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[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311218891910082560

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311306758367842306

 

[denel]

Question why wouldn't they be motivated to retake their land back?

They would be if their leader and his appointed minions across entire mafia structure were based on merit. This is one of the most corrupt countries; for decades aliev and his entourage horded up wealth. There is nothing you can do without giving his family a cut of the pie.

 

[TNT]

Very accurate and succint summary of the Durand Line. I hope this post puts this question to rest.

By the way, I am pretty sure Taliban will recognize Durand Line after taking Kabul. The reason why Taliban did not recognize it before (altho they never had any issue with Pakistan) is that they view Afghanistan and Pakistan as one country, and they even pushed for merger too during their previous rule. Pakistan had started discussions with them, but then US invaded...

You are right brother. Taliban before 911 had only gotten control of kabul few years ago, the north was still under northern alliance when 911 hapenned. So the taliban never had a stable govt to look into foreign affairs and historical issue. Taliban informally recognizes the durand line, heck it was the durand line that saved them and provided them safety and depth. The taliban once in stable govt would certainly recognize durand line as official border. Afghanistan will join CPEC and to enable work and transitions, durand line have to be accepted as official border. I personally think of durand line as an almost non issue and we should focus on peace and stability in Afghanistan first.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

International law, hmm, where was international law when US attacked Iraq. Where is international law, when kashmir is occupied. Its not like that buddy. Why is china occupying ladakh, because it shows the old maps. I can show you an old map of Afghanistan, where NWFP was part of Afghanistan, will you cede it to Afghanistan if they ask, if the world acted on what Pakistani thing, then wars would never happen. Maybe if 62, if a country had courage, we would have kashmir, rather than talking about an invisible line. Yah, on another note, shaksgam valley was part of Pakistan, why did they give it to china. I mean, Pakistan, talks about durand line, but has no problem giving away free land to china. Maybe because angering a stronger state was not on the army menu.

You are conflating two different things. Legality under international law and might is right.

When it comes to Afghanistan and KP, Pakistan has both international law and the military might in its favor, so the anti-Pakistan Afghans can stick to whining, crying and begging India & the US to help them against Pakistan.

On the subject of J&K, Pakistan’s position is supported by the UNSC resolutions but militarily neither India nor Pakistan can currently change the status quo.

With respect to Shaksgam, you’re completely wrong and need to read the following thread - Pakistan gained territory, it did not cede territory to China.

Did Pakistan Cede the Territory of Shaksgam to China?

Did Pakistan cede Kashmiri Territory of Shaksgam valley to China? Debunking propaganda from a laymen's perspective Myth: Pakistan ceded the Trans-Karakoram tract or Shaksgam valley to China in the Trans-Karakoram pact thus showing utter disregard for Kashmiri sovereignty or its own sovereignty...

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[ummarz]

Are Pakistani Forces Involved In This Conflict!?

Short answer: No

We recently saw some propaganda that made to show us some "intercepted call", hinting at involvement of Pakistani soldiers on the side of Azerbaijan. This has raised a few concerns among our members here. Most likely it is simply propaganda.

Why?

1: Azerbaijan has enough man power to deal with this threat on their own. They don't need any mercenary soldiers at this stage, and Pakistanis would be wiser than to be cannon fodder at this stage of war.
2: Azerbaijan knows that land well, they know how things work there. It would be unwise of us to think that somehow Pakistanis can fight better in their land than those who belong to that region. Hence they don't need us. At least not at this stage anyways.
3: It would be nearly impossible for Azerbaijan to manage a company of foreign speaking soldiers, with different tactics and doctrines. It would be nearly impossible for a Pakistani company to manage itself there trying to coordinate with the Azerbaijanis, especially in the midst of a conflict, when nothing goes according to plan.
4: Pakistani command will not be fluent with the logistics, and predictions, of the Azeri forces.

Are Pakistani Observers Present In This Conflict?

