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nope. its one of the contenders for the indian attack helicopter bid. not selected yet
AW129 Multi-Role Combat Helicopter, Italy ! a replacement of COBRA's?
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nope. its one of the contenders for the indian attack helicopter bid. not selected yet
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Here are a few of the world's leading attack helicopters:
Bell AH-1Z Viper
The Bell AH-1Z Viper (also called "SuperCobra") is a twin-engine attack helicopter based on the AH-1W SuperCobra, that was developed for the United States Marine Corps. The AH-1Z features a four-blade, bearingless, composite main rotor system, uprated transmission, and a new target sighting system.
Mil Mi-24/35 Hind
The Mil Mi-24 (Cyrillic Миль Ми-24, NATO reporting name "Hind") is a large helicopter gunship and low-capacity troop transport produced by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and operated from 1972 by the Soviet Air Force, its successors, and over thirty other nations.
In NATO circles the export versions, Mi-25 and Mi-35, are simply denoted with a letter suffix as "Hind D" and "Hind E" respectively. Soviet pilots called the aircraft летающий танк (letayushchiy tank, flying tank). More common unofficial nicknames were Крокодил (Krokodil, Crocodile), due to the helicopter's new camouflage scheme [1] and Стакан (Stakan, Glass), because of the flat glass plates which surrounded the three place cockpit of the Hind A version.
Kamov Ka-52 Hokum-B
During the late-1990s, Kamov and Israeli Air Industries developed a tandem-seat cockpit version, the Kamov Ka-50-2 Erdogan (Turkish for "Born Warrior"), to compete in Turkey's attack helicopter competition. Kamov later designed another two-seat variant, the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: "Hokum B").
Mil Mi-28 Havoc
The Mil Mi-28 (NATO reporting name "Havoc") is a Russian all-weather day-night military tandem two-seat anti-armour attack helicopter. It is a dedicated attack helicopter with no intended secondary transport capability, better optimized than the Mil Mi-24 for the anti-tank role. It carries a single gun in an undernose barbette, plus external loads carried on pylons beneath stub wings.
Mi-28N/MMW Havoc - All weather day-and-night combat helicopter. It is equipped with a top-mounted millimeter wave radar station, IR-TV, and laser ranger. Serial Mi-28N will have two TV3-117V MA-SB3 engines (2500 hp each), made by the Ukrainian Motor-Sich. Max take off weight of 11500 kg, max payload weight of 2350 kg.
AH-64 Apache
The AH-64 Apache is an all-weather day-night military attack helicopter with a four-bladed main and tail rotor and a crew of two pilots who sit in tandem. The main fixed armament is a 30 mm M230 Chain Gun under the aircraft's nose. It can also carry a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire and Hydra 70 rocket pods on four hard points mounted on its stub-wing pylons. The AH-64 is the principal attack helicopter of the United States Army, and a successor to the AH-1 Cobra.
The Apache was designed by Hughes Helicopters in response to the Army's Advanced Attack Helicopter program. McDonnell Douglas purchased Hughes Helicopters and continued the development of the AH-64 resulting in the AH-64D Apache Longbow which is currently produced by Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. United States Army AH-64s have been in action in Panama, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Agusta A129 Mangusta
The Agusta A129 Mangusta (Mongoose) (AW129 from June 2007) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Agusta (part of AgustaWestland) of Italy. It is the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. A developed version, the T129, will be produced in Turkey by TAI for the Turkish Army.
Eurocopter Tiger
The Eurocopter Tiger (company designation EC 665) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Eurocopter. In Germany it is known as the Tiger; in France and Spain it is called the Tigre.
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk
The Denel AH-2 Rooivalk (previously designated CSH-2) is a modern attack helicopter manufactured by Denel Aerospace Systems of South Africa. Rooivalk is Afrikaans for "Red Kestrel".[2]
The South African Air Force (SAAF) has ordered 12 Rooivalk AH-2As, the first of which entered service in July 1999. The helicopters are flown by 16 Squadron, which is based at AFB Bloemspruit near Bloemfontein.
Bell AH-1Z Viper
The Bell AH-1Z Viper (also called "SuperCobra") is a twin-engine attack helicopter based on the AH-1W SuperCobra, that was developed for the United States Marine Corps. The AH-1Z features a four-blade, bearingless, composite main rotor system, uprated transmission, and a new target sighting system.
