at the same time..some will be taken down but many will read their target..you dont expect a sam to shoot down 500 air borne cruise missles at the same time with 100% accuracy..The air defence is more suitable for once in a while rouge missles..like 5 amerian tomahawks launched to target Afganistan which instead fell inside Pakistan.

My Dear Respected Sir!!!! Why do you think that pakistan will be able to launch 100's of baburs at the same time & even if they do so as soon as they leave there silos theyl be picked by indan radars & do you think india will sit quitly as soon as it sees 100's of Babur missiles coming towards it do you know how much time your missiles will take in reaching to there targets & what time it will take indias main missiles(Bramose & shourya) to reach its target ,Thanks,kindly di answer Thanks Again .

 

[Luftwaffe]

somebozo and gurudutt, read post # 66. Guru it is not easy, its is not sci-fi movie. United States has a complete Project for Cruise Missiles Defenses alone dedicated to detect, trace, track and intercept destroy. According to US it is a daunting difficult task which requires dedicated teams money and time and ofcouse technology. I am giving you example of US because their research institutes are taking CMs potentially dangerous element in attacking and destroying home land. There have been numerous research papers published. india and Pakistan currently lacks the advanced systems state of the art Real-Time Integrated Battle Management Systems in-time both countries will have them covering larger areas connected but it is too early both are in progress working on it. Shourya will be same as Babur and Tomahawk. Yes 100 Babur can cause havoc phalcons can only do so much if you read my post #66 you will understand how things work.

It would be unsually foolish of Pakistan to develop BMs and CMs and neglect SAMs don't you think a country that is investing in BMs and CMs also might have invested in SAM Systems of High and Low altitudes, lets look it this way its a network of web spread across Areas a surprise.
SPADA 2000 and HQ-18 two potential SAM Systems with SPADA 2000 being medium range interceptor where as HQ-18 you can research but its potentially on the table.

 

[Hulk]

there is also the possibility of over whelming indian air defence by launching several hundred baburs at the same time..some will be taken down but many will read their target..you dont expect a sam to shoot down 500 air borne cruise missles at the same time with 100% accuracy..The air defence is more suitable for once in a while rouge missles..like 5 amerian tomahawks launched to target Afganistan which instead fell inside Pakistan.

Also malfunction of cruise missile cannot be ruled out. Another way of deflecting a cruise missle is to use strong ground base GPS jammers. A missle cannot navigate without GPS signals if they are not available thats why all creditable missles use multiple guidance systems in addition to GPS!



So you are arguing that phalcon scanning power and 2s intervel is good enough to protect India against cruise missiles? How exactly will these phalcons destroy cruise missle mid air without a good attack system based on ground??

And you conflict your challenge by your own words..what ground system will be used by India to counter these missles?? Also, overwhelming the India defenses by launching 500 missiles at a time is very much a possibility!

500 CM, do you guys think that missiles are unlimited? In all previous war even US never fired 500 missiles. Max you fire 3 to 4 at a time.

 

[bubble123]

Hmm if a tomahwak costs a million bucks its easy to assum babur costs 1/3.

So that would be Rs 3 million.

So a thousands missile would cost surprisingly just 3 billion rupees not even a price of a single F-16.

So we can safely assume that Pakistan probably has inventory in excess of 10,000.

 

[regular]

Hmm if a tomahwak costs a million bucks its easy to assum babur costs 1/3.

So that would be Rs 3 million.

So a thousands missile would cost surprisingly just 3 billion rupees not even a price of a single F-16.

So we can safely assume that Pakistan probably has inventory in excess of 10,000.

No! I guess we dont have inventory of 10,000 its too much ...yea we might have inventory between 2000 to 3000 missiles at most.....with at least 200 to 300 Nuklear tipped.....

 

[somebozo]

Not to mention the patriot air defence batteries have failed on numerous occasions over minor glitches!

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Hmm if a tomahwak costs a million bucks its easy to assum babur costs 1/3.

So that would be Rs 3 million.

So a thousands missile would cost surprisingly just 3 billion rupees not even a price of a single F-16.

So we can safely assume that Pakistan probably has inventory in excess of 10,000.

tsk......tsk.......poor maths.

cost of babur = 333333 .......u said 1/3 of 1 million $

cost of 1000 baburs = 333333* 1000 = 333333000 = 333333000/1000000 million= 333.333 million $

cost of 10000 baburs = 3.333333 billion $

by the way how many baburs do you produce per year

how many years did it take you guys to produce 10000 baburs

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

No! I guess we dont have inventory of 10,000 its too much ...yea we might have inventory between 2000 to 3000 missiles at most.....with at least 200 to 300 Nuklear tipped.....

so you have 300 nuclear tipped baburs.

what about ballistic missile

how many nuclear tipped ballistic missiles do u have


i mean what is the total number of nuclear weapons

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

kuch bhi phekaneka




yar itni lambi lambi chod rahe ho.

you guys have made a virtual gas chamber over here


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[foxbat]

Hmm if a tomahwak costs a million bucks its easy to assum babur costs 1/3.

So that would be Rs 3 million.

So a thousands missile would cost surprisingly just 3 billion rupees not even a price of a single F-16.

So we can safely assume that Pakistan probably has inventory in excess of 10,000.

assuming babur = 1/3 of tomahawk, 10,000 Baburs will be approx 3.5 billions USD.. Whats the annual defence budget of Pakistan again?

 

[Bratva]

are you all right? Saab AWACS uses AESA and it doesnot have mechincal scanning.

 

[bubble123]

Oh mannnnnnn math has never been my strong subject thks for correction guyz.

So now we can again calculate.

we will assume 1 tomahawk= 3 baburs

so if in 1 billion dollars 1000 tomahawks can be produced so 3000 baburs should be produced.

assuming we are spending 30 billion on CMs per year that would be 1000 baburs per year.

and we first tested it in 2005 so serial production should have started a while back.

so our present inventory should be around 3000 missiles.

Damn These are so expensive. I wish our army would spend more on those Chinese A-100s.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Babur does have TERCOM, it is low flying, it is sub sonic and fairly silent.... but there is nothing other then that in terms of airframe to suggest that it is stealth optimized from all aspects.

the TERCOM should help it avoid detection from ground radars, that I am certain of, IF there is use of RAM, IR reduction features, stealthy airframe, it would buy it some valuable distance before detection, but I think for AWACS, Babur is detectable, obviously with difficulty, but it is detectable.