Short answer: High possibility

Pakistan is and has always been involved in conflicts, on the side of justice, where people have been oppressed. Pakistan's policy, like our ancestors has always been of justice. If needed we don't shy away from shedding our own blood, for the rights of others. From conflicts in Bosnia, to the middle eastern wars. We have always done what we can. So it goes without saying that if Pakistani officers and observers weren't present on day one, they are now. They will be learning from this conflict, and incorporating those findings into Pakistan armed forces.

But, its important to understand that in this particular conflict, we are not much of help at this very stage. Especially when Turkey is already present there. The best we can do, is voice our support. Learn from our Azeri brothers. And hold our horses.

 

[TNT]

Don't teach me history. I have read from magnaten to second anglo afghan war. The emirs signed it with the British not with Pakistani. So did the Chinese with the British, not Pakistan. Why did Pakistan drew the borders again with Pakistan, when they should have accepted what British gave them. I don't like to play game, straight to the point, now the ball is in your court. The problem is with Pakistani hypocrisy, on one side, Afghanistan, you are saying British did this and British drew this line and that. But on the other hand, the same British line didn't come into play when shaksgam valley was given to china. I mean come on, dhul jhonkna koi pakistaniyo sae sikae. Advisor one should forget the informal language at the top of para, its for the other guy.

And yet its u trying to twist my history and portray a misleading image. Have u read how umrao khan fought with kabul lashkars? Have u read about the massacre of Afghanistan lashkar at the hands paahtuns of bajaur? Have u read about the relations between mughals and pashtuns of east vs people of kabul? Do u know turkic mughals took Afghanistan and then india but never took over the pashtun areas east of durand line?
Pashtuns of KP have always been independent and if we accepted it as a border then who r u to say otherwise? History cannot be seen as black and white, it only shows u actually know nothing. British drawn borders were always taken as reference, we also respect the british line of giving wakhan corridor to Afghanistan, we could have taken it by force but didnt. The borders with china and Pakistan are high mountains and never peoperly surveyed by british. Also PRC was a new power at the time and therefore demarcation had to be done. Durandline demarcation had been done long ago, and it was accepted by Afghanistan, there have not been stable govt for long in Afghanistan to solve the issue. Its just been a rhetoric used first by commies and now indian puppets. Once peace returns to Afghanistan and there is a stable govt, this line will be officially accepted as international border.
Now stop derailing the topic of the thread with ur nonsense.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

US media :
Armenia and Azerbaijan clash over disputed region -

Russian media:
Renewed Azerbaijan/Armenia conflict a new threat

Indian media:
Pakistani army fighting Armenia on behalf of Azerbaijan

THE Indian OBSESSION with Pakistan CONTINUES......

 

[hussain0216]

4 Su-30. About 100 TB2. You must realize. TB2 has no air to air capability at all.

Yeah but that's why Azerbaijan also has a Airforce, to keep the Armenians at bay whilst their drones kick ***

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

You are right brother. Taliban before 911 had only gotten control of kabul few years ago, the north was still under northern alliance when 911 hapenned. So the taliban never had a stable govt to look into foreign affairs and historical issue. Taliban informally recognizes the durand line, heck it was the durand line that saved them and provided them safety and depth. The taliban once in stable govt would certainly recognize durand line as official border. Afghanistan will join CPEC and to enable work and transitions, durand line have to be accepted as official border. I personally think of durand line as an almost non issue and we should focus on peace and stability in Afghanistan first.

Ahmad Shah Abdali is a very important personality in the historical development of both Pakistan and Afghanistan. The modern borders of both Afghanistan and Pakistan correspond exactly with the Durrani empire.

What Afghan nationalists do not realize is that the Durrani empire was not only an Afghan empire but a Pakistani one as well. Even one of our famous missiles is named after him. He is revered in Pakistan just as much as Afghanistan.

Anyway, secular Afghan nationalism is dead, it lead to Afghans becoming puppets of the British, Russians, Americans, Iranians, and Indians. It never helped Afghanistan flourish as a nation.

Taliban is here to stay, and ties with Pakistan are only going to improve from now.

With that, let us get back to the topic.

Are Pakistani Forces Involved In This Conflict!?