Mil Mi-24/35 Hind
The Mil Mi-24 (Cyrillic Миль Ми-24, NATO reporting name "Hind") is a large helicopter gunship and low-capacity troop transport produced by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and operated from 1972 by the Soviet Air Force, its successors, and over thirty other nations.
In NATO circles the export versions, Mi-25 and Mi-35, are simply denoted with a letter suffix as "Hind D" and "Hind E" respectively. Soviet pilots called the aircraft летающий танк (letayushchiy tank, flying tank). More common unofficial nicknames were Крокодил (Krokodil, Crocodile), due to the helicopter's new camouflage scheme [1] and Стакан (Stakan, Glass), because of the flat glass plates which surrounded the three place cockpit of the Hind A version.
Kamov Ka-52 Hokum-B
During the late-1990s, Kamov and Israeli Air Industries developed a tandem-seat cockpit version, the Kamov Ka-50-2 Erdogan (Turkish for "Born Warrior"), to compete in Turkey's attack helicopter competition. Kamov later designed another two-seat variant, the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: "Hokum B").
Mil Mi-28 Havoc
The Mil Mi-28 (NATO reporting name "Havoc") is a Russian all-weather day-night military tandem two-seat anti-armour attack helicopter. It is a dedicated attack helicopter with no intended secondary transport capability, better optimized than the Mil Mi-24 for the anti-tank role. It carries a single gun in an undernose barbette, plus external loads carried on pylons beneath stub wings.
Mi-28N/MMW Havoc - All weather day-and-night combat helicopter. It is equipped with a top-mounted millimeter wave radar station, IR-TV, and laser ranger. Serial Mi-28N will have two TV3-117V MA-SB3 engines (2500 hp each), made by the Ukrainian Motor-Sich. Max take off weight of 11500 kg, max payload weight of 2350 kg.
AH-64 Apache
The AH-64 Apache is an all-weather day-night military attack helicopter with a four-bladed main and tail rotor and a crew of two pilots who sit in tandem. The main fixed armament is a 30 mm M230 Chain Gun under the aircraft's nose. It can also carry a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire and Hydra 70 rocket pods on four hard points mounted on its stub-wing pylons. The AH-64 is the principal attack helicopter of the United States Army, and a successor to the AH-1 Cobra.
The Apache was designed by Hughes Helicopters in response to the Army's Advanced Attack Helicopter program. McDonnell Douglas purchased Hughes Helicopters and continued the development of the AH-64 resulting in the AH-64D Apache Longbow which is currently produced by Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. United States Army AH-64s have been in action in Panama, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Agusta A129 Mangusta
The Agusta A129 Mangusta (Mongoose) (AW129 from June 2007) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Agusta (part of AgustaWestland) of Italy. It is the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. A developed version, the T129, will be produced in Turkey by TAI for the Turkish Army.
Eurocopter Tiger
The Eurocopter Tiger (company designation EC 665) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Eurocopter. In Germany it is known as the Tiger; in France and Spain it is called the Tigre.
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk
The Denel AH-2 Rooivalk (previously designated CSH-2) is a modern attack helicopter manufactured by Denel Aerospace Systems of South Africa. Rooivalk is Afrikaans for "Red Kestrel".[2]
The South African Air Force (SAAF) has ordered 12 Rooivalk AH-2As, the first of which entered service in July 1999. The helicopters are flown by 16 Squadron, which is based at AFB Bloemspruit near Bloemfontein.
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Here are a few of the world's leading attack helicopters:
Bell AH-1Z Viper
The Bell AH-1Z Viper (also called "SuperCobra") is a twin-engine attack helicopter based on the AH-1W SuperCobra, that was developed for the United States Marine Corps. The AH-1Z features a four-blade, bearingless, composite main rotor system, uprated transmission, and a new target sighting system.
Mil Mi-24/35 Hind
The Mil Mi-24 (Cyrillic Миль Ми-24, NATO reporting name "Hind") is a large helicopter gunship and low-capacity troop transport produced by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and operated from 1972 by the Soviet Air Force, its successors, and over thirty other nations.
In NATO circles the export versions, Mi-25 and Mi-35, are simply denoted with a letter suffix as "Hind D" and "Hind E" respectively. Soviet pilots called the aircraft летающий танк (letayushchiy tank, flying tank). More common unofficial nicknames were Крокодил (Krokodil, Crocodile), due to the helicopter's new camouflage scheme [1] and Стакан (Stakan, Glass), because of the flat glass plates which surrounded the three place cockpit of the Hind A version.
Kamov Ka-52 Hokum-B
During the late-1990s, Kamov and Israeli Air Industries developed a tandem-seat cockpit version, the Kamov Ka-50-2 Erdogan (Turkish for "Born Warrior"), to compete in Turkey's attack helicopter competition. Kamov later designed another two-seat variant, the Kamov Ka-52 Alligator (NATO reporting name: "Hokum B").
Mil Mi-28 Havoc
The Mil Mi-28 (NATO reporting name "Havoc") is a Russian all-weather day-night military tandem two-seat anti-armour attack helicopter. It is a dedicated attack helicopter with no intended secondary transport capability, better optimized than the Mil Mi-24 for the anti-tank role. It carries a single gun in an undernose barbette, plus external loads carried on pylons beneath stub wings.
Mi-28N/MMW Havoc - All weather day-and-night combat helicopter. It is equipped with a top-mounted millimeter wave radar station, IR-TV, and laser ranger. Serial Mi-28N will have two TV3-117V MA-SB3 engines (2500 hp each), made by the Ukrainian Motor-Sich. Max take off weight of 11500 kg, max payload weight of 2350 kg.
AH-64 Apache
The AH-64 Apache is an all-weather day-night military attack helicopter with a four-bladed main and tail rotor and a crew of two pilots who sit in tandem. The main fixed armament is a 30 mm M230 Chain Gun under the aircraft's nose. It can also carry a mixture of AGM-114 Hellfire and Hydra 70 rocket pods on four hard points mounted on its stub-wing pylons. The AH-64 is the principal attack helicopter of the United States Army, and a successor to the AH-1 Cobra.
The Apache was designed by Hughes Helicopters in response to the Army's Advanced Attack Helicopter program. McDonnell Douglas purchased Hughes Helicopters and continued the development of the AH-64 resulting in the AH-64D Apache Longbow which is currently produced by Boeing Integrated Defense Systems. United States Army AH-64s have been in action in Panama, Gulf War, Afghanistan, and Iraq.
Agusta A129 Mangusta
The Agusta A129 Mangusta (Mongoose) (AW129 from June 2007) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Agusta (part of AgustaWestland) of Italy. It is the first attack helicopter to be designed and produced wholly in Western Europe. A developed version, the T129, will be produced in Turkey by TAI for the Turkish Army.
Eurocopter Tiger
The Eurocopter Tiger (company designation EC 665) is an attack helicopter manufactured by Eurocopter. In Germany it is known as the Tiger; in France and Spain it is called the Tigre.
Denel AH-2 Rooivalk
The Denel AH-2 Rooivalk (previously designated CSH-2) is a modern attack helicopter manufactured by Denel Aerospace Systems of South Africa. Rooivalk is Afrikaans for "Red Kestrel".[2]
The South African Air Force (SAAF) has ordered 12 Rooivalk AH-2As, the first of which entered service in July 1999. The helicopters are flown by 16 Squadron, which is based at AFB Bloemspruit near Bloemfontein.
Dear su-47;sir
thanks a lot for your great input! i hope you will be doing same kind of good work!
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"DUDE" still you dont get to the my point?
btw its your wish list, not mine ! AH-1F ---> (if possible, they should be upgraded with Ah-1Z avionics)
most of "AH-1F" are old enough, to carry out more missions in thew comming future, IS that right, we keep spending our money on old, birds like "AH-1F" ?
F-16s become , a "holy cow" to pakistanis, who cant see any other , plateform,check out our enemy! which have a lot of different kind of mixed plateforms?
also, who said to you , i am saying to dump all "AH-1F" , what we have!
all i said , is we should start looking for some other plateforms like "AW129 Multi-Role Combat Helicopters", let me inform you that , surly it wont cost as you had thinked over, (12-13 million dollars ), plz stop thinking about that my! dear "DUDE", CHECK IT OUT frist, then open it ?
any how, comming US adminstration is thinking to attack pakistan, and "CANDY DUDES" like you , still keep thinking about the old days!