Short answer: No

We recently saw some propaganda that, made to show us some "intercepted call", hinting at involvement of Pakistani soldiers on the side of Azerbaijan. This has raised a few concerns among our members here. Most likely it is simply propaganda.

Why?

1: Azerbaijan has enough man power to deal with this threat on their own. They don't need any mercenary soldiers at this stage, and Pakistanis would be wiser than to be cannon fodder at this stage of war.
2: Azerbaijan knows that land well, they know how things work there. It would be unwise of us to think that somehow, Pakistanis can fight better there than those who belong to that region. Hence they don't need us. At least not at this stage anyways.
3: It would be nearly impossible for Azerbaijan to manage a company of foreign speaking soldiers, with different tactics and doctrines. It would be nearly impossible for a Pakistani company to manage itself there trying to coordinate with the Azerbaijanis, especially in the midst of a conflict, when nothing goes according to plan.
4: Pakistani command will not be fluent with the logistics, and predictions, of the Azeri forces.

Are Pakistani Observers Present In This Conflict?

Short answer: High possibility

Pakistan is and has always been involved in conflicts, on the side of justice, where people have been oppressed. Pakistan's policy, like our ancestors has always been of justice. If needed we don't shy away from shedding our own blood, for the rights of others. From conflicts in Bosnia, to the middle eastern wars. We have always done what we can. So it goes without saying that if Pakistani officers and observers weren't present on day one, they are now. They will be learning from this conflict, and incorporating those findings into Pakistan armed forces.

But, its important to understand that in this particular conflict, we are not much of help at this very stage. Especially when Turkey is already present there. The best we can do, is voice our support. Learn from our Azeri brothers. And hold our horses.

Very sensible post. Thanks for posting.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

US media :
Armenia and Azerbaijan clash over disputed region -

Russian media:
Renewed Azerbaijan/Armenia conflict a new threat

Indian media:
Pakistani army fighting Armenia on behalf of Azerbaijan

THE Indian OBSESSION with Pakistan CONTINUES......

Just report any Indian trolls who post nonsense and lies on these serious topics.

if they keep going, tag a mod. In sha Allah, it will get dealt with.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1311306758367842306

Why are you posting Indian propaganda here?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Yeah but that's why Azerbaijan also has a Airforce, to keep the Armenians at bay whilst their drones kick ***

Are you kidding me? Azerbaijan has a dozen MiG-29 on paper. These are 1980s planes. It's doubtful any of them can still fly. On the other hand, Armenia's Su-30SM are brand new, delivered only last year, and have way more advanced electronics and R-77 active BVR missiles. Each Su-30SM can simultaneously engage and destroy multiple 1980s MiG-29 without MiG-29 coming into range to use R-27. Azerbaijan MiG-29 is on par with F-18A. Armenia Su-30SM is on par with F-15E. It's not even close.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Merger of Afghanistan with Pakistan is inevitable. It may take another 100 years though. Historically and throughout 1000s of years of ancient history, the area that is now Pakistan and Afghanistan was always one nation.

Alhamdulilah, I believe the same brother. Afghans deserve a future, a secure state, and the right to life. In sha Allah, we as Pakistanis can help Afghanistan mature as our brotherly nation, become economically sound, and in future merge with us to form a new power in Asia.

Allama Iqbal said, translation follows, "Asia is a body, and Afghanistan is its heart."

 

[hussain0216]

Are you kidding me? Azerbaijan has a dozen MiG-29 on paper. These are 1980s planes. It's doubtful any of them can still fly. On the other hand, Armenia's Su-30SM are brand new, delivered only last year, and have way more advanced electronics and R-77 active BVR missiles. Each Su-30SM can simultaneously engage and destroy multiple 1980s MiG-29 without MiG-29 coming into range to use R-27. Azerbaijan MiG-29 is on par with F-18A. Armenia Su-30SM is on par with F-15E. It's not even close.

If they only got them.last year, it's doubtful that their have reached competent levels of flying ability and experience

With possibly hundreds of drones no wonder Armenians are being hit hard