Wake up "CANDY DUDE", so in comming future, pakistan have to look forward, not only just "CHINESE PLATEFORMS" but other systems from countries like ITALY, slowly we have to shift our , reliance on USA!
for very reason , we have to get some "EUROPEAN" air combat systems, like
"AW129 "because, there would not be many options, once we getout of US burning train,from "EUROPE", ONLY ITALY OR FRANCE, could be our new main hitech , militry suppliers? MY DEAR "CANDY DUDE" HOPE YOU GET N THE POINT?
ok mr wanna be not "candy dude" delusional fan boy.
please take your advice to GHQ i am sure they will be enlightened by your reality check.
please. dont take your anti-US frustration out on these war machines. (and for the record i am not pro US as most of you may think neither i am so anti-US).
I have clearly stated above that Pak military is slowly shifting its military reliance to China and none US origin. other then France i cant think of any European country that would sell a single nail to PAK without the US approval.
i dont think its a good strategy to fallow enemy's footstep in knew jerk reactions! Indian defense budget is close to 25 billion dollars and masallah say pakistan ka only 4 billion dollars be nahe haa abb
.. P-3C
F-16 A/B
AH-1F
FFG-7
as for theses proquirements.... they are not suppose to be main front line war machines for the next decade or so! most of them are meant to be short term replacement, and front line.
remember one thing. F-16s come with the most deadly AMRAAMs AIM-120C5! i dont think J-11 can offer anything close to that yet.
F-16 MLU are perfect bust for Indian 120 Mirage-2000 and Mig-29 soon to be upgraded fleet! though these 15-20 million dollar MLUed can still challenge MKI and when backed by ERIEYE support MKI will have real hard time!
and lol.. one Longbow is worth at least 5-6 AH-1! i would and the PA would rather buy more AH-1 and MLU them rather risk all the limited budget. its a right move by PA to buy AH-1 and save some money for Chinese chopper.
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T-129 Turkiye...
Turkey announced on 30 March 2007 that it had decided to negotiate with AgustaWestland to purchase 51 (+40 optional) T129 helicopters. Based on the A129 International, they will be assembled in Turkey by TAI as the T129. The deal is reported to be worth $3 Billion. The final contract was signed on September 7, 2007.
On 22 June 2008, the agreement between TUSAS Aerospace Industries and AGUSTA formally entered into force. It has now been confirmed that the T129 will be a 100% Turkish built platform. TAI under the agreement will develop: an indegenous mission computer, avionics, weapons systems, self-protection suites and the helmet-mounting cuing systems. It has also been cofirmed that TUSAS Engine Industries Inc (TEI) will manufacture under licence the next generation LHTEC CTS800-4N Engines. This engine was developed by LHTEC for use in the now defunct U.S. Army's RAH-66 Comanche armed reconnaissance helicopter program. Under the agreement, Turkey has full marketing and intellectual property rights for the T129 platform. There are also no restrictions imposed on Turkey for the transfer of such platform to third countries (Excluding Italy and England).
The T129 has several key improvements over the original A129 in line with the requirements of the Turkish Army:
* The T129 will carry 12 Roketsan developed UMTAS anti-tank missiles (Turkish indigenous development similar to Hellfire II);
* More powerful LHTEC T800 (CTS800-4) engines have increased the maximum hovering altitude by 20%;
* Two launchers for Stinger AA missiles (a total of 4 can be carried) have been added to the exterior sides of the pylons;
* Mast radar, similar to that used in the Apache Longbow. The mast radar for TUC-1 will be based on IAI/ELTA's (Israel) surveillance and targeting radar with SAR and ISAR capability. The radar can identify land and sea targets from at least 30 kilometres. The Mast Radar for TUC-2 will be an indegenous development. On 16 July 2007, Tubitak (Turkish State Research Organization), METEKSAN Savunma Sanayii A.Ş and Bilkent University formed a consorsium for the development of an advanced millimetre wave radar, similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars. It is planned that the radar will enter service in mid-2009.
According to Savunma ve Havacılık (Defence and Aerospace) magazine, the 51 T-129 attack helicopters will be assigned as follows:
* One helicopter will be kept by the Turkish Ministry of Defense and will be used as a test-bed for systems development.
* The remaining 50 helicopters will be delivered to the Turkish Army. 40 more T-129 helicopters (optional) will be produced if necessary.
* The 50 T-129 helicopters will be in two different configurations, TUC-1 and TUC-2 (TUC: Turkish Configuration.)
The first 30 out of 50 will be TUC-1, while the following 20 will be TUC-2.
* T-129 TUC-1 (the first 30 units) will have:
o Indigenous mission computer
o Indigenous EW and countermeasures
o Aselsan AselFLIR-300
o Foreign helmet-mounted cueing system (either Elbit or Thales)
o Foreign missile (either Hellfire II or Spike ER)
* T-129 TUC-2 (the following 20 units) will have:
o Indigenous mission computer
o Indigenous EW and countermeasures
o Aselsan AselFLIR-300
o Aselsan AVCI helmet-mounted cueing system
o Roketsan UMTAS missile
o Indigenous MMW mast radar
o Cirit anti-armour and anti-personnel guided missile Roketsan
Turkey announced on 30 March 2007 that it had decided to negotiate with AgustaWestland to purchase 51 (+40 optional) T129 helicopters. Based on the A129 International, they will be assembled in Turkey by TAI as the T129. The deal is reported to be worth $3 Billion. The final contract was signed on September 7, 2007.
On 22 June 2008, the agreement between TUSAS Aerospace Industries and AGUSTA formally entered into force. It has now been confirmed that the T129 will be a 100% Turkish built platform. TAI under the agreement will develop: an indegenous mission computer, avionics, weapons systems, self-protection suites and the helmet-mounting cuing systems. It has also been cofirmed that TUSAS Engine Industries Inc (TEI) will manufacture under licence the next generation LHTEC CTS800-4N Engines. This engine was developed by LHTEC for use in the now defunct U.S. Army's RAH-66 Comanche armed reconnaissance helicopter program. Under the agreement, Turkey has full marketing and intellectual property rights for the T129 platform. There are also no restrictions imposed on Turkey for the transfer of such platform to third countries (Excluding Italy and England).
The T129 has several key improvements over the original A129 in line with the requirements of the Turkish Army:
* The T129 will carry 12 Roketsan developed UMTAS anti-tank missiles (Turkish indigenous development similar to Hellfire II);
* More powerful LHTEC T800 (CTS800-4) engines have increased the maximum hovering altitude by 20%;
* Two launchers for Stinger AA missiles (a total of 4 can be carried) have been added to the exterior sides of the pylons;
* Mast radar, similar to that used in the Apache Longbow. The mast radar for TUC-1 will be based on IAI/ELTA's (Israel) surveillance and targeting radar with SAR and ISAR capability. The radar can identify land and sea targets from at least 30 kilometres. The Mast Radar for TUC-2 will be an indegenous development. On 16 July 2007, Tubitak (Turkish State Research Organization), METEKSAN Savunma Sanayii A.Ş and Bilkent University formed a consorsium for the development of an advanced millimetre wave radar, similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars. It is planned that the radar will enter service in mid-2009.
According to Savunma ve Havacılık (Defence and Aerospace) magazine, the 51 T-129 attack helicopters will be assigned as follows:
* One helicopter will be kept by the Turkish Ministry of Defense and will be used as a test-bed for systems development.
* The remaining 50 helicopters will be delivered to the Turkish Army. 40 more T-129 helicopters (optional) will be produced if necessary.
* The 50 T-129 helicopters will be in two different configurations, TUC-1 and TUC-2 (TUC: Turkish Configuration.)
The first 30 out of 50 will be TUC-1, while the following 20 will be TUC-2.
* T-129 TUC-1 (the first 30 units) will have:
o Indigenous mission computer
o Indigenous EW and countermeasures
o Aselsan AselFLIR-300
o Foreign helmet-mounted cueing system (either Elbit or Thales)
o Foreign missile (either Hellfire II or Spike ER)
* T-129 TUC-2 (the following 20 units) will have:
o Indigenous mission computer
o Indigenous EW and countermeasures
o Aselsan AselFLIR-300
o Aselsan AVCI helmet-mounted cueing system
o Roketsan UMTAS missile
o Indigenous MMW mast radar
o Cirit anti-armour and anti-personnel guided missile Roketsan
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Tübitak mission computer systems...
Turkey has developed a new mission computer systems for T-129. You will clearly see at videos that the cockpit's all mechanical buttons and fire control equipments have digitized. Lots of missions including lock to target is controlling mission computer automatically. Mission computer has also lots of security levels to attack the targets safely. If you do not have proper angle condition against your target and it will be harmful for your helicopter, Mission computer do not give permission to fire....Cokpit has only 2 multi-fuction screen and its control panel. All of threats detect by Aselflir-300T and send to these screens....All possible threats is covered frames by computer and named according to their types. (car, tank, APC, SWP.....) and possible most proper threat priority is selected by computer again...Pilots only push the buttton to destroy.
Turkey has developed a new mission computer systems for T-129. You will clearly see at videos that the cockpit's all mechanical buttons and fire control equipments have digitized. Lots of missions including lock to target is controlling mission computer automatically. Mission computer has also lots of security levels to attack the targets safely. If you do not have proper angle condition against your target and it will be harmful for your helicopter, Mission computer do not give permission to fire....Cokpit has only 2 multi-fuction screen and its control panel. All of threats detect by Aselflir-300T and send to these screens....All possible threats is covered frames by computer and named according to their types. (car, tank, APC, SWP.....) and possible most proper threat priority is selected by computer again...Pilots only push the buttton to destroy.
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Tübitak mission computer system has tested at a Turkish AH-1 testbed helicopter in sereflikoçhisar exercise area. At this phrase, AH-1S has launched a Spike missile to a target with these mission computer - new developed cockpit..
Results is with you....
New cockpit....
Results is with you....
New cockpit....
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Lock and Fire...
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WoW,, looks like a great machine,,
pakistan is also going for an attack helicopter and i think it is a better option than the cobras or even apaches as getting them from americans will be quite messed up because of various delay due to some unknown reasons like in case of F16z!!
any news on pakistan buying some helicopters,,, which are they????
pakistan is also going for an attack helicopter and i think it is a better option than the cobras or even apaches as getting them from americans will be quite messed up because of various delay due to some unknown reasons like in case of F16z!!
any news on pakistan buying some helicopters,,, which are they????
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ok secend option is this one its look like cobra
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Broes, Development phrase of some critical equipments of T-129 are being continued by Turkish defence industries. The first flight date must be in 2012. Avci (Hunter) helmet mounted targeting system and MMW radar development work are being carried on by ASelsan. Missiles are also developed by Roketsan...
Now a days, The marketing work has been started by Turkish authorities. SSM authorities has reported to some Turkish defence magazines that Turkey has started to talk about possible export with Malaysia, Pakistan, Jordan, Omman...
The History of Turkish Attack helicopter Tender...
The Turkish Army selected the AH-1Z King Cobra in July 2000 with a request for 50 out of a total requirement for 145 helicopters. In May 2004, it was announced that the acquisition was to be cancelled. The helicopters were to be built in Turkey by Tusas Aerospace Industries (TAI). The reason of cancellation is the American restrictions, limited technology transfer, limited usage with their avionics and softwares, limited technological equipments.....If you see a tender like this style, You can easily say that this one is a muslim country's tender with Americans.....Lots of restrictions and limited usages..Do not use them South-east part of Turkey, Do not use them against PKK terorists, Do not use them in Cyprus....bla bla...Fqcking B..terds
so I certainly against that A Turkish tender goes to USA. Now, USA does not already enter to Turkish tenders because of new Turkish tender rules that has changed by Vecdi Gönül in 2002-2003....USA has tried to make pressure about this new tender rules but we must do it to discipline the USA..Now a days, If we want to buy something from USA, It must be a direct sale agreement with USA without tender....
Regards...
Now a days, The marketing work has been started by Turkish authorities. SSM authorities has reported to some Turkish defence magazines that Turkey has started to talk about possible export with Malaysia, Pakistan, Jordan, Omman...
The History of Turkish Attack helicopter Tender...
The Turkish Army selected the AH-1Z King Cobra in July 2000 with a request for 50 out of a total requirement for 145 helicopters. In May 2004, it was announced that the acquisition was to be cancelled. The helicopters were to be built in Turkey by Tusas Aerospace Industries (TAI). The reason of cancellation is the American restrictions, limited technology transfer, limited usage with their avionics and softwares, limited technological equipments.....If you see a tender like this style, You can easily say that this one is a muslim country's tender with Americans.....Lots of restrictions and limited usages..Do not use them South-east part of Turkey, Do not use them against PKK terorists, Do not use them in Cyprus....bla bla...Fqcking B..terds
so I certainly against that A Turkish tender goes to USA. Now, USA does not already enter to Turkish tenders because of new Turkish tender rules that has changed by Vecdi Gönül in 2002-2003....USA has tried to make pressure about this new tender rules but we must do it to discipline the USA..Now a days, If we want to buy something from USA, It must be a direct sale agreement with USA without tender....
Regards...
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hey buddy nice input.
btw tell me how much could PAK get from Turkey to upgrade its AH-1 fleet. how advance are your AH-1F fleet?
nice heli btw. is it carrying ATM or basic TOW missiles?
do you think PAK AH-1 could be fitted with smart rockets that turkey is making?
hey buddy nice input.
btw tell me how much could PAK get from Turkey to upgrade its AH-1 fleet. how advance are your AH-1F fleet?
nice heli btw. is it carrying ATM or basic TOW missiles?
do you think PAK AH-1 could be fitted with smart rockets that turkey is making?
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"btw tell me how much could PAK get from Turkey to upgrade its AH-1 fleet. how advance are your AH-1F fleet?
nice heli btw. is it carrying ATM or basic TOW missiles?
do you think PAK AH-1 could be fitted with smart rockets that turkey is making? "
Bro, First of all I must say that new developed mission computer's all software rights belog to Turkey. Turkish engineering has writted lots of mission codes for it so it has a open source arthitecture to integrate different systems and missiles. Turkey is developing Umtas anti-tank missiles that will be main missile of T-129 but Turkey has launched a Spike ATM with new developed mission computer because of not finished development phrase of UMTAS. It means If you have source codes of a system, You can easily integrate whatever you want to systems so Turkey has integrate easily every missiles and systems without any permission to another country in a short time..
I do not know more information about Pakistan helo tender but I know that Turkey is talking about possible agreement to sell some T-129.
But, If Pakistan is planning to upgrade som AH-1 atach helo, Turkey can be most proper main contactor for Pak. If you take permission from USA about integrating missiles with new softwares, Firstly, It will be really great success for your AH's..After that Pak-Turk co-operation can solve every problem about technology whatever Pak want...New missiles, new source codes that belong to Pakistani authorities....
nice heli btw. is it carrying ATM or basic TOW missiles?
do you think PAK AH-1 could be fitted with smart rockets that turkey is making? "
Bro, First of all I must say that new developed mission computer's all software rights belog to Turkey. Turkish engineering has writted lots of mission codes for it so it has a open source arthitecture to integrate different systems and missiles. Turkey is developing Umtas anti-tank missiles that will be main missile of T-129 but Turkey has launched a Spike ATM with new developed mission computer because of not finished development phrase of UMTAS. It means If you have source codes of a system, You can easily integrate whatever you want to systems so Turkey has integrate easily every missiles and systems without any permission to another country in a short time..
I do not know more information about Pakistan helo tender but I know that Turkey is talking about possible agreement to sell some T-129.
But, If Pakistan is planning to upgrade som AH-1 atach helo, Turkey can be most proper main contactor for Pak. If you take permission from USA about integrating missiles with new softwares, Firstly, It will be really great success for your AH's..After that Pak-Turk co-operation can solve every problem about technology whatever Pak want...New missiles, new source codes that belong to Pakistani authorities....
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Turkey has upgraded our AH-1W fleet with new avionics, software and EH systems that developed by Aselsan in 2003. Now a days Turkey is developing more advanced technology in helicopter area so I think, New modernisation style will be more advanced from 2003...Turkish upgraded AH-1Ws are able to launch TOW, Hellfire, SPike Anti-Tank missiles with its available mission computer....The last developed mssion computer are able to lauch Spike, Tow, Hellfire, Umtas, New generation anti-armour guided missile Cirit, A-A Stingers....but as I said, If costumer want different configuration, Every probability can create accorting to costumers need. Pak Cobras are able to get this improvement....
Now a days, The world industries are trying to develop 70mm guided missiles...USA has developed a product that named DAGR....Turkey has also developed a similar guided 70mm missile that named Cirit...At first test Lauch, Cirit has hit the target with a range from 6 km and penetrated 250mm armour at that range... Israel also planning to develop one similar system...There is no adversary in World..Turkey also has these capability. In next, Main low calibre missiles of new generation attack helicopters will be 70mm guided missiles.....so I think Pak army has also earn this capability quickly....
Now a days, The world industries are trying to develop 70mm guided missiles...USA has developed a product that named DAGR....Turkey has also developed a similar guided 70mm missile that named Cirit...At first test Lauch, Cirit has hit the target with a range from 6 km and penetrated 250mm armour at that range... Israel also planning to develop one similar system...There is no adversary in World..Turkey also has these capability. In next, Main low calibre missiles of new generation attack helicopters will be 70mm guided missiles.....so I think Pak army has also earn this capability quickly....
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